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Hi,

Im following a mix Don Fink intermediate and competitive plan, mostly just the swimming from the intermediate.  Training is going well.   I have an option to do a half ironman 6 weeks out from the ironman or an olympic distance 7 weeks out.  Is 6 weeks out to close? I'm worried about losing training with a taper and recovery.

What are your thoughts??  Thanks in advance!



2013-01-14 4:51 PM
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I have no done this yet, but will between Texas 70.3 and IMTX. The locals typically use the 70.3 to iron out any wrinkles in their game plan. I will do the same!
2013-01-14 5:27 PM
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I'm also doing the Fink plan and have been considering a HIM five weeks before I do IMCDA.  Right now, I'm leaning towards not doing the HIM. 

I figure recovery could take two or three days at least and I might not be 100% for a week (I'm 53).  That would wipe out one of the last two peak weeks of training before taper.  If I had one extra week, as you do, I think I would be more likely to go for the HIM.

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Consider using the OLY as one of your high effort brick workouts.  Its another race to work on fine tuning your transitions and nutrition without the anxiousness of an A race.  This is the kind of race you enjoy from your first swim stroke to the last stride.  Good luck.
2013-01-14 6:01 PM
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I have done the HIM six weeks before an IM two times in the past and will be doing it a third time this year.  No issues.
2013-01-14 9:53 PM
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My coach suggests 6 weeks before IM is the perfect time to do a HIM in our 16 week training program.   I'm doing the same thing (I'm also doing Oly 7 weeks before...  and will augment with a medium ride after the race)


2013-01-15 10:14 AM
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Much prefer the oly 7 weeks out.  Many do a HIM in the 6-week time frame you are looking at, but it's not 'ideal' for the exact reasons that concern you.  As long as you are comfortable with the distances (and if you are doing the training, you should be) then there is little value to be gained by doing a HIM during IM training.
2013-01-22 6:48 PM
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The last 2 years I did Augusta 70.3 before IMFL.  One year was 6 weeks out and last year was 5 weeks out. Worked out well although the 6 weeks was better.

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2013-01-22 6:48 PM
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The last 2 years I did Augusta 70.3 before IMFL.  One year was 6 weeks out and last year was 5 weeks out. Worked out well although the 6 weeks was better.

Duane

2013-01-23 1:14 AM
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What about a HIM, then 6 weeks later a HIM, then 6 weeks later a full IM  ?

Also have crits/time trials etc. to do in the off weeks :p

I've signed up for the first HIM and the full IM, but am not sure about the second HIM quite yet.....  would like a busy race season though :p
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I'm also doing the Half 6 weeks out and Olympic 7 weeks out. My plan is to do the Olympic quite hard, 90-95% effort, and do the Half Ironman at around 75-85%, especially keeping my run (21.1) pace solid without pushing the limits. I'm also going to use the Half as a nice solid training run with the thought of "pacing" and not "racing."   If all goes to plan and I pull up well then a semi long run with 4 weeks to go and a semi long ride 3 weeks out from IM are on the cards. All determined though on how the body is feeling at the time.



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If the half will represent the type of environment you will experience in IM then do it. I have done a 70.3 6 weeks before IM Lou for past 2 years. Both the HIM and IM is in KY so I get to train in the heat, hills and sun. You get to really test your pace, nutrition and gauge your fitness for final push and it gives you an idea of time for IM (HIM time x2 plus 1 hr). If anything do the HIM at a slower pace and take it as a long ez training day and mental building day. OLY wont be near as beneficial physically and mentally as a HIM would be.
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cmsamp3 - 2013-01-30 11:15 PM

OLY wont be near as beneficial physically and mentally as a HIM would be.

Racing an oly will be MORE beneficial physically than doing a slow, ez HIM.  Pacing & nutrition in an HIM, while important, do not correlate with pacing & nutrition in an IM. 

Racing a HIM is a good fitness guage, as you mention.  But racing one 6 weeks out tends to be more disruptive to IM training than is optimal at that stage.  Many people do this and are 'fine' with it, so anyone who feels better doing it this way has lots of company.

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Duanerice - 2013-01-22 6:48 PM

The last 2 years I did Augusta 70.3 before IMFL.  One year was 6 weeks out and last year was 5 weeks out. Worked out well although the 6 weeks was better.

Duane

This year is 4-5 weeks.  I'm flip flopping back and forth if I should do Augusta before IMFL this year.  I did Augusta last year.  According to the Fink competive plan, I have several key workouts that I don't want to miss.  Plus the fear of having a freak accident and having only 4 weeks to recover is on my mind. 

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GAUG3 - 2013-01-31 10:41 AM
Duanerice - 2013-01-22 6:48 PM

The last 2 years I did Augusta 70.3 before IMFL.  One year was 6 weeks out and last year was 5 weeks out. Worked out well although the 6 weeks was better.

Duane

This year is 4-5 weeks.  I'm flip flopping back and forth if I should do Augusta before IMFL this year.  I did Augusta last year.  According to the Fink competive plan, I have several key workouts that I don't want to miss.  Plus the fear of having a freak accident and having only 4 weeks to recover is on my mind. 

There's little good reason to be doing a HIM 4 weeks out from an IM.  If you are at all worried about it, skip it.

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Physically yes an oly might be beneficial bc of higher physical output but the overall benefits that doing a 70.3 before full is more than just doing an oly. 70.3 gives u a clear lens if body and overall race plan (physically, mentally and nutritionally) is prepared/ right for ur body and fitness. It will reveal what u need to really focus on for last build to prepare u. For my first IM back in 2011 my 2nd triathlon was a 70.3 6 wks before IMLOU. This 70.3 was on IM bike course and was hotter than hell. I hit goal time and stuck to plan. I built huge mental confidence going into IM knowing I can finish and that my nutrition/hydration was right with the distance and heat. Recovered well and IMLOu was huge success. I always now do an 70.3 in may (give me a glimpse of where fitness is, and one in July 6-7 wks before IM LOU. That last 70.3 now shows me gauge of how fast I can push it and still survive. Went 12:51 in 11', 11:17 in 12'. This plan works for me though. Doesn't mean it will work for everyone.


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cmsamp3 - 2013-01-31 3:14 PM Physically yes an oly might be beneficial bc of higher physical output but the overall benefits that doing a 70.3 before full is more than just doing an oly. 70.3 gives u a clear lens if body and overall race plan (physically, mentally and nutritionally) is prepared/ right for ur body and fitness. It will reveal what u need to really focus on for last build to prepare u. For my first IM back in 2011 my 2nd triathlon was a 70.3 6 wks before IMLOU. This 70.3 was on IM bike course and was hotter than hell. I hit goal time and stuck to plan. I built huge mental confidence going into IM knowing I can finish and that my nutrition/hydration was right with the distance and heat. Recovered well and IMLOu was huge success. I always now do an 70.3 in may (give me a glimpse of where fitness is, and one in July 6-7 wks before IM LOU. That last 70.3 now shows me gauge of how fast I can push it and still survive. Went 12:51 in 11', 11:17 in 12'. This plan works for me though. Doesn't mean it will work for everyone.

As I said, many people feel the same as you.  And racing a HIM is very different than going ez and using it as a 'training' day.  If you are going to do an HIM, I always belive you should do the former.  If doing so is going to compromise your IM training, then I always believe you should pass on the HIM. 

The mental benefits can be achieved for most people simply by doing a race sim in training.  And the pacing, nutrition testing is certainly better done that way.  Using an HIM to test your IM race plan is folly (even if you 'think' it worked).  It does test your fitness and race experience is always useful.  But, in that regard, an oly or sprint also 'works'.  If the confidence of completing an HIM is critical to your IM prep, then you should consider doing one as you have done before.  Just remember, this can backfire too.

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I agree with JohnnyKay. My first two years I did a bunch of races. Sprints/Oly... This year I'm doing two about 4 months apart.

The money I could spend od'ing on event's I spent on 1) nice vacation 2) some cool tri-toys. 

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