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2013-01-05 12:04 PM

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Subject: Why are mass shooting murderers always called Gun"Men"?

Why not Gun"Women" or Gun"Persons"?

Every media outlet I know of uses the term Gun"Men" or Gun"Man", 
even the most PC of them. 

Well, I guess it makes sense because without exception as far as I can recall
these murderers are always men. 

Why?

For those of you especially who might think that gender is a cultural construct,
what's your answer as to why men are doing this?

What's your solution? 



2013-01-05 12:14 PM
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God in schools. That'll fix everything.

And less yoga.
2013-01-05 12:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Why are mass shooting murderers always called Gun"Men"?

Probably because they need to save space since "scumbag that wielded a weapon that shoots" is too long, and "man" is a general term and shortened for "human" since it's not "huwoman".

2013-01-05 12:30 PM
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mr2tony - 2God in schools. That'll fix everything. And less yoga.

Honestly, maybe yoga might have helped the kid in CT.

I like your thinking. Keep working the problem.

I don't have an answer myself to the questions.
I think evil exists. Always has and always will. 

I do wonder though, given that these murderers are always men,
where the culture might be failing in helping form men to live virtuous lives. 



Edited by dontracy 2013-01-05 12:32 PM
2013-01-05 12:31 PM
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Women tend to be mass murderers and spree killers with poisons.
Lavinia Fisher
Dorothea Puente
Velma Barfield
Jeanne Weber
Amelia Dyer
Nannie Doss
Jane Toppan
Marie Noe
Juana “La Mataviejitas” Barraza (but she strangled them)


Women don't tend to use guns. They poison and knife them.

2013-01-05 12:55 PM
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I guess some are shooters:
Jennifer San Marco
Amy Bishop
Aileen Wuornos
Antoinette Frank
Elizabeth Diane Downs


So I guess it's just easier to say gunman. I'm surprised the womynists types aren't demanding they de-genderize it.



2013-01-05 1:05 PM
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testosterone
2013-01-05 1:11 PM
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TriToy - 2013-01-05 2:05 PM

testosterone


Yeah, females tend to go into medicine and become "angels of mercy" or "angels of death" killers depending on what listing you're reading

2013-01-05 1:12 PM
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TriToy - 2013-01-05 1:05 PMtestosterone

Sexist.

2013-01-05 1:29 PM
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DanielG - 2013-01-05 2:11 PM
TriToy - 2013-01-05 2:05 PM testosterone
Yeah, females tend to go into medicine and become "angels of mercy" or "angels of death" killers depending on what listing you're reading


Andrea Yates was a nurse!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates

2013-01-05 1:46 PM
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TriToy - 2013-01-05 2:05 PM

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Certainly: Testosterone is a hormone which makes one more aggressive. Males simply make more of this hormone and, especially in their teens and twenties.

Also, schizophrenia is about 40% more prevalent in males and onsets at that same age.

Biochemistry likely plays a significant role.

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2013-01-05 1:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Why are mass shooting murderers always called Gun"Men"?

OK, here comes a "back in my day" comment.

Back in my day, boys regularly took knives to grammar school.
No one cared. We took them out and played target throwing at recess and lunch.
Heck, even the Sisters (nuns) would join us sometime. 

No one ever stabbed anyone.
No one would have thought to even threaten that as a tease.

On our high school football team, half the team would take off one day from school each fall to go deer hunting.
No one cared. It was a ritual that was accepted as being good for boys to do.
As long as the players got back in time for practice, everything was cool. 

Teenage boys full of testosterone (football testosterone at that) were out  in the nearby woods
with shotguns and high powered rifles.

No one ever had a shooting accident.
No one ever came back to school and committed murder with the guns.
No one would even think about threatening that or saying something like a threat in jest.

Everyone had a maturity about using dangerous things
and used them with common sense. 

It's not like that anymore.

What happened?

 



Edited by dontracy 2013-01-05 2:10 PM
2013-01-05 2:36 PM
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dontracy - 2013-01-05 2:52 PM

OK, here comes a "back in my day" comment.

Back in my day, boys regularly took knives to grammar school.
No one cared. We took them out and played target throwing at recess and lunch.


  • ..


  • What happened?

     




    When you were growing up, how many of your buddies were on prozac? Paxil?
    Hell, Canada has blamed prozac on at least one murder:
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/25/legal...

    Couple other things to think about

    Murders of all kind are down to the 1960s levels, y'know, when guns were available mail order with no background checks.

    If you're a loser and want to get your name and picture on the front page of the Washington Post, NY Times, LA Times and other news agencies for a week, take a guess what the most sure way to do that is? The media will ensure you live beyond your time.

    You didn't have a whole lot of people who would publicly faint at the sight of a gun and made sure it became a forbidden neat thing that now kids want to find out what all the fuss is all about.

    2013-01-05 2:46 PM
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    DanielG - When you were growing up, how many of your buddies were on prozac? Paxil?

    None.
    We were all too busy out playing at every available moment until the street lights came on. Then we came home, ate dinner, did homework, and fell asleep happily exhuasted.

    You didn't have a whole lot of people who would publicly faint at the sight of a gun and made sure it became a forbidden neat thing that now kids want to find out what all the fuss is all about.

    True.
    We had alpha men around, fathers, uncles, coaches, older brothers and cousins
    who would teach us how to use dangerous things and would crack us upside the head if
    we messed up with them. 

    2013-01-05 2:49 PM
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    dontracy - 2013-01-05 3:46 PM

    True.
    We had alpha men around, fathers, uncles, coaches, older brothers and cousins
    who would teach us how to use dangerous things and would crack us upside the head if
    we messed up with them. 



    There's another one of the gee whiz bits. Quite a few if not most of the serials tend to have overbearing mothers.

    2013-01-05 2:54 PM
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    DanielG - 2013-01-05 1:55 PM I guess some are shooters: Jennifer San Marco Amy Bishop Aileen Wuornos Antoinette Frank Elizabeth Diane Downs So I guess it's just easier to say gunman. I'm surprised the womynists types aren't demanding they de-genderize it.

     

    You missed the most prolific female killer of them all.  That chick named Jessica Fletcher up in Cabot Cove, Maine was notorious...you really think she had nothing to do with the hundreds of murders she helped "solve?"

    On topic, I think gunman isn't alone in its old-fashionedness...I think I touched on this issue a while back in the manhole thread.  

     



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    ChineseDemocracy - 2013-01-05 3:54 PM

    You missed the most prolific female killer of them all.  That chick named Jessica Fletcher up in Cabot Cove, Maine was notorious...you really think she had nothing to do with the hundreds of murders she helped "solve?"


    Holy cow, I completely forgot "The Innocent Little Ol' Lady" Arsenic and Old Lace type. How silly of me

    2013-01-05 3:36 PM
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    Probably the same reason most of us use FireMan, MailMan, etc.  Just part of our vocab.

    People don't like the term shooter either. 

    I don't see gunperson catching on.



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    KeriKadi - 2013-01-05 4:36 PM

    Probably the same reason most of us use FireMan, MailMan, etc.  Just part of our vocab.

    People don't like the term shooter either. 

    I don't see gunperson catching on.

    How 'bout Fire Arm Carrier Person? That covers the Fire Fighter and Mail Carrier angle.

    Seriously, what's causing young men to do these things?
    Did it always take place and we just didn't hear about it?
    Or has something changed in the culture that contribute to bringing this all about? 

    2013-01-05 4:33 PM
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    Maybe because over 90% of gun homicides are commited by males.

     

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/gender.cfm

    2013-01-05 5:15 PM
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    When I was 11 my friends mom would pack us a lunch to carry.  We took a shotgun each and .22 riffle and went and played in the woods behind the farm.  It's amazing we managed to go hike for miles, blast some birds and critters and still live to talk about it.

     

    Oops in response to dontracey "back in the day" rant



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    Puppetmaster - 

    When I was 11 my friends mom would pack us a lunch to carry.  We took a shotgun each and .22 riffle and went and played in the woods behind the farm.  It's amazing we managed to go hike for miles, blast some birds and critters and still live to talk about it.

    And you didn't become a mass murderer.

    (I bet there was a good chance the lunch even had Twinkies)



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    dontracy - 2013-01-05 2:21 PM
    KeriKadi - 2013-01-05 4:36 PM

    Probably the same reason most of us use FireMan, MailMan, etc.  Just part of our vocab.

    People don't like the term shooter either. 

    I don't see gunperson catching on.

    How 'bout Fire Arm Carrier Person? That covers the Fire Fighter and Mail Carrier angle.

    Seriously, what's causing young men to do these things?
    Did it always take place and we just didn't hear about it?
    Or has something changed in the culture that contribute to bringing this all about? 

    Possibly.  Look at media today versus 50 or 100 years ago.  Today it is instant and worldwide if the "story" is sensational enough.  Combine that with a larger population overall and you have a higher number of such events reaching our eyeballs, even if the percentage isn't.

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    mr2tony - 2013-01-05 12:14 PM God in schools. That'll fix everything.

    I think you're on to something T. 

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    tuwood - 2013-01-05 7:46 PM

    mr2tony - 2013-01-05 12:14 PM God in schools. That'll fix everything.

    I think you're on to something T. 

     

    Why settle for the singular?  If God in schools = good, Gods in schools = even better!

    ...now, do we issue guns to these Gods......

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