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2012-11-30 7:37 AM

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This was on Slate and I figured we could get some interesting discussion on COJ now that the election is over.

The article is the question "If every state in the US declared war against the others, who would win."

The response in the article is both a demonstration of great imagination and what happens when Marines have too much time to think.

http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/quora/2012/11/27/civil_war_who_would_...

Hope the website comes out ok.


2012-11-30 9:26 AM
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California can't manage their boarders now, why would that change.  Plus any invasion would cause California to throw money at them as the immediate and long term fix.  Of course the 9th Circuit Court would call it legal then illegal then legal then illegal, regardless of what their residents voted on.

My money would be on Texas.

2012-11-30 9:34 AM
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hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AM

My money would be on Texas.



I don't know you....but I love you.

Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states.

What now?!?! Bring it on y'all

2012-11-30 9:39 AM
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Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line.  They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. 

I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado.  A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat.  

2012-11-30 9:42 AM
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bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 9:34 AM

hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AM

My money would be on Texas.



I don't know you....but I love you.

Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states.

What now?!?! Bring it on y'all



From a strategic point of view, invading Texas wouldn't be a challenge. The only thing it has going for it is its size. Colorado, now that would be a hard state to take. The sheer amount of mountain warfare folks you'd need to take it would be hard to come by. I assume the original Red Dawn was filmed there, which is proof that guerrilla warfare in the mountains could be effective. Especially with Patrick Swayze leading the resistance.
2012-11-30 9:49 AM
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kevin_trapp - 2012-11-30 7:39 AM

Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line.  They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. 

I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado.  A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat.  

I'd go with Alaska for the same reasons you give for CO, but add that their borders are pretty safe -- who the heck would WANT to go there?



2012-11-30 9:51 AM
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I didn't read the whole thing, but my money's on Texas winning. 

I do question their logic about places like New York being positioned to sustain themselves.  As a state they may have good resources, but due to the huge populations they have to rely on imports for most of their food and gas.  They'd dry up in a matter of days if they were truly cut off from the rest of the US.

I do wonder sometimes where we are heading as a country and what will ultimately happen.  Most people think that the US could never split up, but we are becoming more and more divided every year, ideologically speaking.  If we keep growing further and further apart something is going to break at some point and I don't know what that means or looks like.

I always joke that if there's an ideological civil war the Republicans will obviously win because they're the ones with all the guns. 

2012-11-30 9:52 AM
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Except in AK you could go all sneaky and cross the ice to get there.

I'd vote Hawaii.  But everyone would be too busy surfing and enjoying themselves to worry when someone shows up to invade.

2012-11-30 9:59 AM
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Yes but Colorado by sheer population ratio would thin out quickly.  Plus they smoke pot there right?  They will smoke and eat themselves into surrender.

Frankly it would not work as the analysis went.  Most would side with other larger bans of advancing teams or either be slaughtered or enslaved.  Colorado is land locked and has threats on all boarders.  Having a shipping port is crucial.  Those states with ground, air, and naval superiority will thrive. 

Simply put look at the election chart again, those states red and blue would most likely form unions faster.

Frankly I joke about California but they would put up a fight due to the fact they have several military bases.  On the other hand they have UC Berkley.

NY, as a power in wartime, now that makes me laugh.  One word  - GRIDLOCK.

A state that could come out of nowhere, Idaho, yes, that little state may offer some susprises and movement for untrained armies in winter vs the might would prove intresting.

Still, Texas.  One variable was missing from the analysis, "heart". 

SHTF, my azz is humping it as far away from Atlanta as posible becuase when it goes down most will riot and loot internally, especially in larger cities, head to the country and Texas has a lot of it.



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2012-11-30 10:04 AM
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kevin_trapp - 2012-11-30 10:39 AM

Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line.  They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. 

I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado.  A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat.  

Aren't you from Missouri?

which has a higher obesity rate than TX? They use Lard to cook their Bacon in Missouri...

2012-11-30 10:06 AM
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mr2tony - 2012-11-30 10:42 AM
bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 9:34 AM
hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AMMy money would be on Texas.

I don't know you....but I love you.Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states.What now?!?! Bring it on y'all
From a strategic point of view, invading Texas wouldn't be a challenge. The only thing it has going for it is its size. Colorado, now that would be a hard state to take. The sheer amount of mountain warfare folks you'd need to take it would be hard to come by. I assume the original Red Dawn was filmed there, which is proof that guerrilla warfare in the mountains could be effective. Especially with Patrick Swayze leading the resistance.
Texas has 90 peaks over a mile high. It is also 700 miles across. You could invade the panhandle (the square part up top) but you'd have a hard time beyond that. Also, you'd have to get past Lubbock where they've been ready for this for a while...


2012-11-30 10:08 AM
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GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 10:04 AM
kevin_trapp - 2012-11-30 10:39 AM

Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line.  They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. 

I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado.  A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat.  

Aren't you from Missouri?

which has a higher obesity rate than TX? They use Lard to cook their Bacon in Missouri...

You ever been to the back woods of the Ozarks?  Those boys are down right mean.  AND scary!

2012-11-30 10:10 AM
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kevin_trapp - 2012-11-30 10:39 AM

Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line.  They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. 

I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado.  A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat.  

LOL - awesome

2012-11-30 10:12 AM
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GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 10:04 AM
kevin_trapp - 2012-11-30 10:39 AM

Texans may be well-armed and a crack shot, but given their obesity rates they're not advancing any front line.  They'll only invade as far north as their rascal's battery life will take them. 

I saw the original Red Dawn, I'm going with Colorado.  A bunch of skilled hunters hiding out in the mountains, that's tough to beat.  

Aren't you from Missouri?

which has a higher obesity rate than TX? They use Lard to cook their Bacon in Missouri...

Which is why I'm not picking Missouri either, or any southeast state for that matter.  But according to the CDC, Texas obesity is 30.4%, we Missourians are at a svelte 30.3%.  Go MO!

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

2012-11-30 10:27 AM
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bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 7:34 AM
hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AM My money would be on Texas.
I don't know you....but I love you. Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states. What now?!?! Bring it on y'all

My initial thoughts when I first read the OP was Texas.

2012-11-30 10:38 AM
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I am thinking AK would have the best natural defense and could be cut off from the other states and still survive.

I think TX will be just like the Cowboys and will have no defense.



2012-11-30 10:41 AM
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Why Florida Wins:

1) Would take a massive navy to make a strong charge.

2) Red neck panhandle first obstacle, Disney militia would hold central florida strong

3) If 1 and 2 happens, you have Miami to get past. I will take those odds.  

4) Our heavy senior population would make great human shields

4) With over 100k in state prisons, we would release them all contingent on needing 100 confirmed kills to earn freedom.  Problem solved.  

5) Our gator and python population would take out thousands who try to get through the everglades.   

2012-11-30 10:49 AM
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Why Florida Wins:

1) Would take a massive navy to make a strong charge.

2) Red neck panhandle first obstacle, Disney militia would hold central florida strong

3) If 1 and 2 happens, you have Miami to get past. I will take those odds.  

4) Our heavy senior population would make great human shields

4) With over 100k in state prisons, we would release them all contingent on needing 100 confirmed kills to earn freedom.  Problem solved.  

5) Our gator and python population would take out thousands who try to get through the everglades.   

Plus, you'd have to assume Tebow would come back to the state to fight.  And he's got a documented history of killing Georgia.

2012-11-30 10:54 AM
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General Robert E. Lee was against Succession.  But when it came to be that there would be war he said he had to side with his home state.      Same here. 
2012-11-30 11:04 AM
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jcnipper - 2012-11-30 10:49 AM

cardenas1 - 2012-11-30 11:41 AM

Why Florida Wins:

1) Would take a massive navy to make a strong charge.

2) Red neck panhandle first obstacle, Disney militia would hold central florida strong

3) If 1 and 2 happens, you have Miami to get past. I will take those odds.  

4) Our heavy senior population would make great human shields

4) With over 100k in state prisons, we would release them all contingent on needing 100 confirmed kills to earn freedom.  Problem solved.  

5) Our gator and python population would take out thousands who try to get through the everglades.   

Plus, you'd have to assume Tebow would come back to the state to fight.  And he's got a documented history of killing Georgia.



He's certainly not fighting for New York.
2012-11-30 11:05 AM
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GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 9:06 AM
mr2tony - 2012-11-30 10:42 AM
bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 9:34 AM
hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AMMy money would be on Texas.
I don't know you....but I love you.Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states.What now?!?! Bring it on y'all
From a strategic point of view, invading Texas wouldn't be a challenge. The only thing it has going for it is its size. Colorado, now that would be a hard state to take. The sheer amount of mountain warfare folks you'd need to take it would be hard to come by. I assume the original Red Dawn was filmed there, which is proof that guerrilla warfare in the mountains could be effective. Especially with Patrick Swayze leading the resistance.
Texas has 90 peaks over a mile high. It is also 700 miles across. You could invade the panhandle (the square part up top) but you'd have a hard time beyond that. Also, you'd have to get past Lubbock where they've been ready for this for a while...

Wow... A whole mile hu... that's impressive. I live above that on flat ground.

Big question is.. who the heck wants the fine Republic of Texas?



2012-11-30 11:31 AM
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mr2tony - 2012-11-30 12:04 PM
jcnipper - 2012-11-30 10:49 AM
cardenas1 - 2012-11-30 11:41 AM

Why Florida Wins:

1) Would take a massive navy to make a strong charge.

2) Red neck panhandle first obstacle, Disney militia would hold central florida strong

3) If 1 and 2 happens, you have Miami to get past. I will take those odds.  

4) Our heavy senior population would make great human shields

4) With over 100k in state prisons, we would release them all contingent on needing 100 confirmed kills to earn freedom.  Problem solved.  

5) Our gator and python population would take out thousands who try to get through the everglades.   

Plus, you'd have to assume Tebow would come back to the state to fight.  And he's got a documented history of killing Georgia.

He's certainly not fighting for New York.

The article spoke to people going back to their home states. I wonder if that would apply to the snowbirds. Definitely don't want any NY, NJ, MA sympathizes in FL, they would jam up the highways with their crappy driving and keep the defensive units from reaching their assigned posts...

Florida is a good point.

Swamps, canals, marshes, beaches, then you have to assume they have Eglin AFB and their planes, CentCom, Pensacola and the Navy planes, Mayport and the carriers. They also provide most of the produce to the US in the winter months.

2012-11-30 11:33 AM
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never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is....he'll tell you. If he's not, there's no need to embarrass him.

2012-11-30 11:33 AM
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powerman - 2012-11-30 12:05 PM

GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 9:06 AM
mr2tony - 2012-11-30 10:42 AM
bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 9:34 AM
hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AMMy money would be on Texas.
I don't know you....but I love you.Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states.What now?!?! Bring it on y'all
From a strategic point of view, invading Texas wouldn't be a challenge. The only thing it has going for it is its size. Colorado, now that would be a hard state to take. The sheer amount of mountain warfare folks you'd need to take it would be hard to come by. I assume the original Red Dawn was filmed there, which is proof that guerrilla warfare in the mountains could be effective. Especially with Patrick Swayze leading the resistance.
Texas has 90 peaks over a mile high. It is also 700 miles across. You could invade the panhandle (the square part up top) but you'd have a hard time beyond that. Also, you'd have to get past Lubbock where they've been ready for this for a while...

Wow... A whole mile hu... that's impressive. I live above that on flat ground.

Big question is.. who the heck wants the fine Republic of Texas?

My point there smart man is that TX ain't all flat. It has terrain to account for. It's a huge state.

Question back at you is who wants Siberia...Oil, Gas, Uranium, Coal. Lots of useful stuff these days.

2012-11-30 11:40 AM
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GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 10:33 AM
powerman - 2012-11-30 12:05 PM

GomesBolt - 2012-11-30 9:06 AM
mr2tony - 2012-11-30 10:42 AM
bradleyd3 - 2012-11-30 9:34 AM
hrliles - 2012-11-30 9:26 AMMy money would be on Texas.
I don't know you....but I love you.Yes....Texas whips all the other pansy-a$$ states.What now?!?! Bring it on y'all
From a strategic point of view, invading Texas wouldn't be a challenge. The only thing it has going for it is its size. Colorado, now that would be a hard state to take. The sheer amount of mountain warfare folks you'd need to take it would be hard to come by. I assume the original Red Dawn was filmed there, which is proof that guerrilla warfare in the mountains could be effective. Especially with Patrick Swayze leading the resistance.
Texas has 90 peaks over a mile high. It is also 700 miles across. You could invade the panhandle (the square part up top) but you'd have a hard time beyond that. Also, you'd have to get past Lubbock where they've been ready for this for a while...

Wow... A whole mile hu... that's impressive. I live above that on flat ground.

Big question is.. who the heck wants the fine Republic of Texas?

My point there smart man is that TX ain't all flat. It has terrain to account for. It's a huge state.

Question back at you is who wants Siberia...Oil, Gas, Uranium, Coal. Lots of useful stuff these days.

If I was an Armadillo, I could think of no better place.

I would tend to think in another civil war Texas would do the same thing it's done for the last 100 years... remain the Republic of Texas and act like the other 49 do not exist.

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