Gun permit holders published (Page 8)

What argument from anyone would be considered compelling to you? We all have our points, and nobody seems swayed one way or the other.

I'm just OCD, don't take it personal.

Daniel... well he's just blunt. But come on, a burning bus and chainsawing nuns... that's pretty compelling.

So if someone steals one of your baseball bats and beats someone to death with it you are willing to go to jail and be fined?

Hold up.....locking up baseball bats is un-American.  

Tony,

Come cross the border some Saturday and I'll take you to the range where you can shoot all types of evil rifles.

Let me know if you;re interested.

Warning: AmyJo may chick you at the range  

Eh....the truth is....most burglars are drug addicts who don't read anything.  Still, it's fun to act like it's a big deal that they published some names. The horror!!

mr2tony - 2012-12-26 10:36 AM

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 9:18 AM

mr2tony - 2012-12-26 9:05 AM

Left Brain - 2012-12-26 8:58 AM

Hey, if I'm a burglar, I'm happy to see that list posted!!!   

You can't fix stupid.

Exactly! So why are gun owners up in arms about this? Ohhhh pun intended. Seriously, though, why are gun owners upset about this? I thought they'd want everybody to know they have a gun so the bad guys won't come to their houses because everybody knows if a bad guy knows you have a gun, he won't mess with you,which, of course, is why police officers never get messed with. And if owning a gun is so cool and awesome and you're such a badass for having one, why would anybody care? Isn't it a deterrent to crime?

Actually, if I was a burglar I'd be sitting around waiting for them to leave.......so I could go get their guns.  If you are a permit holder chances are you have more guns too.  Guns are easy to get rid of and bring good money for heroin junkies where I am. 

I realize I look at things a bit differently than you, Tony, I just know what I deal with every day...it's never as black and white as you'd like to think.

When did I say it was black and white? I am asking a serious question. All the gun owners on here are proud to announce what kind of gun they have in a very public forum and on facebook my friends keep posting things like `That door was locked for YOUR protection, not mine.' with a picture of a big gun. Yet when someone actually knows they have a gun, it's `Don't tell anybody!' Why? Because you're afraid someone is going to steal your gun? So you're saying that owning a gun isn't a deterrent to crime, it's just a deterrent to a certain type of crime and instead makes you more vulnerable to another type of crime?

Your argument is based upon the false assumption that there is only one choice for gun ownership and that's deterent.  It's a false choice.  If you were correct that the only reason people own guns is to deter crimes and they post all sorts of warnings on their property about owning guns, then you would be correct that publishing the list shouldn't be offensive to those individuals.

However, deterence isn't the only reason to have a gun.  Sport is one, some people own guns because they enjoy the sport of shooting and hunting.  Another reason is protection.  These are the two reasons I own firearms.  I enjoy target and combat style shooting.  I also work in a job that puts me at risk, thus I own firearms and I commonly carry a firearm.

Thus I don't advertise that I own guns.  Thus, the publishing of the names and addresses of these individuals, let's call them "the quiet gun owners", is problematic.  It does infringe upon my privacy. 

Additionally there is a certain segment of the population that actually seeks out to steal firearms, and this publication is nothing more than a shopping list.

So, you're wrong because you've set up a false choice asserting that gun owners own guns to be "bada$$" or for deterence.  There is another choice that you have totally ignored...protection.

I know, I know, you've said over and over that you don't need protection of a firearm.  But, there are some individuals, me for instance, who work in an industry where, as a direct result of their work they have been the target of threats.  Threats that were serious.  As such both myself and my wife are typically armed.  I unlike our congress people do not have professional security force, as such it is up to me and me alone to protect myself and my family.

How I chose to do that is no concern of yours.  Especially since I have the right to do what I'm doing.

(Oh and by the way, if the paper had published my name and address, regardless of how they got the information, they would have committed a crime.  Because to disclose my name and address is a crime, as I am exempted from publication under a Public Information request.  And you can bet your life I'd be filling a police report requesting that charges be brought.)