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2013-03-18 5:26 PM |
Veteran 550 austin, Texas | Subject: Tires I'm tapering for IM and was out for my 2nd to last pre-race ride. I was feeling great until 4km from home when I ran over (invisible) glass, ripped the tire, popped my latex tube and barely avoided a wreck. I couldn't find a cab, so I had to do the walk of shame home in the rain. I've probably ridden about 750-1,000km on these Michelin Pro 4s with no flats, in generally pretty good conditions, over the past 8 weeks. I need to go to the LBS to pick up new tires this afternoon. What do I go with? Stick with the Pro4s or switch to Conti's? Not happy I need to put something new on this close to the race, but not much I can do about that. Do I replace the front / rear tire, or just the rear which ripped? Very glad it happened today and not on Sunday. Edited by matcrawf 2013-03-18 5:30 PM |
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2013-03-18 5:31 PM in reply to: #4665130 |
Member 796 Malvern, PA | Subject: RE: Tires Here is my advice re tires: 1. For "race ONLY" wheels, use Michelin PR4. 2. For everyday wheels, or ones that you race AND train on, use Conti GP4000s. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. |
2013-03-18 5:37 PM in reply to: #4665130 |
2013-03-19 2:25 AM in reply to: #4665130 |
Veteran 550 austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Tires Do you generally replace both tires at the same time? |
2013-03-19 5:00 AM in reply to: #4665130 |
Member 796 Malvern, PA | Subject: RE: Tires No unless both are worn. New tire goes on front. |
2013-03-19 6:30 AM in reply to: #4665130 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Tires You usually get about twice as many miles out of the front tire compared to the rear. Some people put the new tire on the front and switch the front to the rear; the thinking is of course that you want to have the best possible traction on the front (if the front slips, you go down, if the rear slips, you can most of the time stay upright) Personally, I replace the front every other time I replace the rear. |
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2013-03-19 6:37 AM in reply to: #4665130 |
Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Tires I was thinking wear is always worse on the rear tire, but when you made your crash note, I would have to agree. I've had 5 flats since I started commuting a lot, 3 rear, 2 front. The front ones did make slowing to a stop harder/less safe. Don't drop the big coin on gatorskins. I flatted once in 5 years on run of the mill tires and 3 times since I put the gatorskins on. (Gators are on my roadie. Tri bike has had 2 flats with about equal mileage.) |
2013-03-19 6:46 AM in reply to: #4665130 |
Extreme Veteran 1136 | Subject: RE: Tires Go with what you know at this point. New Pro4... keep the old one; it's still good. Make sure you get out for a ride on the new tire, and have fun in your race! |
2013-03-27 1:42 PM in reply to: #4665130 |
24 | Subject: RE: Tires I train and race on Conti 4000 would I gain anything by switching to MP4? |
2013-03-27 2:05 PM in reply to: #4676824 |
Elite 5145 Cleveland | Subject: RE: Tires axelle - 2013-03-27 2:42 PM I train and race on Conti 4000 would I gain anything by switching to MP4?
Just an "off the top of my head" guess, but I would expect not. I would think that any "gain" would be near immeasurable in real-world conditions and would primarily consist of individual perception & preference.
Basically -- Your Mileage May vary, as the saying goes. |
2013-03-28 5:45 AM in reply to: #4665138 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Tires datlas - 2013-03-18 5:31 PM Here is my advice re tires: 1. For "race ONLY" wheels, use Michelin PR4. 2. For everyday wheels, or ones that you race AND train on, use Conti GP4000s. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Out of curiosity, what advantage do the Michelin PR4s offer on "race ONLY" wheels above the Conti GP4000s? Why do you make this very specific recommendation? |
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2013-03-28 7:25 AM in reply to: #4677410 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Tires the bear - 2013-03-28 7:45 AM datlas - 2013-03-18 5:31 PM Here is my advice re tires: 1. For "race ONLY" wheels, use Michelin PR4. 2. For everyday wheels, or ones that you race AND train on, use Conti GP4000s. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Out of curiosity, what advantage do the Michelin PR4s offer on "race ONLY" wheels above the Conti GP4000s? Why do you make this very specific recommendation? You can get the PR4s with different colored side-walls to match your bike. |
2013-03-28 9:26 AM in reply to: #4677410 |
Expert 1394 Wilmington, NC | Subject: RE: Tires the bear - 2013-03-28 6:45 AM datlas - 2013-03-18 5:31 PM Here is my advice re tires: 1. For "race ONLY" wheels, use Michelin PR4. 2. For everyday wheels, or ones that you race AND train on, use Conti GP4000s. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Out of curiosity, what advantage do the Michelin PR4s offer on "race ONLY" wheels above the Conti GP4000s? Why do you make this very specific recommendation? ^^^^ x2 If I am picking a Race Only set of tires is is not going to be Michelin Pro race 4's. There are quite a few choices that have better crr and aerodynamics. Actually the Conti 4000s is a faster tire than the MPR4. |
2013-03-28 9:37 AM in reply to: #4677410 |
Member 796 Malvern, PA | Subject: RE: Tires the bear - 2013-03-28 5:45 AM datlas - 2013-03-18 5:31 PM Here is my advice re tires: 1. For "race ONLY" wheels, use Michelin PR4. 2. For everyday wheels, or ones that you race AND train on, use Conti GP4000s. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Out of curiosity, what advantage do the Michelin PR4s offer on "race ONLY" wheels above the Conti GP4000s? Why do you make this very specific recommendation? This is just opinion: The PR4 is slightly better performance. Slightly grippier. A teeny weeny bit better in the corners. Maybe slightly better road feel. However its rubber is softer and it wears out faster. It is also MUCH more prone to cuts and flats. The GP4000s are ALMOST as good as the Michelins, but they last much longer and are much more flat resistant. Now if you are riding a race course, it is likely very good pavement and it's only going to be 10, 25, 62 or at most 124 miles....and you are probably only doing this a few days/year. So if you have "race only" wheels it probably makes sense to use the PR4's and maybe even latex tubes. However if you are going to be training AND racing on the same wheelset (like most of us on a budget) the clear winner is GP4000s. I hope that helps. Edited by datlas 2013-03-28 9:38 AM |
2013-03-28 9:52 AM in reply to: #4677720 |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Tires datlas - 2013-03-28 9:37 AM the bear - 2013-03-28 5:45 AM datlas - 2013-03-18 5:31 PM Here is my advice re tires: 1. For "race ONLY" wheels, use Michelin PR4. 2. For everyday wheels, or ones that you race AND train on, use Conti GP4000s. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Out of curiosity, what advantage do the Michelin PR4s offer on "race ONLY" wheels above the Conti GP4000s? Why do you make this very specific recommendation? This is just opinion: The PR4 is slightly better performance. Slightly grippier. A teeny weeny bit better in the corners. Maybe slightly better road feel. However its rubber is softer and it wears out faster. It is also MUCH more prone to cuts and flats. The GP4000s are ALMOST as good as the Michelins, but they last much longer and are much more flat resistant. Now if you are riding a race course, it is likely very good pavement and it's only going to be 10, 25, 62 or at most 124 miles....and you are probably only doing this a few days/year. So if you have "race only" wheels it probably makes sense to use the PR4's and maybe even latex tubes. However if you are going to be training AND racing on the same wheelset (like most of us on a budget) the clear winner is GP4000s. I hope that helps. If you're racing a triathlon being slightly "grippier" is probably not at the top of your list of priorities. A better crr and aerodynamics is however at the top of your list, and I believe that the Conti GP4000S wins that competition. |
2013-03-28 9:56 AM in reply to: #4677748 |
Member 796 Malvern, PA | Subject: RE: Tires dmiller5 - 2013-03-28 9:52 AM datlas - 2013-03-28 9:37 AM the bear - 2013-03-28 5:45 AM datlas - 2013-03-18 5:31 PM Here is my advice re tires: 1. For "race ONLY" wheels, use Michelin PR4. 2. For everyday wheels, or ones that you race AND train on, use Conti GP4000s. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Out of curiosity, what advantage do the Michelin PR4s offer on "race ONLY" wheels above the Conti GP4000s? Why do you make this very specific recommendation? This is just opinion: The PR4 is slightly better performance. Slightly grippier. A teeny weeny bit better in the corners. Maybe slightly better road feel. However its rubber is softer and it wears out faster. It is also MUCH more prone to cuts and flats. The GP4000s are ALMOST as good as the Michelins, but they last much longer and are much more flat resistant. Now if you are riding a race course, it is likely very good pavement and it's only going to be 10, 25, 62 or at most 124 miles....and you are probably only doing this a few days/year. So if you have "race only" wheels it probably makes sense to use the PR4's and maybe even latex tubes. However if you are going to be training AND racing on the same wheelset (like most of us on a budget) the clear winner is GP4000s. I hope that helps. If you're racing a triathlon being slightly "grippier" is probably not at the top of your list of priorities. A better crr and aerodynamics is however at the top of your list, and I believe that the Conti GP4000S wins that competition. This may be. My background is as a cyclist. So that could be my bias. |
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2013-03-28 10:12 AM in reply to: #4665130 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: Tires if you are used to the pr4's, stick with them until after your race. Changing things up close to race day isn't a recipe for success.
That said, I guess the PR4's and 4000s' *could* be considered race tires (I train on 4000s')... but if I were interested enough to run latex tubes, I'd pick a real race tire. |
2013-03-28 10:15 AM in reply to: #4665130 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Tires If I'm going to have a deducted set of race wheels they're not going to have a tire that's only slightly better than my training tire (even a training tire as nice as the 4000s) but rather one that has superior rolling resistance and aerodynamics, like the Bontrager A4 cited above. YMMV EDIT: pretty much the same thing Chris said above, only slower to post. |
2013-03-28 10:28 AM in reply to: #4677797 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Tires Leegoocrap - 2013-03-28 12:12 PM if you are used to the pr4's, stick with them until after your race. Changing things up close to race day isn't a recipe for success.
That said, I guess the PR4's and 4000s' *could* be considered race tires (I train on 4000s')... but if I were interested enough to run latex tubes, I'd pick a real race tire. Agreed; if you are going to have race tires, might as well go with ones that are faster than either the PR4 or GP4000s. Shane |
2013-03-28 11:23 AM in reply to: #4665130 |
Expert 2192 Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: Tires sounds like you were approaching the end of the Pro4's lifespan anyway. those things are only good for 700-1000 miles max, depending on how you ride and roads where you live. |
2013-03-28 12:53 PM in reply to: #4677916 |
Member 796 Malvern, PA | Subject: RE: Tires Clempson - 2013-03-28 11:23 AM sounds like you were approaching the end of the Pro4's lifespan anyway. those things are only good for 700-1000 miles max, depending on how you ride and roads where you live. Another reason why I suggest they are good for "race only" tires but not everyday training. I would go through a boatload of tires if I used them for training. The GP4000s should last approx 4000 miles. Of course, YMMV. |
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2013-03-28 2:29 PM in reply to: #4677916 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Tires Clempson - 2013-03-28 11:23 AMsounds like you were approaching the end of the Pro4's lifespan anyway. those things are only good for 700-1000 miles max, depending on how you ride and roads where you live. If this is true I'm amazed about how much the Pro Race models have changed for the worse. A couple years back I got close to 5k miles on two different sets of P2Rs. The P3Rs had issues so I went to the 4000s and have been riding them since. But to hear that the P4Rs are getting one-fourth the mileage of their predecessors... |
2013-03-29 9:24 PM in reply to: #4665130 |
9 | Subject: RE: Tires has anybody ever used the Continential Grand prix triathlon tire? I saw them at biketiresdirect.com and the price seems right. They say it is the same make up as the other tires just with out any tread. The reviews looked good as well but I am always take them with a grain of salt. |