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2012-11-30 7:37 AM |
Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: Second US Civil War This was on Slate and I figured we could get some interesting discussion on COJ now that the election is over. The article is the question "If every state in the US declared war against the others, who would win." The response in the article is both a demonstration of great imagination and what happens when Marines have too much time to think. http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/quora/2012/11/27/civil_war_who_would_... Hope the website comes out ok. |
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2012-11-30 9:26 AM in reply to: #4515987 |
Expert 1146 Johns Creek, Georgia | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War California can't manage their boarders now, why would that change. Plus any invasion would cause California to throw money at them as the immediate and long term fix. Of course the 9th Circuit Court would call it legal then illegal then legal then illegal, regardless of what their residents voted on. My money would be on Texas. |
2012-11-30 9:34 AM in reply to: #4516191 |
Pro 4313 McKinney, TX | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AM My money would be on Texas. I don't know you....but I love you. Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states. What now?!?! Bring it on y'all |
2012-11-30 9:39 AM in reply to: #4515987 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line. They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado. A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat. |
2012-11-30 9:42 AM in reply to: #4516211 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 9:34 AM hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AM My money would be on Texas. I don't know you....but I love you. Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states. What now?!?! Bring it on y'all From a strategic point of view, invading Texas wouldn't be a challenge. The only thing it has going for it is its size. Colorado, now that would be a hard state to take. The sheer amount of mountain warfare folks you'd need to take it would be hard to come by. I assume the original Red Dawn was filmed there, which is proof that guerrilla warfare in the mountains could be effective. Especially with Patrick Swayze leading the resistance. |
2012-11-30 9:49 AM in reply to: #4516223 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War kevin_trapp - 2012-11-30 7:39 AM Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line. They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado. A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat. I'd go with Alaska for the same reasons you give for CO, but add that their borders are pretty safe -- who the heck would WANT to go there? |
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2012-11-30 9:51 AM in reply to: #4515987 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War I didn't read the whole thing, but my money's on Texas winning. I do question their logic about places like New York being positioned to sustain themselves. As a state they may have good resources, but due to the huge populations they have to rely on imports for most of their food and gas. They'd dry up in a matter of days if they were truly cut off from the rest of the US. I do wonder sometimes where we are heading as a country and what will ultimately happen. Most people think that the US could never split up, but we are becoming more and more divided every year, ideologically speaking. If we keep growing further and further apart something is going to break at some point and I don't know what that means or looks like. I always joke that if there's an ideological civil war the Republicans will obviously win because they're the ones with all the guns. |
2012-11-30 9:52 AM in reply to: #4515987 |
Expert 839 Central Mass | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War Except in AK you could go all sneaky and cross the ice to get there. I'd vote Hawaii. But everyone would be too busy surfing and enjoying themselves to worry when someone shows up to invade. |
2012-11-30 9:59 AM in reply to: #4516229 |
Expert 1146 Johns Creek, Georgia | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War Yes but Colorado by sheer population ratio would thin out quickly. Plus they smoke pot there right? They will smoke and eat themselves into surrender. Frankly it would not work as the analysis went. Most would side with other larger bans of advancing teams or either be slaughtered or enslaved. Colorado is land locked and has threats on all boarders. Having a shipping port is crucial. Those states with ground, air, and naval superiority will thrive. Simply put look at the election chart again, those states red and blue would most likely form unions faster. Frankly I joke about California but they would put up a fight due to the fact they have several military bases. On the other hand they have UC Berkley. NY, as a power in wartime, now that makes me laugh. One word - GRIDLOCK. A state that could come out of nowhere, Idaho, yes, that little state may offer some susprises and movement for untrained armies in winter vs the might would prove intresting. Still, Texas. One variable was missing from the analysis, "heart". SHTF, my azz is humping it as far away from Atlanta as posible becuase when it goes down most will riot and loot internally, especially in larger cities, head to the country and Texas has a lot of it. Edited by hrliles 2012-11-30 10:00 AM |
2012-11-30 10:04 AM in reply to: #4516223 |
Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War kevin_trapp - 2012-11-30 10:39 AM Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line. They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado. A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat. Aren't you from Missouri? which has a higher obesity rate than TX? They use Lard to cook their Bacon in Missouri... |
2012-11-30 10:06 AM in reply to: #4516229 |
Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War mr2tony - 2012-11-30 10:42 AM Texas has 90 peaks over a mile high. It is also 700 miles across. You could invade the panhandle (the square part up top) but you'd have a hard time beyond that. Also, you'd have to get past Lubbock where they've been ready for this for a while...bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 9:34 AM From a strategic point of view, invading Texas wouldn't be a challenge. The only thing it has going for it is its size. Colorado, now that would be a hard state to take. The sheer amount of mountain warfare folks you'd need to take it would be hard to come by. I assume the original Red Dawn was filmed there, which is proof that guerrilla warfare in the mountains could be effective. Especially with Patrick Swayze leading the resistance.hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AMMy money would be on Texas. I don't know you....but I love you.Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states.What now?!?! Bring it on y'all |
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2012-11-30 10:08 AM in reply to: #4516285 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 10:04 AM kevin_trapp - 2012-11-30 10:39 AM Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line. They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado. A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat. Aren't you from Missouri? which has a higher obesity rate than TX? They use Lard to cook their Bacon in Missouri... You ever been to the back woods of the Ozarks? Those boys are down right mean. AND scary! |
2012-11-30 10:10 AM in reply to: #4516223 |
Master 1584 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War kevin_trapp - 2012-11-30 10:39 AM Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line. They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado. A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat. LOL - awesome |
2012-11-30 10:12 AM in reply to: #4516285 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 10:04 AM kevin_trapp - 2012-11-30 10:39 AM Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line. They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado. A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat. Aren't you from Missouri? which has a higher obesity rate than TX? They use Lard to cook their Bacon in Missouri... Which is why I'm not picking Missouri either, or any southeast state for that matter. But according to the CDC, Texas obesity is 30.4%, we Missourians are at a svelte 30.3%. Go MO! http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html |
2012-11-30 10:27 AM in reply to: #4516211 |
Subject: RE: Second US Civil War bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 7:34 AM hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AM My money would be on Texas. I don't know you....but I love you. Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states. What now?!?! Bring it on y'all My initial thoughts when I first read the OP was Texas. |
2012-11-30 10:38 AM in reply to: #4515987 |
Champion 17756 SoCal | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War I am thinking AK would have the best natural defense and could be cut off from the other states and still survive. I think TX will be just like the Cowboys and will have no defense. |
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2012-11-30 10:41 AM in reply to: #4515987 |
Master 1795 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War Why Florida Wins: 1) Would take a massive navy to make a strong charge. 2) Red neck panhandle first obstacle, Disney militia would hold central florida strong 3) If 1 and 2 happens, you have Miami to get past. I will take those odds. 4) Our heavy senior population would make great human shields 4) With over 100k in state prisons, we would release them all contingent on needing 100 confirmed kills to earn freedom. Problem solved. 5) Our gator and python population would take out thousands who try to get through the everglades. |
2012-11-30 10:49 AM in reply to: #4516356 |
Master 1584 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War cardenas1 - 2012-11-30 11:41 AM Why Florida Wins: 1) Would take a massive navy to make a strong charge. 2) Red neck panhandle first obstacle, Disney militia would hold central florida strong 3) If 1 and 2 happens, you have Miami to get past. I will take those odds. 4) Our heavy senior population would make great human shields 4) With over 100k in state prisons, we would release them all contingent on needing 100 confirmed kills to earn freedom. Problem solved. 5) Our gator and python population would take out thousands who try to get through the everglades. Plus, you'd have to assume Tebow would come back to the state to fight. And he's got a documented history of killing Georgia. |
2012-11-30 10:54 AM in reply to: #4515987 |
Master 1970 Somewhere on the Tennessee River | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War General Robert E. Lee was against Succession. But when it came to be that there would be war he said he had to side with his home state. Same here. |
2012-11-30 11:04 AM in reply to: #4516382 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War jcnipper - 2012-11-30 10:49 AM cardenas1 - 2012-11-30 11:41 AM Why Florida Wins: 1) Would take a massive navy to make a strong charge. 2) Red neck panhandle first obstacle, Disney militia would hold central florida strong 3) If 1 and 2 happens, you have Miami to get past. I will take those odds. 4) Our heavy senior population would make great human shields 4) With over 100k in state prisons, we would release them all contingent on needing 100 confirmed kills to earn freedom. Problem solved. 5) Our gator and python population would take out thousands who try to get through the everglades. Plus, you'd have to assume Tebow would come back to the state to fight. And he's got a documented history of killing Georgia. He's certainly not fighting for New York. |
2012-11-30 11:05 AM in reply to: #4516288 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 9:06 AM mr2tony - 2012-11-30 10:42 AM Texas has 90 peaks over a mile high. It is also 700 miles across. You could invade the panhandle (the square part up top) but you'd have a hard time beyond that. Also, you'd have to get past Lubbock where they've been ready for this for a while...bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 9:34 AM From a strategic point of view, invading Texas wouldn't be a challenge. The only thing it has going for it is its size. Colorado, now that would be a hard state to take. The sheer amount of mountain warfare folks you'd need to take it would be hard to come by. I assume the original Red Dawn was filmed there, which is proof that guerrilla warfare in the mountains could be effective. Especially with Patrick Swayze leading the resistance.hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AMMy money would be on Texas. I don't know you....but I love you.Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states.What now?!?! Bring it on y'allWow... A whole mile hu... that's impressive. I live above that on flat ground. Big question is.. who the heck wants the fine Republic of Texas? |
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2012-11-30 11:31 AM in reply to: #4516419 |
Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War mr2tony - 2012-11-30 12:04 PM jcnipper - 2012-11-30 10:49 AM He's certainly not fighting for New York. cardenas1 - 2012-11-30 11:41 AM Why Florida Wins: 1) Would take a massive navy to make a strong charge. 2) Red neck panhandle first obstacle, Disney militia would hold central florida strong 3) If 1 and 2 happens, you have Miami to get past. I will take those odds. 4) Our heavy senior population would make great human shields 4) With over 100k in state prisons, we would release them all contingent on needing 100 confirmed kills to earn freedom. Problem solved. 5) Our gator and python population would take out thousands who try to get through the everglades. Plus, you'd have to assume Tebow would come back to the state to fight. And he's got a documented history of killing Georgia. The article spoke to people going back to their home states. I wonder if that would apply to the snowbirds. Definitely don't want any NY, NJ, MA sympathizes in FL, they would jam up the highways with their crappy driving and keep the defensive units from reaching their assigned posts... Florida is a good point. Swamps, canals, marshes, beaches, then you have to assume they have Eglin AFB and their planes, CentCom, Pensacola and the Navy planes, Mayport and the carriers. They also provide most of the produce to the US in the winter months. |
2012-11-30 11:33 AM in reply to: #4515987 |
Pro 4313 McKinney, TX | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is....he'll tell you. If he's not, there's no need to embarrass him. |
2012-11-30 11:33 AM in reply to: #4516423 |
Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War powerman - 2012-11-30 12:05 PM GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 9:06 AM mr2tony - 2012-11-30 10:42 AM Texas has 90 peaks over a mile high. It is also 700 miles across. You could invade the panhandle (the square part up top) but you'd have a hard time beyond that. Also, you'd have to get past Lubbock where they've been ready for this for a while...bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 9:34 AM From a strategic point of view, invading Texas wouldn't be a challenge. The only thing it has going for it is its size. Colorado, now that would be a hard state to take. The sheer amount of mountain warfare folks you'd need to take it would be hard to come by. I assume the original Red Dawn was filmed there, which is proof that guerrilla warfare in the mountains could be effective. Especially with Patrick Swayze leading the resistance.hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AMMy money would be on Texas. I don't know you....but I love you.Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states.What now?!?! Bring it on y'allWow... A whole mile hu... that's impressive. I live above that on flat ground. Big question is.. who the heck wants the fine Republic of Texas? My point there smart man is that TX ain't all flat. It has terrain to account for. It's a huge state. Question back at you is who wants Siberia...Oil, Gas, Uranium, Coal. Lots of useful stuff these days. |
2012-11-30 11:40 AM in reply to: #4516469 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Second US Civil War GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 10:33 AM powerman - 2012-11-30 12:05 PM GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 9:06 AM mr2tony - 2012-11-30 10:42 AM Texas has 90 peaks over a mile high. It is also 700 miles across. You could invade the panhandle (the square part up top) but you'd have a hard time beyond that. Also, you'd have to get past Lubbock where they've been ready for this for a while...bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 9:34 AM From a strategic point of view, invading Texas wouldn't be a challenge. The only thing it has going for it is its size. Colorado, now that would be a hard state to take. The sheer amount of mountain warfare folks you'd need to take it would be hard to come by. I assume the original Red Dawn was filmed there, which is proof that guerrilla warfare in the mountains could be effective. Especially with Patrick Swayze leading the resistance.hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AMMy money would be on Texas. I don't know you....but I love you.Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states.What now?!?! Bring it on y'allWow... A whole mile hu... that's impressive. I live above that on flat ground. Big question is.. who the heck wants the fine Republic of Texas? My point there smart man is that TX ain't all flat. It has terrain to account for. It's a huge state. Question back at you is who wants Siberia...Oil, Gas, Uranium, Coal. Lots of useful stuff these days. If I was an Armadillo, I could think of no better place. I would tend to think in another civil war Texas would do the same thing it's done for the last 100 years... remain the Republic of Texas and act like the other 49 do not exist. |
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