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2012-12-02 9:02 PM

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Subject: How close is McMillan calculator (HM to Mary)
So according to the McMillan calculator with a 1:32 1/2 I should go 3:13 in a full. That would be a 40 min PR from my last (and first) marathon. So basically my question is, do a lot of you find it to be close? I was hoping for 3:30 with the intention of going out at an 8 min pace and then attempting to negative split the second half. Should I reconsider?


2012-12-02 9:23 PM
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Recent thread on McMillan here:

http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=469514&posts=28&start=1

 

But yes- if you bank the miles and the training, you CAN run a 3:13 full.  The 3:13 is what your body is capable of in ideal conditions.  Start taking minutes off for environment (hot or cold), altitude, elevation change (i.e. hills), wind (can be significant), and sub-optimal execution.  Execution requires perfect pacing, hydration and nutrition.  Keep in mind, for every second you go out too fast in the early miles, add 2 seconds to the later ones.  Unfortunately the reverse isn't quite true.  If you go out a second/mi too slow in the early miles, you don't get to run 2sec/mi faster in the later ones- so this is where Mcmillan is useful.  It let's you know how you can pace to achieve a more optimal overall time.  As any time spent above threshold, even a little, is very damaging.  

Planning on going out slow and negative splitting is a 'safer' way to run the marathon, but not an optimal way.  

Keep in mind- that to achieve McMillan- it's gonna' hurt.  A LOT.  It's the limit of what your body is capable of.  Shooting for a 3:13 and failing may yield a 3:40.  Shooting for a 3:30, is much more likely to yield a 3:30- if that makes any sense.  

2012-12-03 6:06 AM
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Subject: RE: How close is McMillan calculator (HM to Mary)
morey000 - 2012-12-02 10:23 PM

But yes- if you bank the miles and the training, you CAN run a 3:13 full.  The 3:13 is what your body is capable of in ideal conditions.  

Slight correction here: it is what some bodies are capable of in ideal conditions. Most people don't reach their McMillan equivalents for a marathon. Probably in most cases it's due to insufficient training. But it's also relevant that some folks are better suited to shorter distances.

I find McMillan to be pretty accurate for distances up to HM, but that it's too optimistic for Mary distances, perhaps by about 5-6 minutes in my case.

2012-12-03 8:40 AM
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Subject: RE: How close is McMillan calculator (HM to Mary)
I went into my 2nd marathon with a 1:33 half about 10 weeks prior.  My first marathon was 10 months earlier with a 3:53 (35 MPW was my highest).  I had about 12 weeks at 60-75 mpw for the second marathon.  I felt McMillan was too optimistic and started with the 3:30 pace group.  By the 3rd mile I was feeling good so I took off and just ran how I felt.  Finished with a 3:21 (29 minutes under my BQ) on a tough course so McMillan was pretty dang close.  I think your MPW are key and need to be in the 60-70 MPW to be close.
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