LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2
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2013-02-12 10:23 AM |
Veteran 667 asheville, nc | Subject: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 I'm more posting this for anyone else who may encounter this issue in the future. I just got this bike for christmas and this weekend took it for a ride which included the steepest climb I'd done on it yet. This route in general had more climbing than I'd ever taken it on before and I started noticing some squeeking early on, but not badly enough to be concerned. But then I hit the big climb about 10 miles in. The screeching got so loud I could only make it about a half mile up the hill. The hill was around an 8-10% grade so I was powering it pretty strongly and the screeching was happening on every push of the pedal. I hopped off several times to look at it and could not for the life of me figure out the problem. When I was off the bike the crank spun fine, the wheel spun freely, but as soon as I started climbing again the screeching resumed. What I wound up figuring out, I thought this was a crazy thought but mentioned it at the shop, was due to the extremely tiny space between the tire and the frame, could I possibly be pushing the tire into the frame? Sure enough, that's what happened. I was applying so much power, combined with the grade of the road putting more of my weight on the back wheel, I was flexing the wheel into the frame, which was causing the screeching. There was an obvious mark on the frame from the tire rubbing. A quick adjustment later and the problem was fixed. Also made me feel good that I made it even a half mile up that hill with a ton of tire rubbing as well. I just thought I'd share this experience in case anyone else encounters this issue in the future, and they'll be able to fix it on the road. |
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2013-02-12 11:52 AM in reply to: #4618936 |
Member 61 San Jose | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 was this a result of the QR not being tight enough,or did you need to back out the adjusters in the drop outs? I know on my 2007 DA, if the adjusters are too close, i can catch a rock between the tire and the frame (scared the crap out of me!) So now I run a larger gap between wheel and frame. Either way, good catch! |
2013-02-12 11:56 AM in reply to: #4618936 |
Master 2855 Kailua, Hawaii | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 Yes, this happened to me when I first got my P2. If the skewer clamp isn't tight enough you can suck the wheel into the frame. There's a few things I learned. 1. Cervelo designed that frame to use a certain profile tire, some tires, are higher profile and may rub on the frame. Such as Continental tires. 2. You can strip the threads in the dropout for the wheel stop screws if the skewer clamp isn't tight enough. 3. you can get bigger screws to extend the stop for higher profile tires (but I don't use the stops) |
2013-02-12 1:07 PM in reply to: #4618936 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 Yep, figured this one out too when I put the race wheels on the P2 for the first time. Spent quite a bit of time figuring out there were adjustor screws |
2013-02-12 1:24 PM in reply to: #4619121 |
Veteran 667 asheville, nc | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 The guy at the shop just backed the screws away a bit. I'll find out on my next ride if it was enough. I have stock everything down there so I would've thought it would be good to go with the space. But I probably weigh a bit more than the average triathlete(~200 lbs) and i was applying a good bit of power. Given how little space the leave in there I guess it's not too surprising that it happened. Just glad it happened while training cause my first race coming up has a vicious 2.2 mile climb so it would've been a real bummer to have discovered this then.
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2013-02-12 1:49 PM in reply to: #4619327 |
Master 2855 Kailua, Hawaii | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 when I first found out, I wrote Cervelo, and they sent me longer adjuster screws. However I found that if I made sure the skewer was tight enough, the problem didn't occur.
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2013-02-12 1:52 PM in reply to: #4619369 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 I agree. Have to check the spacing every time you replace tires, swap wheels, etc... Also make sure wheel is all the way in the dropouts. Many times you don't know it unless you are doing a big out of the saddle effort which twists the frame just enough to get the tire to rub. |
2013-02-12 1:56 PM in reply to: #4619378 |
Veteran 134 Murfreesboro, TN | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 ditto ditto ditto - This also occurs on the P3 as well. Be sure to have our multi-tool of a very small screw driver to adjust the screws. Be careful, as they will fall out. |
2013-02-12 2:06 PM in reply to: #4618936 |
Master 1420 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 The other thing it could be is a rock wedged in your wheel well. Happened to a friend of mine. He pulled off the back wheel, got the rock out and the bike stopped making the noise. |
2013-02-12 3:15 PM in reply to: #4619369 |
Veteran 667 asheville, nc | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 metafizx - 2013-02-12 2:49 PM when I first found out, I wrote Cervelo, and they sent me longer adjuster screws. However I found that if I made sure the skewer was tight enough, the problem didn't occur.
I didn't realize that. So you're really supposed to place the wheel in as deep/shallow as you want without pushing it into those screws? |
2013-02-12 4:07 PM in reply to: #4618936 |
Veteran 362 CT | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 I probably have more of a space there than I need but I have a fear of catching a rock and jamming it into the frame. When I first got the bike and took it out on wet rides I could hear the rubbing and it drove me nuts. Now I ride worry free! |
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2013-02-12 4:14 PM in reply to: #4618936 |
Elite 5145 Cleveland | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 RookieIM - 2013-02-12 11:23 AM LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2
Stop Bike. Check for Cat.
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2013-02-12 6:59 PM in reply to: #4619412 |
Veteran 363 Alta | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 Happened to me as well. The first ride after winter, there was still wet sand on the road and I ended up sucking up a bunch of stuff and putting a pretty decent gouge in my P2. Now, I make sure I use a lower profile tire until the sand has been washed off of the road. |
2013-02-12 7:07 PM in reply to: #4619566 |
1660 | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 RookieIM - 2013-02-12 3:15 PM metafizx - 2013-02-12 2:49 PM when I first found out, I wrote Cervelo, and they sent me longer adjuster screws. However I found that if I made sure the skewer was tight enough, the problem didn't occur.
I didn't realize that. So you're really supposed to place the wheel in as deep/shallow as you want without pushing it into those screws?
Cant' stress how important that bold statement is above.
I was shocked at how not well known this crucial point was when I bought my P2c in 2008. Had the same problem you did, and here and on ST, lots of folks were talking about those little screws, replacements, etc.
However, the wheel is held in place by the TIGHT QR skewer. Give it a good amount of force to lock it down. If it's loose, the wheel gets sucked forward and you'll strip those little screws. Those screws are simply there to help center the wheel BEFORE you lock down the skewer.
You can't put the wheel too shallow as the brake pads will hit the tire and erode it (happened to me). THe wheel should pretty much be nearly all the way in, with only a small gap (like 5mm) beteween the frame and the wheel. And have that QR clamped down hard. |
2013-02-12 8:49 PM in reply to: #4619854 |
Veteran 236 Inland Empire, CA | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 +1 on that. the screws are there to help center the back wheel and ensure that it is straight. you still need to clamp down the QR tightly to keep things from moving around. |
2013-02-12 10:05 PM in reply to: #4618936 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 It's worth mentioning why tightening the qr skewer on a tri bike is so critical. On a road bike you'll notice the qr release opening is on the bottom, on a tri bike towards the back. So there's more force pulling at the wheel to come off on a tri bike than across bike. |
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2013-02-13 6:30 AM in reply to: #4618936 |
Veteran 550 austin, Texas | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 This has happened to me as well. I found that I don't even rest the bike against the screws anymore, I get the wheel in the right position (not against the back of the frame and not against the side of the frame) and then make sure the skewer is all the way tight and the wheel doesn't move. A trick my LBS taught me is using one hand "pull" both sides of the frame together (you'll need to hold one part of the frame with your thumb, reach your fingers through the spokes and then pull the other side of the frame with your fingers) as you tighten the skewer. This allows you to tighten it a bit more and prevent the wheel shifting from happening. If it makes you feel better, the first time this happened was when i rented a set of Zipp 808s for my first HIM. I got off the bike to look at the back wheel at least 3x in the first few miles before I figured out what was happening. |
2013-02-13 7:08 AM in reply to: #4620051 |
Regular 78 Niddatal, Germany | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-13 5:05 AM It's worth mentioning why tightening the qr skewer on a tri bike is so critical. On a road bike you'll notice the qr release opening is on the bottom, on a tri bike towards the back. So there's more force pulling at the wheel to come off on a tri bike than across bike. Not always. Some tri bikes have horizontal dropouts, some have vertical ones, just like road bikes. |
2013-02-13 8:27 AM in reply to: #4620229 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: LOUD screaching from rear wheel on Cervelo P2 RGos - 2013-02-13 8:08 AM On a Cervelo...BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-02-13 5:05 AM It's worth mentioning why tightening the qr skewer on a tri bike is so critical. On a road bike you'll notice the qr release opening is on the bottom, on a tri bike towards the back. So there's more force pulling at the wheel to come off on a tri bike than across bike. Not always. Some tri bikes have horizontal dropouts, some have vertical ones, just like road bikes. |