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2013-01-05 3:33 PM

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I guess my question is, is it really that hard to "make" a particular bike fit you assuming the frame is the right general size? I keep reading that everyone says make sure you pick a bike that "fits" you before you choose one. I do understand that fit is very important, but can't you pretty much make adjustments to seat height and stack and reach of any bike to dial in the fit? The reason I'm asking is because I'm in the market for a new bike but can't seem to find the exact bike I want at a local bike shop to make sure it "fits". I really love the look of one of the Fuji bikes, but I'm somewhat confused by all the "make sure it fits" talk. Thanks for the education/responses. Josh


2013-01-05 3:42 PM
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The importance of a proper bike fit can't be stressed enough.
2013-01-05 4:16 PM
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YeaJackson - 2013-01-05 1:42 PMThe importance of a proper bike fit can't be stressed enough.
^^ this. Particularly where TT/Tri bikes are concerned. With a road bike, there is quite a bit more room for error.
2013-01-05 4:29 PM
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Depends on how far you want to ride it.

2013-01-05 4:35 PM
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Yes, there's more margin for error in getting a bike that "fits" than in being "fitted" to the bike, but get one that's too far off, and there isn't anything that can be done to make it work.

If the bike generally fits you, it's possible to switch out the stem, bars, seat, and adjust each of these when you are fitted.



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2013-01-05 4:36 PM
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You can make pretty much any bike "fit" your contact point preferences with forward (or backward) offset seatposts, extremely long or short stems, etc. And it'll ride just fine... on the trainer.


2013-01-05 4:48 PM
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I rode a bike that was not a good fit for me for about 9 months when I first started doing triathlon.  I bought a used bike off of a friend who is 4 inches taller than me.  It was terrible.  Not only was the bike too big, the geometry was all wrong for my body type.  

There are really two issues here, one is getting a bike that fits and the other is having a good professional fit after you buy the bike. Both are equally important.  Take the time to talk to some folks at your LBS that really know what they are doing.  When I bought my road bike my LBS owner took the time to get to know me, my goals, and took all of my measurements before starting to recommend bikes.  Then, he recommended 2 or 3 different bikes that were in my price range and let me take them out for decent test rides. After I chose a bike he spent over 2 hours on the fit.  

When it came time to upgrade to a tri bike a few years later he did the same thing.  I now have 2 bikes that I can comfortably ride all day.

2013-01-05 4:53 PM
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How specific are you about how a suit fits?  You pick the right sized jacket (arm length / chest size) & pants (waist / inseam).  And the brand and even THAT particular suit style may not fit the same as another of the same brand.

And you still need tailoring.

Think about how many hours you plan on sitting on the saddle.

2013-01-05 5:01 PM
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When I bought my bike a few years ago, the staff at the bike shop just watched me ride a few different sizes and finally one "looked" right and they sold me the bike.  Now keep in mind I had to drive an hour and a half to find any bike shop and this one was selling what I wanted at the price I was willing to pay.  Unfortunately after riding a little for 2 summers it didn't feel right and I drove an hour and a half in the other direction and found out I should have bought a bigger frame.  The fitter spent hours with me.  Changing seat height and angles and changing stems and moving the handlebars.  It's better now, but about 3-4 hours is all I can stand on it.  And the trainer is worse.  About an hour to an hour and a half on the trainer is all I can do because it's just not comfortable.  When I'm in the market for a new bike (when I have some money) I'm researching bike shops and if I have to drive 5 hours I'm getting a bike that fits!

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2013-01-05 5:02 PM
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I have no doubt that my bike doesn't fit. Even being totaly stupid I know the reach to the bars is uncomfortably long (and I'm 6'2"). But I can't ride for more than 2 hours (due to butt pain, knee pain, and my shoulders ache, my feet are sound asleep, etc) and can't quite justify the expense of a new bike for a hobby that I can't even do for more than 2 hours. Would getting a bike that fits correctly take away that tailbone pain and numb toes? Or does that come with any bike?
2013-01-05 5:21 PM
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Quigley - 2013-01-05 7:02 PM I have no doubt that my bike doesn't fit. Even being totaly stupid I know the reach to the bars is uncomfortably long (and I'm 6'2"). But I can't ride for more than 2 hours (due to butt pain, knee pain, and my shoulders ache, my feet are sound asleep, etc) and can't quite justify the expense of a new bike for a hobby that I can't even do for more than 2 hours. Would getting a bike that fits correctly take away that tailbone pain and numb toes? Or does that come with any bike?

I can ride my tri bike for 5-6 hours without experiencing anything that you describe.  



2013-01-05 5:24 PM
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Bike fit can't possibly be any more or less significant than getting the correct size running shoe. 
2013-01-05 5:52 PM
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FWIW I spent some time in the bike shop today having the whole Retul fit process explained to me. What was interesting is all of the things that can be out of whack if you don't get fit. I'm not saying the Retul fit is a must but dang, all the measurements that come out of it can paint an ugly picture.
2013-01-05 6:21 PM
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OP - yes, fit is important, but you are correct that if the frame you choose is close, and you have a good fitter, you can modify things like stem length and angle, add spacers, adjust saddle height & fore/aft position, etc., etc., etc. The closer the frame is to your "ideal" fit, the easier it will be to dial your fit in.

You might consider using this fit calculator to see if the bike you're considering comes in a frame size that is "close enough" to your ideal fit that your local fitter can help fine tune and dial in your fit by making some of those adjustments.

2013-01-05 7:47 PM
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Thanks everyone for the responses. Even though I have had a professional fit, I guess there is a lot more that goes into it than I thought. I was hoping that I could make a couple of specific bikes I like for the price fit with the right size frame, but that doesn't seem ideal. Really limits you to whatever brands are in the LBS. thanks again.
2013-01-05 7:55 PM
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I just got a bike fit from arguably the best bike fitter in Chicago earlier today.  It was (extremely) thorough and involved even more than I expected.

The fitting wasn't cheap and took 2.5 hours but it feels like a totally different bike now.  I was really off when I started.  got back on my trainer afterwards and the bike was both more comfortable and my power numbers were a bit higher.

I'm really (really) glad I finally went in and got everything done.  



2013-01-05 8:17 PM
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I bought my Tri bike earlier this year in June and was initially fit by the LBS.  The setup was fairly conservative and I have since made some modifications to the seat height and the cockpit for a more agressive position.

The current setup feels great and other than some saddle issues (I don't think that is due to the fit, but rather due to the stock Felt saddle) I can ride in aero for hours.

Like the OP, I was always skeptical about the benefits of a professional "fit" and felt that I could make the appropriate adjustments and figure out my own personal setup.

However, after reading several online articles and posts on BT, the biggest issue for me is that you may be sacrificing power if you don't have the most optimum fit. 

As I start to ramp up training in the next few weeks, I will be scheduling a professional fit to make sure that what I think is optimal really is the best position.

Even if they confirm that my current setup is right, it will be money well spent in my mind as I would otherwise always have doubts that I was leaving watts on the table.

2013-01-05 10:53 PM
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jsnowash - 2013-01-05 6:21 PM OP - yes, fit is important, but you are correct that if the frame you choose is close, and you have a good fitter, you can modify things like stem length and angle, add spacers, adjust saddle height & fore/aft position, etc., etc., etc. The closer the frame is to your "ideal" fit, the easier it will be to dial your fit in. You might consider using this fit calculator to see if the bike you're considering comes in a frame size that is "close enough" to your ideal fit that your local fitter can help fine tune and dial in your fit by making some of those adjustments.

Yes, this is why you still get fit. A lot of frames will fit a lot of people, but you still need to get the size close enough. And as seen from the OP's later posts, the fit can really help to dial it in with the right size parts so that it works that much better.

2013-01-05 10:58 PM
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Quigley - 2013-01-05 5:02 PM I have no doubt that my bike doesn't fit. Even being totaly stupid I know the reach to the bars is uncomfortably long (and I'm 6'2"). But I can't ride for more than 2 hours (due to butt pain, knee pain, and my shoulders ache, my feet are sound asleep, etc) and can't quite justify the expense of a new bike for a hobby that I can't even do for more than 2 hours. Would getting a bike that fits correctly take away that tailbone pain and numb toes? Or does that come with any bike?

Possibly, it depends on just what the issue is. If the fitter is good, they may be able find if it's something with the position or if you have some physical issues that may need to be addressed. Something is definitely going on though.

Curious though, is this on a trainer or outdoors? If both, is there a difference between the settings? Are you taking stand-up breaks? The trainer is usually a bit tougher on the rider with these things.

2013-01-05 11:01 PM
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This is a perfectly timed post.. I have been not enjoying my cycling experience since buying a bike last year and was debating whether I should pay the $$ for a fitting.  This put me over the edge and I have schedule one for next week.  I hope this will significantly improve my cycling experience.
2013-01-06 12:13 AM
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I was hoping I could be the first poster when I read the title so I could just answer:

"Yes."



2013-01-06 11:09 AM
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I'm not sure why bike fit (especially for a tri bike) is even a topic of discussion.  It's absolutely mandatory as far as I'm concerned.  If one considers power and comfort to be important issues (and they're the two most important issues) then one should consider a good bike fit to be of paramount concern.

It's funny that people spend thousands of dollars on a bike and either 1) discount the importance of a bike fit and/or 2) balk at spending a couple of hundred bucks to get a proper fit.

The latest trend with the bike manufacturers and their latest generation of tri bikes has been to make them more middle of the road when it comes to fit.  Cervelo and Felt were always at one end of the spectrum and Cannondale was at the other end and Trek and Specialized were somewhere in between.  The newer bikes have more common geometries and more options with the integrated cockpits to fit just about everyone who isn't an extreme outlier when it comes to body size and/or proportionality.  The old adage of "find the bike that fits first" is less of an issue than it was a few years ago.  That stated, it's still important to know your fit parameters to make an informed decision on your bike of choice and what stem, bar, etc. get you into the best fit.  

Remember, the best fit isn't always the most powerful or the most comfortable.  It's the fit that balances the two in a way that works best for the individual.  I ride a relatively aggressive fit with a 14cm drop.  Most people probably ride with a drop half that if not less.  Newbies will usually have fits more on the conservative side with comfort as the primary concern.  Fits generally get a little more aggressive the more experienced one becomes in the sport.  Which brings up the point that bike fits tend to be dynamic in nature.  A fit that worked for you two years ago might not be optimal now.



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Climbinggonzo - 2013-01-05 5:24 PM Bike fit can't possibly be any more or less significant than getting the correct size running shoe. 

Compromised handling at speeds in excess of 40mph isn't as big an issue when running.

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GMAN 19030 - 2013-01-06 11:09 AM

I'm not sure why bike fit (especially for a tri bike) is even a topic of discussion.  It's absolutely mandatory as far as I'm concerned.  If one considers power and comfort to be important issues (and they're the two most important issues) then one should consider a good bike fit to be of paramount concern.

It's funny that people spend thousands of dollars on a bike and either 1) discount the importance of a bike fit and/or 2) balk at spending a couple of hundred bucks to get a proper fit.

The latest trend with the bike manufacturers and their latest generation of tri bikes has been to make them more middle of the road when it comes to fit.  Cervelo and Felt were always at one end of the spectrum and Cannondale was at the other end and Trek and Specialized were somewhere in between.  The newer bikes have more common geometries and more options with the integrated cockpits to fit just about everyone who isn't an extreme outlier when it comes to body size and/or proportionality.  The old adage of "find the bike that fits first" is less of an issue than it was a few years ago.  That stated, it's still important to know your fit parameters to make an informed decision on your bike of choice and what stem, bar, etc. get you into the best fit.  

Remember, the best fit isn't always the most powerful or the most comfortable.  It's the fit that balances the two in a way that works best for the individual.  I ride a relatively aggressive fit with a 14cm drop.  Most people probably ride with a drop half that if not less.  Newbies will usually have fits more on the conservative side with comfort as the primary concern.  Fits generally get a little more aggressive the more experienced one becomes in the sport.  Which brings up the point that bike fits tend to be dynamic in nature.  A fit that worked for you two years ago might not be optimal now.

Thanks for the response. I do understand how very important a fitting is. I had 2 done this year in prep for my IM build. I guess my question was poorly worded, however you answered my question anyways. I guess my real question was how big a difference between different frames. I always kind of assumed you could hypothetically take a 56 cm frame from any brand and make it fit with minor adjustments. I never realized there was such a difference in geometry amongst different bikes. That's why I'm a newb thanks for the answer and examples of different frames. Josh
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jmug23 - 2013-01-06 1:33 PM  

I always kind of assumed you could hypothetically take a 56 cm frame from any brand and make it fit with minor adjustments. I never realized there was such a difference in geometry amongst different bikes. That's why I'm a newb thanks for the answer and examples of different frames. Josh

I was pretty much in the same boat as you four years ago.  I assumed a 56cm bike was the same no matter the manufacturer and boy was I wrong.  I bought a bike that was completely wrong for me and could never get it fit right.  Like everything triathlon related in my life, I make a mistake and then research the heck out of it and become a quasi-expert in the topic as to not make the same mistake again. Cool

As I stated previously, the bike manufacturers are moving to more of a middle ground with the bike geometries in order to sell more bikes to more people.  This, first and foremost, is found in the super bikes for the big manufacturers (Cervelo P5, Trek Speed Concept, Specialized Shiv, Felt DA, etc.).  Lesser known brands (I think you mentioned you were looking at a Fuji) are a generation or so behind your Cervelos and Treks so their frames "may" still fall into the more conventional long & low or tall & narrow type geometries depending on the manufacturer.  This is my long winded way of saying that a 56cm (or size Large) from say Cervelo and Trek are more alike than they have ever been.

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