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 2013-05-02 6:16 PM in reply to: #4725014 |
Regular  5477    LHOTP |  Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Controleabeam - 2013-05-02 5:53 PM Are the pics and sexting prosecuted under child pornography laws? Is that the issue? switch - 2013-05-02 3:32 PM eabeam - 2013-05-02 5:19 PM switch - 2013-05-02 2:52 PM Are kids Do people have to show ID to buy condoms, spermicidal jelly, etc in Florida? You can get an abortion in Florida, right? What happens to kids I don't expect you to have the answers to all these questions, these are just the one's coming to mind as discussion points. Any Fl lawyers in the house?
In CA, there is an entire rubric for mandated reporting to address most of those questions. For example, access to medical care related sexual intercourse is NOT part of mandated reporting because they do not want it to be a disincentive to seeking medical care. This is my realm because I deal with this. The ability to consent to certain medical interventions be it mental health or medical without an adult is a whole different world.
That is very helpful and interesting. Thanks for posting that. Does California have a similar law (2nd degree felony) to Florida with regards to
I don't know if there is one on the books, but there is no practical enforcement unless it falls under one of the mandated reporting calls. However, I have never seen anything consensual come close to being prosecuted, only the exploitative stuff. The only thing that I have seen that comes close to prosecution of consensual activity is pictures on cell phones. However, that does not happen nearly as much as the media would suggest. (The legal consequences, the pics and sexting is a problem.) If CA locked up all the kids in this program http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/cg/pp/, there would be no room for the felons! Of course, there is not enough room for the felons in CA. |
| 2013-05-02 7:23 PM in reply to: #4724373 |
Expert 852 Evergreen, Colorado Bronze member | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control Aysel - 2013-05-02 10:58 AM This thread just illustrates to me one of the things that maddens me most about the ways these issues are discussed in this country. Here we have someone who just shared a very real and personal experience with why, exactly, women need different birth control options available. But instead of addressing why a teen in this very real, very difficult situation might need options, or even producing useful alternatives or solutions, we have multiple pages following wherein a bunch of men argue over a religious technicality. Nice. Maybe this is why women don't get involved in these discussions?switch - 2013-05-01 5:54 PM Hook'em - 2013-05-01 4:33 PMWhile it is sad that a girl in her early teens would need this, I would rather them have access to this and other forms of birth control than have an unwanted pregnancy or an abortion. +1. I'd venture a guess that, in general, there is an inverse relationship between the earlier a girl starts having sex and her "closeness" to her parents. Not necessary. I have a very close relationship with my parents and have all through my life. I was raped at 16 (no alcohol was involved, thank you very much Judgy McJudgy) and I never told them. What was I going to say? The valedictorian of my high school used me like a tissue? And who would of believed me? I wish that Plan B was on the market back then, it would of made the situation much easier. |
| 2013-05-02 7:50 PM in reply to: #4725042 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control switch - 2013-05-02 6:16 PM eabeam - 2013-05-02 5:53 PM Are the pics and sexting prosecuted under child pornography laws? Is that the issue? switch - 2013-05-02 3:32 PM eabeam - 2013-05-02 5:19 PM switch - 2013-05-02 2:52 PM Are kids Do people have to show ID to buy condoms, spermicidal jelly, etc in Florida? You can get an abortion in Florida, right? What happens to kids I don't expect you to have the answers to all these questions, these are just the one's coming to mind as discussion points. Any Fl lawyers in the house?
In CA, there is an entire rubric for mandated reporting to address most of those questions. For example, access to medical care related sexual intercourse is NOT part of mandated reporting because they do not want it to be a disincentive to seeking medical care. This is my realm because I deal with this. The ability to consent to certain medical interventions be it mental health or medical without an adult is a whole different world.
That is very helpful and interesting. Thanks for posting that. Does California have a similar law (2nd degree felony) to Florida with regards to
I don't know if there is one on the books, but there is no practical enforcement unless it falls under one of the mandated reporting calls. However, I have never seen anything consensual come close to being prosecuted, only the exploitative stuff. The only thing that I have seen that comes close to prosecution of consensual activity is pictures on cell phones. However, that does not happen nearly as much as the media would suggest. (The legal consequences, the pics and sexting is a problem.) If CA locked up all the kids in this program http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/cg/pp/, there would be no room for the felons! Of course, there is not enough room for the felons in CA. In most cases yes, but some states even outlaw it outright for teens. Here's a story from a couple months ago in Delaware: New sexting law snags two Delaware Valley teens Another one from Florida a couple years back: Two teens arrested for sexting With underage photos intent is not considered. It's only a matter of if you manufactured (took a picture of yourself), distributed (sent it to your friend), or possess (received the picture). Many states are now changing their laws to make it either legal or less severe of a punishment for teens. These types of laws continue to get scarier and scarier for all of us. In Nebraska they recently revised the child enticement law to essentially read if you entice a child who is not your own into you car, you have committed felony child enticement and will be labeled a sex offender. Think about that the next time you ask one of your kid's friends if they want a ride home. :-/ Doesn't matter why you were "enticing" them, it just matters that you did.
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| 2013-05-02 7:55 PM in reply to: #4725115 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control Stacers - 2013-05-02 7:23 PM Aysel - 2013-05-02 10:58 AM This thread just illustrates to me one of the things that maddens me most about the ways these issues are discussed in this country. Here we have someone who just shared a very real and personal experience with why, exactly, women need different birth control options available. But instead of addressing why a teen in this very real, very difficult situation might need options, or even producing useful alternatives or solutions, we have multiple pages following wherein a bunch of men argue over a religious technicality. Nice. Maybe this is why women don't get involved in these discussions?switch - 2013-05-01 5:54 PM Hook'em - 2013-05-01 4:33 PMWhile it is sad that a girl in her early teens would need this, I would rather them have access to this and other forms of birth control than have an unwanted pregnancy or an abortion. +1. I'd venture a guess that, in general, there is an inverse relationship between the earlier a girl starts having sex and her "closeness" to her parents. Not necessary. I have a very close relationship with my parents and have all through my life. I was raped at 16 (no alcohol was involved, thank you very much Judgy McJudgy) and I never told them. What was I going to say? The valedictorian of my high school used me like a tissue? And who would of believed me? I wish that Plan B was on the market back then, it would of made the situation much easier. No, but we at least had some women arguing this point starting on page one, long before Aysel's post, thank goodness. You're exactly right and she is exactly right, and unfortunately situations like hers are not uncommon--an excellent example of one of the reasons Plan B should be available, and I don't think 15 is too young. |
| 2013-05-02 9:22 PM in reply to: #4725151 |
Extreme Veteran 961 | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control switch - 2013-05-02 7:55 PM Stacers - 2013-05-02 7:23 PM Aysel - 2013-05-02 10:58 AM This thread just illustrates to me one of the things that maddens me most about the ways these issues are discussed in this country. Here we have someone who just shared a very real and personal experience with why, exactly, women need different birth control options available. But instead of addressing why a teen in this very real, very difficult situation might need options, or even producing useful alternatives or solutions, we have multiple pages following wherein a bunch of men argue over a religious technicality. Nice. Maybe this is why women don't get involved in these discussions?switch - 2013-05-01 5:54 PM Hook'em - 2013-05-01 4:33 PMWhile it is sad that a girl in her early teens would need this, I would rather them have access to this and other forms of birth control than have an unwanted pregnancy or an abortion. +1. I'd venture a guess that, in general, there is an inverse relationship between the earlier a girl starts having sex and her "closeness" to her parents. Not necessary. I have a very close relationship with my parents and have all through my life. I was raped at 16 (no alcohol was involved, thank you very much Judgy McJudgy) and I never told them. What was I going to say? The valedictorian of my high school used me like a tissue? And who would of believed me? I wish that Plan B was on the market back then, it would of made the situation much easier. No, but we at least had some women arguing this point starting on page one, long before Aysel's post, thank goodness. You're exactly right and she is exactly right, and unfortunately situations like hers are not uncommon--an excellent example of one of the reasons Plan B should be available, and I don't think 15 is too young. Is there an age you would consider too young? |
| 2013-05-02 9:35 PM in reply to: #4725006 |
Expert 2192 Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control switch - 2013-05-02 6:49 PM Hold the phone, am I reading that rubric correctly--mandatory reporting of oral sex for any child under 18? No, can't be. Really? You can have vaginal sex but not oral sex if you're Please tell me I have that wrong. oral sex is actually still illegal in some states, so this would make sense. its illegal in SC, and the age of consent is 16. there was a bill to raise the age of consent and every legislator pretty much voted it down. pretty weird for such a conservative state. |
| 2013-05-02 9:43 PM in reply to: #4725115 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control Stacers - 2013-05-02 7:23 PM As the father of 4 girls and a Police Detective who has investigated or led investigations of more rapes than I can count. I'm just saddened that Alyse didn't feel like she could report it.....an absolute failure on the part of our criminal justice system....and, I'm afraid, one that can still exist despite some of our best efforts. Yes, I am grateful there is an alternative to pregnancy in these cases.Aysel - 2013-05-02 10:58 AM This thread just illustrates to me one of the things that maddens me most about the ways these issues are discussed in this country. Here we have someone who just shared a very real and personal experience with why, exactly, women need different birth control options available. But instead of addressing why a teen in this very real, very difficult situation might need options, or even producing useful alternatives or solutions, we have multiple pages following wherein a bunch of men argue over a religious technicality. Nice. Maybe this is why women don't get involved in these discussions?switch - 2013-05-01 5:54 PM Hook'em - 2013-05-01 4:33 PMWhile it is sad that a girl in her early teens would need this, I would rather them have access to this and other forms of birth control than have an unwanted pregnancy or an abortion. +1. I'd venture a guess that, in general, there is an inverse relationship between the earlier a girl starts having sex and her "closeness" to her parents. Not necessary. I have a very close relationship with my parents and have all through my life. I was raped at 16 (no alcohol was involved, thank you very much Judgy McJudgy) and I never told them. What was I going to say? The valedictorian of my high school used me like a tissue? And who would of believed me? I wish that Plan B was on the market back then, it would of made the situation much easier. |
| 2013-05-02 10:00 PM in reply to: #4725249 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control Clempson - 2013-05-02 9:35 PM Some states may not have updated their laws, but SCOTUS invalidated all sodomy laws a decade ago. So it is legal in all states. switch - 2013-05-02 6:49 PM Hold the phone, am I reading that rubric correctly--mandatory reporting of oral sex for any child under 18? No, can't be. Really? You can have vaginal sex but not oral sex if you're Please tell me I have that wrong. oral sex is actually still illegal in some states, so this would make sense. its illegal in SC, and the age of consent is 16. there was a bill to raise the age of consent and every legislator pretty much voted it down. pretty weird for such a conservative state. |
| 2013-05-02 10:09 PM in reply to: #4725275 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control kevin_trapp - 2013-05-02 10:00 PM That's not true. Sodomy laws are absolutely on the books in instances of force or coercion. While I understand that you were most likely talking about consensual situations, painting with a large brush in these cases is part of the problem with prosecutions.Clempson - 2013-05-02 9:35 PM Some states may not have updated their laws, but SCOTUS invalidated all sodomy laws a decade ago. So it is legal in all states. switch - 2013-05-02 6:49 PM Hold the phone, am I reading that rubric correctly--mandatory reporting of oral sex for any child under 18? No, can't be. Really? You can have vaginal sex but not oral sex if you're Please tell me I have that wrong. oral sex is actually still illegal in some states, so this would make sense. its illegal in SC, and the age of consent is 16. there was a bill to raise the age of consent and every legislator pretty much voted it down. pretty weird for such a conservative state. |
| 2013-05-02 10:42 PM in reply to: #4725283 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control Left Brain - 2013-05-02 10:09 PM Sodomy in and of itself is just sodomy, nothing more, nothing less. And it is legal in all 50 states. With what you're referring to, it's not the sodomy that is illegal, it's the force/coercion. I didn't think I was painting with a broad brush by not mentioning that forcing someone to perform oral or anal sex is still illegal. But you're right, I did say all sodomy laws were invalidated, and forced sodomy is still very much a crime. I was absolutely just referring to consensual sodomy. South Carolina was one of 13 states where consensual sodomy was illegal prior to the Supreme Court ruling. I have no idea it their politicians ever bothered to update their laws. But regardless of what SC law currently says, consensual sodomy is legal. kevin_trapp - 2013-05-02 10:00 PM That's not true. Sodomy laws are absolutely on the books in instances of force or coercion. While I understand that you were most likely talking about consensual situations, painting with a large brush in these cases is part of the problem with prosecutions.Clempson - 2013-05-02 9:35 PM Some states may not have updated their laws, but SCOTUS invalidated all sodomy laws a decade ago. So it is legal in all states. switch - 2013-05-02 6:49 PM Hold the phone, am I reading that rubric correctly--mandatory reporting of oral sex for any child under 18? No, can't be. Really? You can have vaginal sex but not oral sex if you're Please tell me I have that wrong. oral sex is actually still illegal in some states, so this would make sense. its illegal in SC, and the age of consent is 16. there was a bill to raise the age of consent and every legislator pretty much voted it down. pretty weird for such a conservative state. |
| 2013-05-02 10:58 PM in reply to: #4723018 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control Except that in my state, and many others, the laws are still called; 1st Degree Sodomy, 2nd Degree Sodomy, etc. Yes, the elements of the crime may have changed....but you just can't say that sodomy laws have been taken off the books.....no they haven't. Sodomy, by definition, describes certain sex acts.....and under certain circumstances they are most definately illegal. Edited by Left Brain 2013-05-02 11:01 PM |
| 2013-05-03 8:17 AM in reply to: #4723018 |
Extreme Veteran 799 | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control Does anyone know if this pill could cause issues if taken regularly, like once a week or month? My only concern with this being available for kids is the mis-use. I think problem that lowering the age requirement is trying to solve is existence of bad parenting, so really don't have an issue with it since the pill is already legal. My only concern is that like anything it could be mis-used very easily and cause harm to kids who are using it with no adult supervision. |
| 2013-05-03 8:50 AM in reply to: #4725591 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control jmcconne - 2013-05-03 8:17 AM Does anyone know if this pill could cause issues if taken regularly, like once a week or month? My only concern with this being available for kids is the mis-use. I think problem that lowering the age requirement is trying to solve is existence of bad parenting, so really don't have an issue with it since the pill is already legal. My only concern is that like anything it could be mis-used very easily and cause harm to kids who are using it with no adult supervision. I think the FDA's ruling did just that. Taking the politics of what this is out of the equation the FDA is essentially in charge of approving things that are safe for consumption. I haven't really seen any arguments against the pill from a health standpoint either, so that would seem to confirm that it's "safe" from a person taking it standpoint. Now there are accusations of the FDA bending to political influence and stuff like that, but I don't necessarily buy it. |
| 2013-05-03 8:51 AM in reply to: #4725591 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control jmcconne - 2013-05-03 8:17 AM Does anyone know if this pill could cause issues if taken regularly, like once a week or month? My only concern with this being available for kids is the mis-use. I think problem that lowering the age requirement is trying to solve is existence of bad parenting, so really don't have an issue with it since the pill is already legal. My only concern is that like anything it could be mis-used very easily and cause harm to kids who are using it with no adult supervision. I don't know about the potential health issues with repeated use of Plan-B, but at $50-$60 a pop, I don't think it is likely that it will be used that way. Not impossible, but not likely. |
| 2013-05-03 8:57 AM in reply to: #4725236 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: FDA Lowers Age for Next-Day Birth Control wingsfan - 2013-05-02 9:22 PM switch - 2013-05-02 7:55 PM Stacers - 2013-05-02 7:23 PM Aysel - 2013-05-02 10:58 AM This thread just illustrates to me one of the things that maddens me most about the ways these issues are discussed in this country. Here we have someone who just shared a very real and personal experience with why, exactly, women need different birth control options available. But instead of addressing why a teen in this very real, very difficult situation might need options, or even producing useful alternatives or solutions, we have multiple pages following wherein a bunch of men argue over a religious technicality. Nice. Maybe this is why women don't get involved in these discussions?switch - 2013-05-01 5:54 PM Hook'em - 2013-05-01 4:33 PMWhile it is sad that a girl in her early teens would need this, I would rather them have access to this and other forms of birth control than have an unwanted pregnancy or an abortion. +1. I'd venture a guess that, in general, there is an inverse relationship between the earlier a girl starts having sex and her "closeness" to her parents. Not necessary. I have a very close relationship with my parents and have all through my life. I was raped at 16 (no alcohol was involved, thank you very much Judgy McJudgy) and I never told them. What was I going to say? The valedictorian of my high school used me like a tissue? And who would of believed me? I wish that Plan B was on the market back then, it would of made the situation much easier. No, but we at least had some women arguing this point starting on page one, long before Aysel's post, thank goodness. You're exactly right and she is exactly right, and unfortunately situations like hers are not uncommon--an excellent example of one of the reasons Plan B should be available, and I don't think 15 is too young. Is there an age you would consider too young? This is a really good question, and I've been thinking about since your post last night. I still don't have a "good" answer. I'm hoping some thought went into why it was lowered to 15 instead of 14 or 13, because, obviously, there are 12, 13 and 14 year olds having sex, consensual and not. Girls have started menstruating earlier, and thus, on average, are able to get pregnant at much younger ages than ever before. It gives me significant pause to think of a 12 yo buying Plan B, and yet, if that was really the only option that kid had, and they didn't feel like they could go to anyone for help, I'd still want them to have access. I wonder if having some sort of anonymity protected clinic where kids could get this, but could also have counseling and support available-- I don't know, something other than OTC--might be a better solution. |
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