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I just did a marathon for a new PR for myself of 3:15. I would like to BQ someday. Even just focusing on running there is no way I could ever run a 3:05 marathon. This got me to thinking as I approach the next age group in the next two years. Considering I am in very good shape now and am generally FOMOP but not quite fast enough to qualify for Boston or Kona, is it possible to quality when one gets older?

I realize I will get slower as I age, so will I always just be not fast enough? Wondering if anyone was in shape when they were younger and didn't slow much as they aged and were able to qualify 40 or 50+?


2013-02-17 5:43 PM
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I don't have the answer for you, but I've often wondered the same thing.   Are the KQ contested by the same group of AGers as the age up, or how realistic is it for someone new to break into that group.  Either because they are new to the sport, or because they worked on it just that much more at some point in time and broke into the group that contests KQ slots.  Not sure if its exactly the same for BQ, since that is a time cut off and, as I understand it, not limited by number of slots.  The feat may be similar though.
2013-02-17 5:50 PM
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The problem with KQ'ing and the older AGs (45+) is that there are very few slots available in those groups. The M30-34, M35-39, and M40-44 AGs take up nearly 40% of the slots at any given race. There might only be two or three slots available in something like the M50-54 AG. That means you have to win, place or show to even have a chance.
2013-02-17 6:01 PM
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maximyus - 2013-02-17 5:39 PM I just did a marathon for a new PR for myself of 3:15. I would like to BQ someday. Even just focusing on running there is no way I could ever run a 3:05 marathon. This got me to thinking as I approach the next age group in the next two years. Considering I am in very good shape now and am generally FOMOP but not quite fast enough to qualify for Boston or Kona, is it possible to quality when one gets older? I realize I will get slower as I age, so will I always just be not fast enough? Wondering if anyone was in shape when they were younger and didn't slow much as they aged and were able to qualify 40 or 50+?

 

Nice PR.  Why do you think you could not drop 10 mins?

2013-02-17 6:26 PM
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I think KQ is harder, though i have done neither. I also think you COULD possibly run 3:05, unless you are unemployed and spend all day being the best marathoner possible. Either way, both are great accomplishments.
2013-02-17 6:51 PM
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If you live to be 90 and can still do the distance in either race, you will likely qualify.  

Does it get easier?  That's a measure for each person to take.  Up until about 50-54 (my AG) you will see quite a few guys who can still play.  

Then look at the 55-59 AG....that's where it starts to slide off....probably due to injury and age. What you are left with is playing the odds.  Can you last without injury?  If you can, you'll make it by attrition in alot of cases.....but that's the deal...can you outlast the normalcy of your age?  

To me, all you can do is keep going.........you'll find out soon enough if your efforts are good enough.



2013-02-17 7:02 PM
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BQ times I think are slanted for older folks, it becomes "easier" as you get older
2013-02-17 7:05 PM
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For Boston, one thing to consider is the qualifying period for the race.  Your BQ time is based on your age on race day.  The Qualifying period begins 18 months before the race.  

So if you pick a fall marathon to run when you are 39, your BQ time will be the 40-44 time.

I BQ'd at age 39 in November 2011, but will be doing Boston this spring at age 41 (birthday in January

2013-02-17 7:16 PM
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Only way I'm gonna qualify for either is if there's no-one else in the age group!  My best friend is in my age group and she is WAY faster so unless she stops it ain't gonna happen.  She's on IM no. 12....every year she says no more....

2013-02-17 7:45 PM
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If you can run a 3:15 then you can run a 3:05. I know it sounds like a big jump, but with proper training it can be done. Same thing with a KQ - there aren't any short cuts. It takes consistency and training almost every day, even when you don't feel like it. Take a look at my progress in my training logs - I'm shooting for a KQ this season, which is my 4th year in the sport. There are some days that I'd much rather do something else, but I have a goal and know that work needs to be done to achieve that goal, some of which will hurt (but it's a good hurt!).
2013-02-18 9:38 AM
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Yes, it can absolutely be done. In fact, I fully expect to continue getting faster as my base continues to grow. I was a competitive athlete in college (nothing to do with swim, bike, or run) and decided at the age of 40 I needed to run to get in better shape. I did my first tri that fall at the age of 40. 4 years later I KQ'd racing at 45 and I'm shooting for another KQ this year with a race age of 48.

It's all about being consistent and a lot of hard work.


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I was just thinking along these lines the other day. I ran a BQ time a couple of years ago but have not attempted a KQ.  I do pretty well in my AG for triathlon and figure there will be fewer competitors as I get older. My thinking is that KQ may be easier simply due to attrition, unless I am one of its victims.
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maximyus - 2013-02-17 5:39 PM I just did a marathon for a new PR for myself of 3:15. I would like to BQ someday. Even just focusing on running there is no way I could ever run a 3:05 marathon. This got me to thinking as I approach the next age group in the next two years. Considering I am in very good shape now and am generally FOMOP but not quite fast enough to qualify for Boston or Kona, is it possible to quality when one gets older? I realize I will get slower as I age, so will I always just be not fast enough? Wondering if anyone was in shape when they were younger and didn't slow much as they aged and were able to qualify 40 or 50+?

 

Nice PR.  Why do you think you could not drop 10 mins?

x2. When they changed the qualifying times I had to drop my time by almost 10 minutes to ensure a BQ. I'm 51 next week. Getting faster doesn't seem any easier as I get older. It's still all about training hard, smart, and staying healthy. More so at 50+ since it does take longer to recover, like it or not.

2013-02-18 10:56 AM
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You can drop 10 mins over the next year. Get out there and get training. So far im still managing to get faster as I age although I know some day it will stop.
2013-02-18 11:17 PM
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Assuming that your time-frame is less than 20 years, so Left Brain's solution is too long to wait. KQ is going to be really tough for the next few AGs, as its a far harder bar to cross than a BQ, and the number of competitors goes up as you hit the 35-45 AGs, as more guys with time or income or mid-life crises come into the sport.

I agree with the other posters who say that you shouldn't rule out a BQ in your current AG. Run lots of miles, and be as lean as possible, and you might surprise yourself. But BQ probably does get a bunch easier as you get older (in my opinion). And if you can avoid injury (a big if -- that gets harder as you age), then you won't slow as much as you might think. I ran a BQ with 2 minutes to spare when I was 27, and recently ran a BQ with 25 minutes to spare, based on the 45-49 standards. I don't have the high-end speed that I had in my 20s, and I have to be more careful about injury avoidance, but I feel that my endurance is little different than it was when I was younger.

2013-02-19 6:29 AM
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Runner Rick - 2013-02-17 8:05 PM

For Boston, one thing to consider is the qualifying period for the race.  Your BQ time is based on your age on race day.  The Qualifying period begins 18 months before the race.  

So if you pick a fall marathon to run when you are 39, your BQ time will be the 40-44 time.

I BQ'd at age 39 in November 2011, but will be doing Boston this spring at age 41 (birthday in January

I did this when I was 39 as well. BQ'd for AG 40-44. That was the next to the last marathon I ran. Now I am getting ready to turn 59 and plan on running a marathon this year to BQ for next years race in the 60-64 AG. Looking for the fastest flattest course to squeak in there.

I have pretty much given up on my IM goals but hoping to qualify for AG Championships in the HIM in 2014 as well. I will look for a HIM that historically has a low number of women age 60-64 for my qualifier. (Hey, whatever works)



2013-02-19 8:40 AM
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I wasn't in great running shape when I was younger (marathon PR of 3:58 at age 36), but I got faster, and qualified for Boston when I turned 50, with a 3:34. I've no doubt I can better that time now, even though I just turned 54, so I'll probably take a shot at another BQ this year or next. My takeaway? Most people can improve, at least relative to their AG, as they get older. Simply because a person is now FOMOP, BOMOP, or whatever, doesn't mean they need to stay there.

As others have correctly pointed out, Kona qualifying and Boston qualifying are very different animals. For a BQ, you can prepare and race for the time goal. The standard is selective, but attainable for almost any dedicated athlete who's willing to put in the time. For Kona, you've got to be one of the best in your AG on a national level -- period -- that's a much higher standard. That shouldn't discourage you from trying to get to Kona, if that's your goal. Just go into it with realistic expectations and be prepared to pay the price.

And congrats on the 3:15 -- a solid time for anybody!

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2013-02-19 3:24 PM
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I bet that most people with a KQ between 25-40 could easily transition into a few run specific months and get a BQ. Since you are obviously strong on the run, I am sure that you could. Train towards the KQ before you hit the really competetive AGs: 30-40 and find another winter marathon.
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