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2006-06-30 9:13 AM

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Subject: Clydesdale Gripe...
Ok.. So i'm a clyde... I love being a Clyde.. I am proud to be a Clyde..

Check out the pictures from my latest race.. three of me in the race and one of the 1st place clyde getting his trophy...

just sayin....

http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/photos/photo-thumbnails.as...

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2006-06-30 9:18 AM
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I'm right there with ya Will.  Being tall, barely over 200, and ripped like a pro athlete is not being a Clyde, IMHO.  I still wouldn't win anything if these guys were forced to race age group, but I just think it is funny that these guys are registering as "clydes."  Take a look at me, at guys like Michael Pate...those of us out there huffing and puffing and happy to see the finish line at ANY speed....now, THAT is a clyde!
2006-06-30 9:27 AM
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What about those of us who are "tweeners"? I'm 5'9" with an optimal weight of 190. I can't compete with these wispy little jackrabbits in my AG, but if I put on 10 to race Clydes, well, it wouldn't be pretty. Oh well.
2006-06-30 9:32 AM
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2006-06-30 9:34 AM
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2006-06-30 9:38 AM
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Subject: RE: Clydesdale Gripe...
I totally agree with you.

They should do Clydesdale based on weight/height/AND BODY FAT%.

Come on, that guy who won 1st... what BS! He's ripped... not an example of what a clydesdale should be.

We had a guy in our tri group who was a clydesdale who looked like that guy, and of course he came in first everytime... but I thought it was just wrong that he kept winning in THAT category... because he was too fit!



2006-06-30 9:44 AM
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OldAg92 - 2006-06-30 9:18 AM

I'm right there with ya Will. Being tall, barely over 200, and ripped like a pro athlete is not being a Clyde, IMHO. I still wouldn't win anything if these guys were forced to race age group, but I just think it is funny that these guys are registering as "clydes." Take a look at me, at guys like Michael Pate...those of us out there huffing and puffing and happy to see the finish line at ANY speed....now, THAT is a clyde!


Amen Brother!

scoobysdad - 2006-06-30 9:27 AM
What about those of us who are "tweeners"? I'm 5'9" with an optimal weight of 190. I can't compete with these wispy little jackrabbits in my AG, but if I put on 10 to race Clydes, well, it wouldn't be pretty. Oh well.


I hear ya..
The thing is.. in my experiences.. my place in the clydes division is not too much higer numerically than it would be in my age group and sometimes it is lower.

I don't really have a HUGE problem with these guys... but it is fun to complain about .. hehe

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2006-06-30 9:49 AM
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2006-06-30 10:56 AM
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I am going to have to disagree here. The definition of a clydesdale is over 200 pounds, period. Until any other factor is legally brought into play, anyone over 200 pounds regardless of their fitness level, body fat percentage or experience can be excluded form the clydesdale group.
2006-06-30 2:15 PM
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cheesyincident - 2006-06-30 10:56 AM

I am going to have to disagree here. The definition of a clydesdale is over 200 pounds, period. Until any other factor is legally brought into play, anyone over 200 pounds regardless of their fitness level, body fat percentage or experience can be excluded form the clydesdale group.


So did we get you fired up about something enough to register and post or are have you created a new username to post anonymously?? only kidding..

I agree with you.. i'm not trying to run anyone out of competing as a clyde if they quailfy as over 200... I'm not even upset with the guy for entering as a clydesdale.. i just find a little humor in he and I being in the same division and that that division is based on weight.

I actually got to thinking about the clyde's group and wondered if it was in fact created for fit people who had gotten to the peak of their physical conditioning but were just too big to be able to compete against all the tiny folk instead of the firsttimer overweight peeps like myself.... maybe so.. i don't know..

maybe we need a new division called.. "The Pork Fat Division"

you aren't the dude in the photo are you? eek

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2006-06-30 3:04 PM
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maybe we need a new division called.. "The Pork Fat Division"



best idea ever.
2006-06-30 3:30 PM
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Check out some of the pictures from the 2005 Clydesdale World Games.

http://www.teamclydesdale.com/miamiphoto2005.htm

These are not out of shape people, or first-timers. They are world class athletes who happen to be over 200 pounds. Ain-Alar Juhanson weighs in at 209 pounds, and he WON Ironman Lanzarote in 2005.

Some races have multiple weight classes, so maybe under 200, 200-220, 220-250, over 250, stuff like that.

Some races, like all of the races in Western Canada, don't have weight classes at all :-(

2006-06-30 3:30 PM
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You didn't get that first place guy's phone number, did you??

KIDDING, sorry, happily married woman here ... to a guy who's 6'8", 215 lbs. He might be thin, but it wouldn't be fair for him to race the little wiry guys. He's carrying around a whole lot more skeleton, and no amount of fitness will ever take away that handicap in an endurance event.

I do see what you mean, though. Doesn't seem like a fair fight.
2006-06-30 7:22 PM
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Heres my theory. If your over a certain weight it is tougher to run and it is tougher to bike. Anytime you are hauling aroung the extra weight it makes it difficult, weather you are in shape or not. Keep in mind I weigh 250 pounds so I am definetily a clydesdale by any definition. But, if they have the classification and the cut-off is 200 pounds, then that is what it is. That said I would love to see a uber clydesdale division, say 240+.
2006-06-30 7:54 PM
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The first tri I ever did had the clyde cut-off at 220 lbs. There were only 5 of us....out of a race of about 300. I placed 3rd - the first and only race I've ever placed in! I won a coffee mug!

The next year they had dropped the clyde weight to 210 and they field quadrupled! For the next 4 years I raced this same race and never again got any where near the front.

But it doesn't really matter. I don't race to win. I race to beat the man I was last year not to brag that I beat some one who is smaller and more athletic than I am.

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2006-06-30 8:46 PM
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Nobody's saying that the guy did anything illegal or should have been excluded.  He fit the category within the rules at that time.

On the other hand, there is a huge difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.  The category was made for a reason, and I'm going to venture a guess and say that it was NOT created for guys like that to compete in.

He has every right to compete as a Clyde if that's what he qualifies as.  It's his decision and something he has to live with.

cheesyincident - 2006-06-30 10:56 AM I am going to have to disagree here. The definition of a clydesdale is over 200 pounds, period. Until any other factor is legally brought into play, anyone over 200 pounds regardless of their fitness level, body fat percentage or experience can be excluded form the clydesdale group.

2006-06-30 9:30 PM
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I think you should be allowed to blood dope if you are over 25% body fat...... to even things up

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And what about us Athenas? Many races go as low as 140. Puhlease......
2006-07-01 5:38 AM
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I too am a clydesdale, and at a few races have seen some of the "clydes" who placed higher than me and wondered how. I am 6'02 weigh about 210 and am in pretty decent shape and have seen some 5'09 guys smaller than me that I would like to see step on a scale. Conversely the overall winner, Pro Triathlete Greg Remaly who won Memphis in May would Qualify as a Clyde if he raced, so I guess I just have to tri harder.
2006-07-01 10:45 AM
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waskelton - 2006-06-30 2:15 PM
cheesyincident - 2006-06-30 10:56 AM I am going to have to disagree here. The definition of a clydesdale is over 200 pounds, period. Until any other factor is legally brought into play, anyone over 200 pounds regardless of their fitness level, body fat percentage or experience can be excluded form the clydesdale group.
So did we get you fired up about something enough to register and post or are have you created a new username to post anonymously?? only kidding.. I agree with you.. i'm not trying to run anyone out of competing as a clyde if they quailfy as over 200... I'm not even upset with the guy for entering as a clydesdale.. i just find a little humor in he and I being in the same division and that that division is based on weight. I actually got to thinking about the clyde's group and wondered if it was in fact created for fit people who had gotten to the peak of their physical conditioning but were just too big to be able to compete against all the tiny folk instead of the firsttimer overweight peeps like myself.... maybe so.. i don't know.. maybe we need a new division called.. "The Pork Fat Division" you aren't the dude in the photo are you? eek Will

Actually, that picture is me....JUST KIDDING.  I am barely 200, 6'3" and 11.7%+ body fat.  I have decided not to enter as a Clyde anymore, even though technically, I qualify for this division.  In the past 2 races I competed in, I would have taken first in the division by more than 8 minutes.  In the last race I would have taken third by 10 seconds.  As much as I would like to bring home a trophy or medal, I would not feel good about winning by more than 8 minutes.  Here is how I look at it.  I check out the entry list to see names of top clydes that I know, and see their time from last year's race.  If they are fast, then I will enter as a CLYDE just for that race.  If I get down to 195 or 197, I will not put on weight intentionally just to race that division.  Believe me, it is much easier to run fast if I am under 200lbs as opposed to being 217lbs when I started this whole triathlon thing 5 years ago!



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I am right around 200 lbs. but at 6' 2" not much body fat, and at last Sunday's Oly my time of 2:27 would have placed me second in the Clyde division...I was 24/60 in my age group....I have never raced Clyde even when I was well over 200, I just didn't think I belonged there exactly because of what your pictures show...
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at 6'4" 250lbs...totally ripped Clydes me off!!!!
I was talking with a race director a couple of weeks ago and he suggested that an "Orca" division may be in play for a local tri next year...

He was not referring to a division for those who wear Orca wetsuits...

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waskelton - 2006-06-30 2:15 PM

i just find a little humor in he and I being in the same division and that that division is based on weight. I actually got to thinking about the clyde's group and wondered if it was in fact created for fit people who had gotten to the peak of their physical conditioning but were just too big to be able to compete against all the tiny folk instead of the firsttimer overweight peeps like myself.... maybe so.. i don't know.. maybe we need a new division called.. "The Pork Fat Division" you aren't the dude in the photo are you? eek Will

An Athena here - I think the reason for the division is that it makes it a differant race to move more weight the same distance.  My friend Annie smokes me on all but the swim, and I tease her about having to wear a 60 lb pack next time and we will see what's what. 

I don't think the Clyde/Athena division was created for the first timers overweight peep.  But it has taken on the name of a spirit of determination for us.  We find commaradarie and inspiration.    A clyde is big and powerful and Athena is a goddess, ergo we rock!  Good for morale, good inpiration for reaching our goals.  Good inspiration for those on the couch still that they too can get out there and do it!  That is what we feel is the spirit of the division, and of the sport itself. 

When I see a super fit Athena - I just see inspiration.  I will never be less than 140, but I CAN be 150 and well trained.

How about a PORKFAT race - we can organize a race where you HAVE to be carrying at least a certain percentage of fat, either on your person or in a pack of porkfat!

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This is my first year doing triathlons. I started out in the "superclyde" arena - (335lbs) and am now around 260. Lots more weight to go for me. (plus I've got a 70.3 in november!)

It really frosts me that in all but 1 race there has not been a weigh-in for the clyde division. Maybe this is the norm (no weight check). I have NO problem with a 200.0000001 pound guy winning the clyde division -- but I would bet money some of these guys aren't over 200. Hopefull when I get to 4th place none of the guys ahead of me are borderline -- but I'm going to worry about that when I get there.

That being said right now my race is always against the clock. If only 3 people enter the clyde division and I do a 2 hour sprint, I'd be pissed, even though I got a medal. I broke 1:30 in a sprint a week ago and took 17 out of 37. I was VERY happy with my run time, and reasonably pleased with my swim and bike.

To mitigate that off factor for me with the borderline guys, I am going to enter more races with the 225 plus category, and shoot for top 3s in those divisions. (look out west point lake, here I come!)

Just my 38 cents
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