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 2013-05-20 10:24 AM |
Pro  5761     Bartlett, TN |  Subject: I turned someone in for cutting the course!This weekend I saw a guy cut the course at my Olympic tri at Memphis in May. The guy was running towards me heading to the turnaround point when he crossed over the road to the shoulder on my side. We were running towards each other before he crossed over to given you an idea of what i saw. When he was on the shoulder I asked if he was alright and he replied it was just cramps. it was very hott yesterday and started to walk some immediately after I saw him, when I looked over and he was running besides me! I asked him if he was all better and he said he was. I then told him he cut the course and I saw him run to the other side of the road where the runners were coming from the turnaround point. He then tried to tell me that he was with the relay, which I said "it doesn't matter, you still run the same 6.2 miles I am running" plus his race number was not a relay team number. He said he did not cut the course and that he did not have to explain anything to me. I said "no you don't, but if you cheat then you have to live with yourself" that really made me mad, cause I know I saw this guy cut across the road to stretch! Why not stretch on your side of the road??? Anyways, once I finished the race, I found a race official and told him what happened. I am not sure if they did anything (I saw no penalty attached to this guys race number) but I know I did the right thing about calling him out on the spot and then telling a race official. This guy probably cut over 2 miles off the run by doing this. This is the first time I have ever encountered someone blatantly cutting a course! |
| 2013-05-20 10:30 AM in reply to: jford2309 |
Extreme Veteran 1190 Silicon Valley | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! You did the right thing but you know if he would cheat like that he would lie to race officials, if they approached him about it. Most important though, I hope it didn't negatively impact your race. |
| 2013-05-20 10:31 AM in reply to: Stuartap |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Originally posted by Stuartap You did the right thing but you know if he would cheat like that he would lie to race officials, if they approached him about it. Most important though, I hope it didn't negatively impact your race. It actually gave me more of a drive to push through, I was pretty determined after that! |
| 2013-05-20 10:34 AM in reply to: jford2309 |
| Deep in the Heart of Texas | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Did the right thing. I doubt the officials can do much without seeing it first hand or having a time mat, but he'll have to live with it. |
| 2013-05-20 10:37 AM in reply to: jford2309 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Good for you. My son raced this weekend and told me after the race that the boy who passed him on the run was cutting the corners at the cones. I'm going to chalk that up to young age (the boy was 8), but good opportunity to teach my son. |
| 2013-05-20 10:54 AM in reply to: Goosedog |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Wow good on you for, first of all, telling him what he did was wrong, and second, telling the race officials. |
| 2013-05-20 11:01 AM in reply to: mr2tony |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Originally posted by mr2tony Wow good on you for, first of all, telling him what he did was wrong, and second, telling the race officials. Well depending how slow he was, cutting 1/3 of the run course could result in some pretty odd numbers. I also assume they didn't have a timing mat at the turn? For example, if I'm an above average MOP guy - and I run 8/min miles, if I cut 2 miles off, suddenly I'm running less than 5.5/min miles... After an average swim and bike, that would look hella wonky. That's how I can catch anomalies when I loot at race results. Some person BOP in the swim and bike, then running 6 min miles? |
| 2013-05-20 11:07 AM in reply to: jford2309 |
Extreme Veteran 792 | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! I'm really tempted to ask you his race number and what race it was...but I know that I really shouldn't. |
| 2013-05-20 11:12 AM in reply to: Kido |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Originally posted by Kido Originally posted by mr2tony Wow good on you for, first of all, telling him what he did was wrong, and second, telling the race officials. Well depending how slow he was, cutting 1/3 of the run course could result in some pretty odd numbers. I also assume they didn't have a timing mat at the turn? For example, if I'm an above average MOP guy - and I run 8/min miles, if I cut 2 miles off, suddenly I'm running less than 5.5/min miles... After an average swim and bike, that would look hella wonky. That's how I can catch anomalies when I loot at race results. Some person BOP in the swim and bike, then running 6 min miles? Here is a clue, it was a time trial start race, with people going off every 3 seconds and I entered the water 222 spots after him, which means I entered the water 10 minutes after him and I was about 2 miles ahead of him when I saw him cut. |
| 2013-05-20 11:17 AM in reply to: jford2309 |
New user 129 Green Bay | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Good for you. If you are going to cut the run, just bail. Man up and admit that it's not your day. No sport in cheating. |
| 2013-05-20 12:04 PM in reply to: jford2309 |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! This puts you in a tough position. I'm sure it's upsetting to you, but I wouldn't let it eat at you - not worth it. Unfortunately some individuals just have a different moral compass and don't have a problem cheating and then lying about it. As others have said, if the dude really did cut two miles off the run, then his times should be out of wack and the officials should be able to easily pick up on it. Of course the better solution would be to have an intermediate timing mat and some course monitors at the turnaround. Mark
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| 2013-05-20 12:32 PM in reply to: jford2309 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! As bad as I felt yesterday during the run on my HIM, and even though I was alone at one of the turnarounds, I still went around the cones. At the end of the day, whatever my time is, I still have to live with myself. And that means doing the whole race. I don't know if I would turn someone in, but *I* could not take a win, or even a finish, by cheating. Either go the distance or go home. |
| 2013-05-20 12:34 PM in reply to: RedCorvette |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Originally posted by RedCorvette This puts you in a tough position. I'm sure it's upsetting to you, but I wouldn't let it eat at you - not worth it. Unfortunately some individuals just have a different moral compass and don't have a problem cheating and then lying about it. As others have said, if the dude really did cut two miles off the run, then his times should be out of wack and the officials should be able to easily pick up on it. Of course the better solution would be to have an intermediate timing mat and some course monitors at the turnaround. Mark
That is, unless he's running, say, 14 minute miles. He could potentially look like he's running about 8s. Not that unusual. Whatever, as JFord said, the guy has to live with himself. I once flatted twice during a race so my bike average was 14 miles an hour after a slow swim, then I busted out a 7:40/mile run so that may look wonky. I wish I would've cheated a little during that race. Ugh. |
| 2013-05-20 12:36 PM in reply to: jford2309 |
| Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Good job. I yelled at a bunch of people course cutting at HITS Palm Springs. Most ignored it. One guy even said "I'm just following them..." Told the RD. No one seemed to care. Guys that were on the podium Sad |
| 2013-05-20 12:48 PM in reply to: mr2tony |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Originally posted by mr2tony That is, unless he's running, say, 14 minute miles. He could potentially look like he's running about 8s. Not that unusual. Whatever, as JFord said, the guy has to live with himself. This is when athlinks.com comes in handy. |
| 2013-05-20 12:53 PM in reply to: Goosedog |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! From what I have seen in life the people who would cheat don't have a problem living with themselves.....which is what causes them to cheat in the first place...they just don't care. I have found that I don't care about those people either....so that makes us even. |
| 2013-05-20 1:06 PM in reply to: jford2309 |
Veteran 348 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! You did the right thing. At a minimum, he may be shamed and not ever try it again. If no one said anything he might. I had when they design the race course such that it allows people to cheat like that. Either make the course a circle, or put a timing mat at the furthest point. I think they should do the latter and not tell anyone and let the cheaters be caught. |
| 2013-05-20 1:40 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Master 2010 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Originally posted by Left Brain From what I have seen in life the people who would cheat don't have a problem living with themselves.....which is what causes them to cheat in the first place...they just don't care. I have found that I don't care about those people either....so that makes us even. Unfortunately I believe this is the case. Those of us who would be bothered by this would not cheat. |
| 2013-05-20 1:45 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Originally posted by Goosedog Originally posted by mr2tony That is, unless he's running, say, 14 minute miles. He could potentially look like he's running about 8s. Not that unusual. Whatever, as JFord said, the guy has to live with himself. This is when athlinks.com comes in handy. Unless they are smart habitual cheaters like some of the people who have been outed here and on ST over the years. In those cases, it takes a lot more analysis of their results to identify the anomalies. With the dumb ones, it's obvious almost immediately. Edited to correct my poor spelling. Edited by TriMyBest 2013-05-20 1:47 PM |
| 2013-05-20 1:58 PM in reply to: RedCorvette |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Well that is good.l Even if something never comes you never know. Maybe he does it next year and next year they will DQ him. Without any proof it is hard to DQ someone on someone's else word. You never know if the reporter is being honest or even has the right guy. I rather see a cheater get away with cheating (as long as he does not place at least) then to see an innocent person get DQed. |
| 2013-05-20 2:18 PM in reply to: chirunner134 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! I think next time I will just say there is a timing may at the turnaround you are going to miss, and let that play around in his head! |
| 2013-05-20 2:28 PM in reply to: jford2309 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! Originally posted by jford2309 I think next time I will just say there is a timing may at the turnaround you are going to miss, and let that play around in his head! Again, you are assuming he cares. You called him out on it, he didn't turn around....that's because he doesn't care. People who cheat don't care....or they wouldn't cheat. |
| 2013-05-20 2:40 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Regular 789 | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! That does suck. What they really need is the camera person shooting pictures at the turnaround. I've seen people not have a time at different splits on the course because maybe the timing mat didn't pick it up. But if you could make sure the camera caught all the participants along with a timing mat, chances are slim that both would miss the same person. Unfortunate that a person had to resort to that but that person has to deal with it in the future. |
| 2013-05-20 3:00 PM in reply to: spie34 |
Expert 1224 Is this Heaven? No, it's Iowa. | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! I would have a hard time not saying something and knowing me, my sarcasm would come out in full blown proportions. Here's how I think it would go: Me: Hey buddy, I'm not sure you knew this but you didn't get to the turnaround point. Cheater: Oh I did, you just didn't see me. Me: Oh, I figured it woudl take you longer than 2 minutes to run a mile. My bad. How do you train your body to run that fast? Cheater: F-off. It's my race and I will do what I want. Me: you bet buddy. I heard they are offering bikes with three miles to go. Make sure you hop off before the finish line though. Wouldn't want anyone to think you are cheating. (I of course pass him at this point and offer to carry him on my back) Next update would probably be holding a kleenex or my headband up against my nose after getting punched by the cheater. I can't stand cheaters. |
| 2013-05-20 3:17 PM in reply to: jford2309 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: I turned someone in for cutting the course! They cheat, I turn them in. I mean, COME ON!! Are people REALLY that hard up?! |
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