'The' Gun Thread (Page 3)

tuwood - Now for long range slug or bird shooting, I have no clue how it compares, but don't care. 

I took a deer the last two seasons with a Mossberg 500. Both were does for the freezer. Smooth bore 28" barrel, Improved Cylinder choke. Remington Slugger 1oz. rifled slugs.

I'm confident with it out to 65yds.  Where I hunt, I don't have a shot over 50yds.

(What's the TOS for posting photos of harvested game close up?)

How have you picked out your gun dogs?  This one seemed like she picked us.

Also, how have you introduced your gun dogs to gun fire?

I always take along someone else and we get all the pups in a yard.  Then we get them a bit wound up by playing with them and rolling them around, etc.....then we start making noise...loud hand claps, banging on trash can lids, whatever we can do.....the one that's left after all the racket is the dog I take home.  They just seem have the temperament I'm looking for.  Calm, playful, and full of energy no matter what.

Funny story....the dog I have now has her HRC title.....the day after I brought her home we had a new roof put on the house.  The guys hand nailed the new roof.....that puppy slept right through it.  I knew she was the right dog that day.

I introduce a gun dog to live fire with another person, and while they are doing something they truly love to do....be it playing frisbee, retrieving dummy's, whatever.  The dog I have now LOVES the water.  I did her introduction while she was swimming.

Have a partner stand a couple hundred yards away.  Get your pup playing and have him/her fire off a round.  The pup will most likely look that direction and then continue to play.  If it continues to play, do it again with your partner 10 yards closer.  If the reaction is the same do it again....stop at 150 yards the first day and start there the next day.  Move up 50 yards each day and always start where you left off the next day.  By day 5 you should be able to stand and shoot over her.  IF the reaction changes at any 10 yard interval, go backwards until pup is still playing, repeat at that distance a few times and then start to move forward again. 

I usually wait until they are about 20 weeks old before introduction.....keep sessions no longer than 20 minutes.

Great advice. Thanks!

The order of importance for this dog is to be a great family pet that can hunt, vs a great hunter that can be a good family pet, if that makes sense.  It's one reason why I settled on springers.

I got her from a kennel that breeds some six or so different gun dogs. The pups hear gun fire in the womb from the clay fields and hunting preserve that's part of the operation.

We spent two days there this weekend. They let eight puppies out of the room and this one walked right up to my 7yo and sat on his lap.  His older brother and I both took to her right away.  I considered a different dog that first day and then another the second day, but came back to this first one.

Plus she sat when the 7yo said "hup"! Obviously coincidence, but I took it as an omen. She doesn't need to be a field trial champion for me, so I guess I was looking for that bond between the boys and her.  

I've got all of my training resources lined up.  Just trying to decide now between a starter pistol that takes .22 blanks and one that takes 209 primers. Thoughts on that?

We had a vizsla that died back in June at the age of 13. She would have made a great gun dog. Very birdy. I got back into hunting too late to train her though. So this will be my first crack at training a gun dog.

All good stuff.....that hound in the picture is a house dog...she sleeps in my kid's beds and goes from room to room during the night. 

I'm of the opinion that you can have both a great gun dog and a fantastic part of our family....ours is certainly both.

Eh...as for .22 blanks or 209 primers....I don't think there is enough difference to worry about...use what is easiest to keep replenished would be my advice. 

The big thing with ALL training is to keep sessions short.  The FIRST time pup shows it's attention wandering......stop.  It's hard to do because YOU want more time with them if you really enjoy training....but you only end up frustrated.  It's all about patience.  I'm prolly preaching to the choir....sorry if that's the case.

dontracy - this is probably an excellent resource.  I only say "probably" because I have not used this particular book, "Gun Dog"....but I have used "Water Dog", also by Wolters, and it's a fantastic resource for a first time trainer. 

I can't imagine it wouldn't be money well spent and a good read while you wait for you pup.

http://www.amazon.com/Gun-Dog-Revolutionary-Training-Method/dp/0525245499

The patience advice is good for me to hear.  Thanks.

I'll check out that Wolters book.

Right now I've read through Roebuck's Gun-Dog Training Spaniels and Retrievers and Spencer's Hup! Training Flushing Spaniels the American Way.

My favorite so far is Roettger's Urban Gun Dogs: Training Flushing Dogs for Home and Field.  Beside having great practical advice for training within a densely populated area such as I'm in, I just love the title. Urban Gun Dog!

I'm thinking only half in jest that when some anti I'm bound to run into asks me what kind of dog my cute Lacy is I'll say, "Well my fine hipster friend, she's an urban gun dog"! 

How about a bumper sticker that says, "Protect the plight of the Urban Gun Dog, Protect the 2nd Amendment."

What's your protocol for lowering the hammer?

Well then you might want to read up on the new definitions in proposed legislation... because every firearm I own will be an assault weapon. And no, I do not have anything Class 3.

Guns Guns Guns Guns Guns Guns

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I found a great article while cleaning out my study about gun control that I found of great help and was informative some years ago.  I'm trying to figure out how to post it.  They may even have an updated version. 

I'm curious to see what people think about it.

The NRA has recruited youtuber Colion Noir to contribute to NRA News.

Here's the trailer. Worth a couple minutes, I think.

Here's Colion Noir's YouTube channel if you're interested in more.

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The Benelli Nova (bottom of the line pump) only retails for $400-500 .  Now the semi-autos don't get below $1000.

Next time your in a gun store, you could check out a Stoeger.  Semi-autos in the $500-600 range.  Stoeger is part of Benelli (which is part of Beretta), but I think they are made in Maryland, if that matters to you.

UNfortunetly, several of the Benelli semi-auto shotguns would be banned under the Feinstein "assualt weapons" ban.

The "assualt weapons ban" bans the following:

• All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.
• All semiautomatic pistols that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: threaded barrel; second pistol grip; barrel shroud; capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
• All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
• All semiautomatic shotguns that have a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; pistol grip; fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds; ability to accept a detachable magazine; forward grip; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; or shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
• All ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

Again, the "assualt weapons ban" bans more than "assualt weapons" it also bans certain shot guns and certain hand guns, and ultimately any magazine capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

It also bans after market equipment like thump hole stocks.

Additionally, the bill specifically excludes "firearms" legally owned and possesed at the time of the bills passage, but there is not similar grandfather clause for magazines over 10 rounds?  Hmmmmm.

So the way the bill is written, and I don't think it's a mistake or a simple oversight, my FNX9 would be legal, but arguably the 16 round magazine it came with wouldn't be.

Just so everyone is aware, the proposed definition of an assualt weapon is the followingregardless of calibre) "The term semi-automatic assualt weapon means a semi automatic rifle tat has the capacity to accept a detachable nagazine and any 1 of the following: (i) a pistol grip, (ii) a forward grip (iii) a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock, (iv) a grenade launcher or raocket launcher (v) a barrel shroud (vi) a threaded barrel."

It also defines certain semi automatic pistols and shotguns as "assualt weapons".

Also don't buy the rhetoric that the bill specifically exempts over 800 firearms from the bill.  If you take a look at the list of exempted firearms they are mostly bolt action or lever action rifles and modern copies of weapons like the Colt Navy hand gun.  Yup in essence they're saying they specifically exempted weapons whose technology pre-dates semi automatic firearm technology.

But hey, the Navy Arms 1874 High wall rifle is specifically exempted so I guess that's OK.

Anyone else snicker at the irony here?

Yes, I got a good chukle out of it!

Is that like a chuckle, but not quite?

I just got done with my North Carolina CCH training.  Two things I am annoyed by:

1.  Apparently the wait time to get an appointment to do the paperwork/finger printing/etc. at the Sheriff's office to actually apply for the permit is nearly three months.

2.  The places you aren't allowed to carry in NC are interesting.  The two that are most inconvenient for me are restaurants that serve alcohol and movie theaters.  I thoroughly enjoy going to movies and letting other people cook for me.

The wait is now up to 4 months here.

/facepalm to both, but especially #2.

FLORIDA RESIDENTS:

Two new bills have been introduced in your state:

1) SB 1670: Assault Weapons and Magazines
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2013/1670
Assault Weapons and Magazines; Prohibiting a person from manufacturing, importing, possessing, purchasing, selling, or transferring any assault weapon or large-capacity magazine; requiring the Department of Law Enforcement to provide every county sheriff with the training and forms necessary to perform background checks and register assault weapons and large-capacity magazines with the department; increasing criminal penalties for the possession or use of an assault weapon during the commission of certain specified offenses, etc.

2) SB 1678: Firearms
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2013/1678
Firearms; Requiring a 3-day waiting period for the sale of any firearm; prohibiting the sale of ammunition to a person who has not completed an anger-management program; requiring certification of completion of an anger-management program to be renewed every 10 years; providing criminal penalties, etc.

Sounds like the range here.  Tried to go with my husband for a few hours 2 weeks ago.  Would have been an hour or more wait just for a lane.  No guns on the shelves and ammo is limited to 2 boxes per person. 

Hmmm... the movie theater thing is interesting.  The restaurant thing is pretty common although in VA we recently passed a bill that allow CC in bar/restaurants as long as you are not consuming alcohol. 

That would be awesome... just as soon as they require the same for knives and base ball bats.

I have a hard time comprehending the ridiculousness behind some of these proposals.