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2012-08-09 5:51 PM
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Total class act.  Hooray  Hunter Mountain HITS!!!  

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2012-08-09 7:37 PM
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2012-08-09 7:45 PM
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I know there is always pollution we deal with swimming in open waters.  However, everyday pollution and swimming in known sewage are entirely different.  At least in my opinion.  
2012-08-10 5:41 AM
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Tom Demerly. - 2012-08-09 5:00 PM

My ultimate point is; the expectation that waterways around one of the largest cities on earth is clean is unrealistic. I would like it to be clean, but the reality is that it is not clean. That's what we're dealing with. Therefore, the participant- being an intelligent person- makes a decision: do I want to swim in an urban waterway near a major population center or would I limit my individual event participation to waterways that are likely less contaminated?

I guess I am flumoxed by the expectation that the water surrounding Manhattan and New York City is somehow clean. How could it be?



I'm one of those doing IM NYC tomorrow. I don't think anyone has or had the expectation that the Hudson River near New York City is a pristine body of water - we all knew what we were signing up for. But the release of large quantities of sewage into the river right before the race isn't "normal" water quality, even for an urban body of water. The health and safety of participants DOES need to be considered - this isn't a case of "suck it up, all water is dirty, live with it" - something like this could have serious health consequences for participants, and I'm a little disturbed by your flippant dismissal of legitimate health concerns. As more information is coming out, it's sounding promising that the release might not affect the part of the river where the swim will take place. The organizers are monitoring the situation and will be checking water quality, and assuming the water is deemed safe for swimming, I will be in that river swimming tomorrow - knowing full well it isn't the cleanest body of water on the face of the earth. But if contamination is found to exceed safe levels, then I support cancellation of the swim 100%. This is a hobby - it's not worth risking my health for the sake of the swim. I'll be disappointed if the swim is cancelled, but I'll deal with it, and do whatever version of the race they present.

2012-08-10 8:05 AM
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jsnowash - 2012-08-10 5:41 AM
Tom Demerly. - 2012-08-09 5:00 PM My ultimate point is; the expectation that waterways around one of the largest cities on earth is clean is unrealistic. I would like it to be clean, but the reality is that it is not clean. That's what we're dealing with. Therefore, the participant- being an intelligent person- makes a decision: do I want to swim in an urban waterway near a major population center or would I limit my individual event participation to waterways that are likely less contaminated?

I guess I am flumoxed by the expectation that the water surrounding Manhattan and New York City is somehow clean. How could it be?

I'm one of those doing IM NYC tomorrow. I don't think anyone has or had the expectation that the Hudson River near New York City is a pristine body of water - we all knew what we were signing up for. But the release of large quantities of sewage into the river right before the race isn't "normal" water quality, even for an urban body of water. The health and safety of participants DOES need to be considered - this isn't a case of "suck it up, all water is dirty, live with it" - something like this could have serious health consequences for participants, and I'm a little disturbed by your flippant dismissal of legitimate health concerns. As more information is coming out, it's sounding promising that the release might not affect the part of the river where the swim will take place. The organizers are monitoring the situation and will be checking water quality, and assuming the water is deemed safe for swimming, I will be in that river swimming tomorrow - knowing full well it isn't the cleanest body of water on the face of the earth. But if contamination is found to exceed safe levels, then I support cancellation of the swim 100%. This is a hobby - it's not worth risking my health for the sake of the swim. I'll be disappointed if the swim is cancelled, but I'll deal with it, and do whatever version of the race they present.

 

Very well said, and that was my point in calling out Tom in the first place. There is a reason they do water quality tests! I thought his answer was very dismissive of a potentially dangerous situation. As you said this is a hobby for most of us, and I don't believe most of us would want to swim in water that just had sewage dumped into it.

 

I'm getting off my soap box now. I hope the water tests to a safe level and everybody gets to do the race they have trained for. Good luck to everybody!

2012-08-10 5:07 PM
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The swim is on. I will do my best not to eat any floating corn while I swim.....but I do love corn.


2012-08-10 5:49 PM
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papson14 - 2012-08-10 6:07 PM The swim is on. I will do my best not to eat any floating corn while I swim.....but I do love corn.

OK then......

I'll think of you all while I swim in a lake tomorrow, AKA duck toilet.

2012-08-10 8:32 PM
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It's moot because the race is on, I guess, but the decision of whether to hold the swim or not isn't up to the RD in this case. For every race in the Hudson, both tri's and OWS, the RD's liability insurance underwriter sets very strict guidelines about the water quality and dictates when and where the water is tested before the race. If the water doesn't test at the levels set by the underwriter, they won't grant liability insurance to the RD. No insurance, no race.

In any case, I've done the NYC Tri 3 times and a few other OWS races in the Hudson. I haven't had any ill effects and I don't know anyone who has. Not saying it hasn't happened, but statistically, you're more likely to crash your bike or get a bad sunburn than e coli.
2012-08-10 8:52 PM
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Good luck everyone racing!

2012-08-11 9:52 AM
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Did they shorten the swim?? I'm tracking a friend and it has his swim as 1.2 miles.
2012-08-11 3:05 PM
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runk8run - 2012-08-11 10:52 AM Did they shorten the swim?? I'm tracking a friend and it has his swim as 1.2 miles.

I am seeing 2.4 on my tracking and the race talk seems to show the same.  The swim is showing FAST FAST though.  Good current.



2012-08-11 3:21 PM
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The first pros weren't into T1 until 40-45min or so after the start, so no way was it only 1.2.
2012-08-11 6:03 PM
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Sure hope there's no connection to sewage issue-

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-11/male-competitor-dies-in-new-york-city-ironman-triathlon

2012-08-11 6:07 PM
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Seems unlikely. 2500 people raced in the same water. Correlation doesnt equal causation.
2012-08-11 6:26 PM
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kalalau - 2012-08-11 4:05 PM

runk8run - 2012-08-11 10:52 AM Did they shorten the swim?? I'm tracking a friend and it has his swim as 1.2 miles.

I am seeing 2.4 on my tracking and the race talk seems to show the same.  The swim is showing FAST FAST though.  Good current.

They adjusted it. It now says 2.4 miles, same time. I went from "Wow, he swims about the same speed that I do" to "HOLY CRAP THAT'S FAST!" Time to work on my swim.

2012-08-11 6:49 PM
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runk8run - 2012-08-11 4:26 PM
kalalau - 2012-08-11 4:05 PM

runk8run - 2012-08-11 10:52 AM Did they shorten the swim?? I'm tracking a friend and it has his swim as 1.2 miles.

I am seeing 2.4 on my tracking and the race talk seems to show the same.  The swim is showing FAST FAST though.  Good current.

They adjusted it. It now says 2.4 miles, same time. I went from "Wow, he swims about the same speed that I do" to "HOLY CRAP THAT'S FAST!" Time to work on my swim.

Current was huge - top pro swim time was 39 something.



2012-08-11 7:07 PM
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Oldteen - 2012-08-11 7:03 PM

Sure hope there's no connection to sewage issue-

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-11/male-competitor-dies-in-new-york-city-ironman-triathlon

I'm not an expert but from what I know, issues with sewage happen later and wouldn't be an issue during the swim itself.  Plus, swim deaths in an IM aren't too surprising.  When deaths occur, they do seem to happen in the swim a lot.  There's a lot going on, people are hyped up, and they may even be panicking.



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