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2013-06-04 11:03 AM
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So let me pose my question a little differently to help me understand. If at the end of the season I am able to avg 22 mph for a particular 20 mile course, then during the off season I start these interval workouts. If I were to be using a power meter instead of my other method of measurement, and I am able to increase my power output for those 10 min intervals by 10 % during the offseason. Would you not expect an increase in speed for that same 20 mile ride? I'm wondering if its just a problem with my method of measurement.


Let's stay you are able to do 22mph on a 20mile course it's about 1hr, so let's say you are doing at FTP. Let's pretend it's a flat course, no wind, reasonable position and you and your bike weight 170lbs. You need 180watts. So let's say your FTP is 180

You work hard all winter and raise your FTP by 18 watts (10%). You are now 198watts. Same bike, same conditions...You would be able to go 22.96 mph

You work hard all winter and raise your FTP by 30 watts. You are now 210watts. Same bike, same conditions...You would be able to go 23.48 mph

Going from 180 to 210 is not that big an improvement over a winter.


2013-06-04 11:53 AM
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Subject: RE: What am I doing wrong?
Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by mchadcota2

So let me pose my question a little differently to help me understand. If at the end of the season I am able to avg 22 mph for a particular 20 mile course, then during the off season I start these interval workouts. If I were to be using a power meter instead of my other method of measurement, and I am able to increase my power output for those 10 min intervals by 10 % during the offseason. Would you not expect an increase in speed for that same 20 mile ride? I'm wondering if its just a problem with my method of measurement.


Let's stay you are able to do 22mph on a 20mile course it's about 1hr, so let's say you are doing at FTP. Let's pretend it's a flat course, no wind, reasonable position and you and your bike weight 170lbs. You need 180watts. So let's say your FTP is 180

You work hard all winter and raise your FTP by 18 watts (10%). You are now 198watts. Same bike, same conditions...You would be able to go 22.96 mph

You work hard all winter and raise your FTP by 30 watts. You are now 210watts. Same bike, same conditions...You would be able to go 23.48 mph

Going from 180 to 210 is not that big an improvement over a winter.


That's a big improvement in my book. If I would have increased from 22 last year, to doing 23.5 this year, I'd be ecstatic.
2013-06-04 11:58 AM
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Subject: RE: What am I doing wrong?
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Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by mchadcota2

So let me pose my question a little differently to help me understand. If at the end of the season I am able to avg 22 mph for a particular 20 mile course, then during the off season I start these interval workouts. If I were to be using a power meter instead of my other method of measurement, and I am able to increase my power output for those 10 min intervals by 10 % during the offseason. Would you not expect an increase in speed for that same 20 mile ride? I'm wondering if its just a problem with my method of measurement.


Let's stay you are able to do 22mph on a 20mile course it's about 1hr, so let's say you are doing at FTP. Let's pretend it's a flat course, no wind, reasonable position and you and your bike weight 170lbs. You need 180watts. So let's say your FTP is 180

You work hard all winter and raise your FTP by 18 watts (10%). You are now 198watts. Same bike, same conditions...You would be able to go 22.96 mph

You work hard all winter and raise your FTP by 30 watts. You are now 210watts. Same bike, same conditions...You would be able to go 23.48 mph

Going from 180 to 210 is not that big an improvement over a winter.


That's a big improvement in my book. If I would have increased from 22 last year, to doing 23.5 this year, I'd be ecstatic.


A few years back there was something called the Jorge's winter plan.

I would bet most people that did the plan saw an improvement of 30 watts over the winter.

If I am not mistaken, that plan is available on TR, but not 100% sure.
2013-06-04 12:44 PM
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those calculations looks suspiciously like bikecalculator.com, which I think does a real crazy job in 'Aerobar' position, and is much more realistic in 'Drops' setting, which puts our rider at ~220 FTP, which sounds a lot more realistic than 180. Now to increase to 23 mph, that means a new FTP of 250. An improvement from 220 to 250 is in my mind more impressive than going from 180 to 210, even though the percentage increases are different. At this stage, if I were able to raise my FTP just 10% a year, I'd be over 400 in just 3 years, then I could go ride with the pros. This is unfortunately where math and reality don't converge

I would expect anyone to be able to improve their FTP wattage by 30 or more in the first six months of training with power if they stick to a structured plan, but after that, not so much. Turns out it gets harder to improve the higher you get.

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