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2013-05-02 9:00 AM

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Subject: Muscle Recruitment - Cycling Stroke
My LBS linked this image this morning; thought it was worth sharing:



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2013-05-02 9:06 AM
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That is so cool!  I've never seen it broken down like that!

I'm going to pass that one on.

 

2013-05-02 9:11 AM
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more reason to engage the pedal stroke sooner and not "scrape" the bottom of the stroke
2013-05-02 9:31 AM
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2013-05-02 9:38 AM
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that is really interesting!

That pic may be that's why people think they need to do weights to be a stronger cyclist though - that guy is ripped!  Tongue out

2013-05-02 9:46 AM
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How should a pedal stroke "feel"? There's two different ways I've noticed pedaling and not sure which is right.

The really cool thing about this picture is that if you picture yourself pedaling on a bike in slow-mo you can actually visualize which muscles are being used when comparing it to the picture. Thanks for posting this by the way its really neat!



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2013-05-02 9:47 AM
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i'm pretty sure I don't have some of those muscles.
2013-05-02 10:46 AM
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Fred D - 2013-05-02 10:31 AM
gsmacleod - 2013-05-02 10:00 AM My LBS linked this image this morning; thought it was worth sharing: Shane
Very kewl! I wonder if it matters if you ride seat forward (tri positioning) vs. road cycling position where the seat is usually further back on the timing of muscle recruitment?

Considering that the primary difference between a road fit and tri/TT fit from the waist down is a forward rotation around the BB, I'd guess that it's the same, only everything gets rotated clockwise a couple degrees.

 

2013-05-02 10:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Muscle Recruitment - Cycling Stroke

Interesting as the green part of the cycle stroke is exactly the part of the stroke I have hip flexor pain...it's dead on for me.  It's kept me off the bike for a year.

Thanks for sharing Shane!

2013-05-02 11:28 AM
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Very interesting presentation.  I'm sure I'll be thinking a lot about it on my next ride.  It's useful to visualize which groups kick in where/when.



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2013-05-02 11:33 AM
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morey000 - 2013-05-02 10:47 AM i'm pretty sure I don't have some of those muscles.

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2013-05-02 11:36 AM
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TriMyBest - 2013-05-02 12:46 PM

Fred D - 2013-05-02 10:31 AM

Very kewl! I wonder if it matters if you ride seat forward (tri positioning) vs. road cycling position where the seat is usually further back on the timing of muscle recruitment?

Considering that the primary difference between a road fit and tri/TT fit from the waist down is a forward rotation around the BB, I'd guess that it's the same, only everything gets rotated clockwise a couple degrees.

 



Agreed; based on what I've read, muscle recruitment changes very little as one rotates around the BB (as long as body weight is supported), rather the phases would simply rotate a bit around the clockface.

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2013-05-02 11:47 AM
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I guess I'm surprised that the glutes are the key muscles engaged during 12-3...always imagined that was more of quads (maybe not at top of the stroke, but starting around 1 or so)

2013-05-02 11:48 AM
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This is really cool.  Thanks so much for posting.
2013-05-02 11:51 AM
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axteraa - 2013-05-02 10:38 AM

that is really interesting!

That pic may be that's why people think they need to do weights to be a stronger cyclist though - that guy is ripped!  Tongue out

Unfortunately, I bet you're right, Arend.

People will look at this, and try to use it to justify training muscles instead of energy pathways.

 

 

2013-05-02 12:03 PM
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Well that explains my lack of "A" muscles!


2013-05-02 12:07 PM
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LazyRiver - 2013-05-02 1:47 PM

I guess I'm surprised that the glutes are the key muscles engaged during 12-3...always imagined that was more of quads (maybe not at top of the stroke, but starting around 1 or so)



This is because you need to extend the hip before you extend the knee so the glutes have a pretty big involvement.

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2013-05-02 12:18 PM
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popsracer - 2013-05-02 11:28 AM

Very interesting presentation.  I'm sure I'll be thinking a lot about it on my next ride.  It's useful to visualize which groups kick in where/when.

The graphic shows which muscle groups "should" fire during a good pedal stroke, not necessarily which ones do.  This recruitment needs to be learned.  Practicing one leg circles on a trainer or flat roads are one way to begin understanding (or confirm) the correct feel.  Good post by the OP.

2013-05-02 12:34 PM
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La Tortuga - 2013-05-02 9:33 AM

morey000 - 2013-05-02 10:47 AM i'm pretty sure I don't have some of those muscles.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with me, too.  When I look down at my leg, I don't see those colors at all.

2013-05-02 1:00 PM
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cpzone - 2013-05-02 1:18 PM
popsracer - 2013-05-02 11:28 AM

Very interesting presentation.  I'm sure I'll be thinking a lot about it on my next ride.  It's useful to visualize which groups kick in where/when.

The graphic shows which muscle groups "should" fire during a good pedal stroke, not necessarily which ones do.  This recruitment needs to be learned.  Practicing one leg circles on a trainer or flat roads are one way to begin understanding (or confirm) the correct feel.  Good post by the OP.

Alternatively, you can 'learn' it by pedalling a lot with you feet on the pedals.  If you are in a good position, it's almost impossible not to end up with those muscles firing in that order.

2013-05-02 1:01 PM
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TriMyBest - 2013-05-02 11:51 AM
axteraa - 2013-05-02 10:38 AM

that is really interesting!

That pic may be that's why people think they need to do weights to be a stronger cyclist though - that guy is ripped!  Tongue out

Unfortunately, I bet you're right, Arend.

People will look at this, and try to use it to justify training muscles instead of energy pathways.

 

 

So you don't train energy pathways through strength training?



2013-05-02 1:20 PM
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That diagram is great. Any chance anyone has seen a similar one about running? ( I can't figure how to use my glutes while running
2013-05-02 1:37 PM
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bcagle25 - 2013-05-02 1:01 PM
TriMyBest - 2013-05-02 11:51 AM
axteraa - 2013-05-02 10:38 AM

that is really interesting!

That pic may be that's why people think they need to do weights to be a stronger cyclist though - that guy is ripped!  Tongue out

Unfortunately, I bet you're right, Arend.

People will look at this, and try to use it to justify training muscles instead of energy pathways.

 

 

So you don't train energy pathways through strength training?

you do, but you'll get 30 reps total in the gym, and you'll get 30 reps in 20 seconds on the bike

2013-05-02 1:46 PM
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peteweb55403 - 2013-05-02 11:20 AM That diagram is great. Any chance anyone has seen a similar one about running? ( I can't figure how to use my glutes while running

Run up hill.

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