Olympic Doping Accusations; A Poll! (Page 3)

OK, she also had pretty much the same split in the last 100 as Schmitt did when winning the 200 Free (58.68 for Shiwen, 58.23 for Schmitt). If that makes sense to you, then we will need to agree to disagree.

Quoted from else where

-Missy Franklin's times...

March 5, 2011: 2:07.96 for 200 back (her PB at the time)
July 2011: 2:05.10 for 200 back

That's 2.86 seconds of improvement in just 4 months.

If we want to go from A-meet to A-meet (i.e. full taper to full taper), :
Age 15, August 2010: 2:08.05

Age 16, July 2011: 2:05.10 (world champion)

-Between 2.95 and 4.64 (depending on how you want to measure) seconds off in a 200m event in just a year. Extremely --suspicious, according to the standards that are being applied to Ye Shiwen. Note that I'm not sayingFranklin is doping, -but you can apply the same arguments to all-american superstars, but nobody is doing that.

Then again like TJ has pointed out the Chinese has had the most swimmers with a positive test.  Which I find odd since you would think that they are better at hiding it if it's a state run system,  usually the athlete's are ahead of the testers.

Hey, that's my quote!  I'm famous!

Rebecca Adlington actually finished her 800m free swim at world champs last year faster than Shiwen finished her 400IM (28.91 vs 28.93).  I can't seem to find any coaches questioning whether that was "too unbelievable" though...  Seems more unbelievable however - to have that kind of speed after 750m of the same stroke is more difficult than to have it after 350m of a variety of strokes.

Here's an excellent blog post pointing out the double standard much better than I could, though also more inflammatorily than I would:
http://www.dermothunt.com/blog/?p=178 

This is off of memory, but a number of the busts were catching people in possession and actually tricking the Chinese. 1 in particular was the testers surprising the athletes in an airport during a layover (outside the country of China) and testing them right there in the airport. The Chinese got caught off guard and everyone tested positive.

Never failed a test? Try 500 to 600 times. Do you know how hard it would be to dope and a pass the test that many times. Just as hard as taking a test with the same questions over and over again when you had all of the answers to begin with.

lol. My point was that when you know ahead of time what the questions will be on a test, you can look up the answer before you take it. Making you take the test over and over will never prove you cheated, nor the fact that you always passed mean that you did not cheat. (Now that even confuses me).

As a chinese american, this thread makes me sad and angry at the same time. As rocky balboa would say, "there's stuff in the basement" for me to elaborate on it.

 Now that you mentioned it, I think you memory is pretty accurate, Since I thought I heard/read the same thing but just couldn't remember from where I read or heard it.   I remember since at the time I thought that they didn't test Olympic athletes out of competition since you couldn't be sure whom would be on the final team.  But I do agree with you and ?? that the Chinese system has been plagued with doping scandals and positive tests.

I do have a Question if she person in question was doping why is she so far off in the other strokes,  Is it really her form that holding her back??   just curious since you would probably have a great answer with your swim background.

X1000 having had some personal experience with China in the business world, cheating is not only accepted, it is encouraged and protected by the government.

That being said, I will be surprised if anyone can proves she dopes.

Swimming has specialties as well. For the casual follower, they see lochte or phelps and see them good at lots of strokes, and lots of distances. This is really pretty rare. Good IM'ers usually compete in other events because they have to be good at all the strokes. But most have a narrow focus. Look at great athletes historically and you see people like Biondi was good at 50, 100, and 200 free, a little fly and that's it. IMer Summer Sanders didn't do much beyond the IM. Tom Dolan had a good IM and 400 free but not much else. So for this girl in question or anyone else to be strong in other events like Phelps and Lochte are is really a special talent. It would be like Usain Bolt (sp?) being strong in the 800 and the steeplechase too. Truly a rare breed.

They had a discussion about Phelp's feat the other night and mentioned that it may never be broken. BUT, if it is broken, it would have to be a swimmer, and I would argue, have to be an IM'er. Mathematically speaking it would be tough in any other scenario. Not only because you have to be good enough to medal or win 8 events (and your sport has to offer that many events), but you also have to have the timing of those events workout right. Phelps had to be strategic in his choice of events in Beijing because he couldn't have 3 on the same day or even 2 really tough events too close together (look what happened to Lochte yesterday). Plus he had to be on all the relays. I don't know that there's any other combo that would even work. But, like everything else, I could be wrong.

Anyone see the women's 800m final?

I agree with Fred's post.  If you're suspicious strictly becaus a swimmer is from a country with a bad reputation, then that's fine.  I have my own prejudices too, and there is nothing wrong with that IMO.  I just thought it was interesting that some people (not all) were trying to justify their doubts of Ye based on her swim times improving.  And I'm wondering if those same people will have the same doubts of the womens 800m final winner.