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2012-11-30 4:53 PM
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mr2tony - 2012-11-30 2:37 PM

Tripolar - 2012-11-30 4:31 PM

I have no idea who'd win, but I have a pretty good idea of who'd be the first to lose...

Washington D.C.

(Although Illinois might be close in line. They have Chicago, after all, and as a lifelong Cubs and Bears fan, I can assure you they would find some way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!)


Yeah I'm defecting back to Nebraska. At least we have ... we have ... we have ... OK well nevermind. I'm going to Canada.


But aren't you safely away in the UK?

Actually, come to think of it, if all the States start warring, wouldn't it make sense for a foreign country to try an invasion? China might think it's too good to pass up!


2012-11-30 5:22 PM
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Well the guard unit just become the armies of the independent states and the active troops just feed into them.

Yeah, invasion is possible. But since Washington, Hawaii, and California all have more naval power than China, they may not make it across the ocean.
2012-11-30 5:33 PM
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Being from Hawaii, if we had access to current military resources...army, navy, air force, nuclear subs, aircraft carrier, anti missle defense, F-15s, etc...I'd think we do okay.  There's no way we could actually conquer the entire mainland US, but I'm pretty sure we would be one of the last states that someone would want to pick on.  The problem is that we are 80% dependant on imported goods...including oil.  So we would need to form allies.

2012-11-30 5:42 PM
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tri808 - 2012-11-30 5:33 PM

Being from Hawaii, if we had access to current military resources...army, navy, air force, nuclear subs, aircraft carrier, anti missle defense, F-15s, etc...I'd think we do okay.  There's no way we could actually conquer the entire mainland US, but I'm pretty sure we would be one of the last states that someone would want to pick on.  The problem is that we are 80% dependant on imported goods...including oil.  So we would need to form allies.



Two words: Poi.

That sh*t will sustain your population for years.
2012-11-30 5:49 PM
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tri808 - 2012-11-30 3:33 PM

Being from Hawaii, if we had access to current military resources...army, navy, air force, nuclear subs, aircraft carrier, anti missle defense, F-15s, etc...I'd think we do okay.  There's no way we could actually conquer the entire mainland US, but I'm pretty sure we would be one of the last states that someone would want to pick on.  The problem is that we are 80% dependant on imported goods...including oil.  So we would need to form allies.



Don't forget SPAM!! You'd need to set up alliances with the states that have Hormel plants to keep importing that life-sustaining, salty concoction...
2012-11-30 5:52 PM
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tri808 - 2012-11-30 3:33 PM

Being from Hawaii, if we had access to current military resources...army, navy, air force, nuclear subs, aircraft carrier, anti missle defense, F-15s, etc...I'd think we do okay.  There's no way we could actually conquer the entire mainland US, but I'm pretty sure we would be one of the last states that someone would want to pick on.  The problem is that we are 80% dependant on imported goods...including oil.  So we would need to form allies.

When I shipped my bike to HI this year for the 70.3 it was about 30% less to ship it back. I double checked and they had the same dimensions & weight both ways. After I got back I looked on FedX and it is less expensive to ship things from HI than it is to send them.

If the unified states collapsed it would be interesting to see what other nations may attempt, HI would certainly be in play if that was the case. If they have a carrier anywhere around that would be a pretty hard to beat.



2012-11-30 7:41 PM
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crusevegas - 2012-11-30 6:52 PM
tri808 - 2012-11-30 3:33 PM

Being from Hawaii, if we had access to current military resources...army, navy, air force, nuclear subs, aircraft carrier, anti missle defense, F-15s, etc...I'd think we do okay.  There's no way we could actually conquer the entire mainland US, but I'm pretty sure we would be one of the last states that someone would want to pick on.  The problem is that we are 80% dependant on imported goods...including oil.  So we would need to form allies.

When I shipped my bike to HI this year for the 70.3 it was about 30% less to ship it back. I double checked and they had the same dimensions & weight both ways. After I got back I looked on FedX and it is less expensive to ship things from HI than it is to send them.

If the unified states collapsed it would be interesting to see what other nations may attempt, HI would certainly be in play if that was the case. If they have a carrier anywhere around that would be a pretty hard to beat.

Trouble is that they have nobody to drive the carrier.... It's not like they can just train up 4000 people in a week. CA would probably capture the ship for themselves...

2012-11-30 7:57 PM
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GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 5:41 PM
crusevegas - 2012-11-30 6:52 PM
tri808 - 2012-11-30 3:33 PM

Being from Hawaii, if we had access to current military resources...army, navy, air force, nuclear subs, aircraft carrier, anti missle defense, F-15s, etc...I'd think we do okay.  There's no way we could actually conquer the entire mainland US, but I'm pretty sure we would be one of the last states that someone would want to pick on.  The problem is that we are 80% dependant on imported goods...including oil.  So we would need to form allies.

When I shipped my bike to HI this year for the 70.3 it was about 30% less to ship it back. I double checked and they had the same dimensions & weight both ways. After I got back I looked on FedX and it is less expensive to ship things from HI than it is to send them.

If the unified states collapsed it would be interesting to see what other nations may attempt, HI would certainly be in play if that was the case. If they have a carrier anywhere around that would be a pretty hard to beat.

Trouble is that they have nobody to drive the carrier.... It's not like they can just train up 4000 people in a week. CA would probably capture the ship for themselves...

I disagree on this, if I was the Capt. of the carrier I think I would pick HI as the state to defend,,,,, but then I love that place. I don't think I'd have much trouble convincing most of the crew it's a great place to live either.

 

ETA,,, combine this with my TX, NM, AZ, NV and taking over So Cal we have a refueling base in San Diego plus the Teams would surely want to part of this group. Leave in Hawaii woohoo!!



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2012-11-30 8:07 PM
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You should consider what the Police will do in a civil war.  Almost every officer in every big city in the country is now issued an AR-15.  Most department have multiple armored vehicles, helicopters, airplanes, not to mention body armor,  hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo, etc.  By sheer numbers and equipment, the departments in the NE part of the U.S are MUCH better equipped than departments of other states.  Just saying.
2012-11-30 8:31 PM
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GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 3:41 PM
crusevegas - 2012-11-30 6:52 PM
tri808 - 2012-11-30 3:33 PM

Being from Hawaii, if we had access to current military resources...army, navy, air force, nuclear subs, aircraft carrier, anti missle defense, F-15s, etc...I'd think we do okay.  There's no way we could actually conquer the entire mainland US, but I'm pretty sure we would be one of the last states that someone would want to pick on.  The problem is that we are 80% dependant on imported goods...including oil.  So we would need to form allies.

When I shipped my bike to HI this year for the 70.3 it was about 30% less to ship it back. I double checked and they had the same dimensions & weight both ways. After I got back I looked on FedX and it is less expensive to ship things from HI than it is to send them.

If the unified states collapsed it would be interesting to see what other nations may attempt, HI would certainly be in play if that was the case. If they have a carrier anywhere around that would be a pretty hard to beat.

Trouble is that they have nobody to drive the carrier.... It's not like they can just train up 4000 people in a week. CA would probably capture the ship for themselves...

Again...assuming the carrier is actuall at Pearl Harbor when the civil war starts...well, the carrier staff is already here, as well as their replacement crew.  We also already have thousands of enlisted navy, air force, marines, army, and national guard stationed here or living here. Over 95% of the active military stationed in Hawaii are not actually from Hawaii, so if their allegences go back to their home state...then yeah...Hawaii is fooked as far as protecting itself.  We don't have nearly as much guns or ammo here (among the general public) as the rest of the US. 

I'm not so worried about our spam supplies...I could do without that.  I'd be more concerned where we're going to get rice from.



Edited by tri808 2012-11-30 8:35 PM
2012-11-30 11:19 PM
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The original article itself is off on too many levels to be taken seriously.  If Dallas and Oklahoma City get nuked or either one does a city like Ardmore would not exist, think blast radius.  Unless, of course, one of the new districts has nuclear scientists who can reconfigure a nuclear weapon to be a tactical nuke.  

Also, California would have the greatest armed force (even excluding the mass migrations to home states) which would allow them to hold the Panama canal (San Diego naval base), subsequently blockading any states reliant on imports through the Carribean.  TX  cannot provide enough food for it's own population, and once their supply of oil is cut off (excluding internal production) they will quickly come to a standstill.  Additionally TX would be everyones main target simply because they would be the biggest threat to individual state autonomy.  

CA would be left alone because they will initially have the largest military force with the best supply of natural resources at their disposal.  Fortunately for everyone involved CA would self destruct within 5 years.

In the meantime, Wisconsonites would not even notice there was a civil war and continue as we always have.  Nod, smile and go back to ignoring everyone.  IMWI would still sell out, the Madison population would still find something to protest, we would still have Harleys, Briggs & Stratton lawn mowers and snowblowers and most importantly our thousands of micro breweries.  AND after the fictitious EMP wipes out the electrical grid in the US we will still be able to farm; half our population is Amish. AND most importantly we have nothing anyone wants. 



Edited by melle 2012-11-30 11:21 PM


2012-12-01 2:51 PM
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I see no one piping up for The Battleborn State of Nevada. So called because it was granted Statehood to help the union pay for the first civil war. While we lack in food production, we have plenty of ammo (arguably the largest ammo depot in the world is in Hawethorne!), Air Force bases, a well armed populace, at least north of Clark County, and could easily gain control of Hoover damn. There is oil production, metal mining, cattle, and the Basin and Range topography would pose a sequence of obstacles for anyone attempting to cross east or west. The gold mined will be important as there will be no paper currency left.

The wild card (yes, a gambling analogy) is Area 51. If we decide to let the aliens loose, they would side with us out of Stockholm syndrome!


2012-12-01 6:07 PM
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I wouldn't bet on Nevada making it past round 1.
2012-12-01 7:38 PM
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You think anyone's gonna mess with Delaware?  Led by Joey B. himself??  I don't think so.  

2012-12-01 7:41 PM
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Hoover dam is the biggest most obvious, but Nor Cal gets most of it's power from hydro in Washington and Idaho... and even Canada. California has a lot going for it, but ift would have to have the other sates in the West to power it or to get power through... So the Rockies would be a geographical dividing line for power and water to the West. California has the food and the oil.

 

From a general armament point of view... Camp Pendleton, 29 Palms, San Diego Naval, Miramar MCAS, Edwards AFB....

 

Plus, can you imagine the civilian weapons armament if the Bloods, Crips, Mexican Mafia, MS-13, Nortenos, Aryan Brotherhood, and Nazi Low Riders truced long enough to fight a common enemy?

They have virtually no ammo.....so who cares?

2012-12-01 7:58 PM
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Left Brain - 2012-12-01 7:41 PM
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powerman - 2012-11-30 10:24 AM

Hoover dam is the biggest most obvious, but Nor Cal gets most of it's power from hydro in Washington and Idaho... and even Canada. California has a lot going for it, but ift would have to have the other sates in the West to power it or to get power through... So the Rockies would be a geographical dividing line for power and water to the West. California has the food and the oil.

 

From a general armament point of view... Camp Pendleton, 29 Palms, San Diego Naval, Miramar MCAS, Edwards AFB....

 

Plus, can you imagine the civilian weapons armament if the Bloods, Crips, Mexican Mafia, MS-13, Nortenos, Aryan Brotherhood, and Nazi Low Riders truced long enough to fight a common enemy?

They have virtually no ammo.....so who cares?

Again - back to Nevada being a kingpin with our public and private repositories of ammo and gold.Nevada would not necessarily be in it for domination of other territories, , but for a combination of isolationism, commercial gain, and self preservation. We would be willing to offer up Vegas as some sort of commercial hub. Kind of like a farengi outpost.


2012-12-02 2:46 PM
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Jersey wins out.  Fist pumpin' like a champ.
2012-12-02 2:52 PM
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North Carolina

Pope AFB

Seymour Johnson AFB

Fort Bragg

Air Station Elizabeth City

Camp Lejeune Marine base

Cherry Point Marine base

New River Marine base

 

2012-12-02 8:18 PM
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jgaither - 2012-12-02 12:46 PM Jersey wins out.  Fist pumpin' like a champ.

Aren't they still trying to recovery from a little windstorm?

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