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Not a damn thing! Paying for speed is selling out.0 Votes - [0%]
Somthing, but I feel like I need to earn it first.12 Votes - [26.09%]
Would pay something except I'm broke.3 Votes - [6.52%]
$0-$25013 Votes - [28.26%]
$250-$5003 Votes - [6.52%]
$500-$100015 Votes - [32.61%]

2013-06-22 4:06 PM

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Subject: How much would you pay for +1mph/40K on the bike?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I hit return before I got all the options in.  Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!

And now I can't edit in more choices.  Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Is there no going back?

Help?



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2013-06-22 4:11 PM
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OK, if anyone reading this has the ability to add additional options they should be:

  • $1000-$2000
  • $2000-$5000 (should cover most sets of fancy-pants wheels)
  • The sky is the limit.  See ya suckahs.

I'm so sad I screwed up this poll. 

 

2013-06-22 4:33 PM
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It depends what my average was already. If i was at 18 mph avg and wanted a 19mph avg i wouldn't pay much because that means its my engine that needs work.
2013-06-22 4:46 PM
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Originally posted by dkahns51 It depends what my average was already. If i was at 18 mph avg and wanted a 19mph avg i wouldn't pay much because that means its my engine that needs work.

Totally--I  tried to cover this with the "something, but I feel like I need to earn it first" option.  That might seem as clear to others as it seemed to me when I was ***trying*** to create the poll;) I didn't feel like I could put a set mph on that option, as it certainly varies a lot.

Do you mind sharing at what mph you would consider buying 1mph/40K speed?

I'm still sad about the poll. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

 

2013-06-22 4:51 PM
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Depends. At my current fitness 1mph would be worth a bit to me. I'd say I'd pay a $2-3k for 1mph free speed in a 40k.

(I don't know a lot more "free speed" I can buy however... possibly a new frame, but I'd have to be 100% assured on the gain to justify it)

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2013-06-22 4:56 PM
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Originally posted by Leegoocrap Depends. At my current fitness 1mph would be worth a bit to me. I'd say I'd pay a $2-3k for 1mph free speed in a 40k. (I don't know a lot more "free speed" I can buy however... possibly a new frame, but I'd have to be 100% assured on the gain to justify it)

What about some sweet bullhorn to aero-or-die bars with Di2? :)

 



2013-06-22 5:02 PM
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Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by Leegoocrap Depends. At my current fitness 1mph would be worth a bit to me. I'd say I'd pay a $2-3k for 1mph free speed in a 40k. (I don't know a lot more "free speed" I can buy however... possibly a new frame, but I'd have to be 100% assured on the gain to justify it)

What about some sweet bullhorn to aero-or-die bars with Di2?

 




Brezza 2 Nano or Ventus 2 with no Front Derailleur / Single Chainring on a P4 frame with perfect (no crosswind) conditions was kind of what I was thinking
2013-06-22 5:05 PM
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If it's a new bike, sure...but I think it's mostly the Engine that needs work, not the bike. Ironically, I switched from Look to Speedplay Zero (got 'em for free, so why not try 'em out). For some weird reason, I felt like climbing was a helluva lot easier and felt like I have better power transfer. Not sure if it's because *I am* getting stronger, or new equipment....which I got for free. :D
2013-06-22 5:05 PM
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Originally posted by Leegoocrap
Originally posted by switch

Originally posted by Leegoocrap Depends. At my current fitness 1mph would be worth a bit to me. I'd say I'd pay a $2-3k for 1mph free speed in a 40k. (I don't know a lot more "free speed" I can buy however... possibly a new frame, but I'd have to be 100% assured on the gain to justify it)

What about some sweet bullhorn to aero-or-die bars with Di2? :)

 

Brezza 2 Nano or Ventus 2 with no Front Derailleur / Single Chainring on a P4 frame with perfect (no crosswind) conditions was kind of what I was thinking :)

Ridiculously hardcore.

2013-06-22 5:36 PM
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Originally posted by CyborgQueen If it's a new bike, sure...but I think it's mostly the Engine that needs work, not the bike. Ironically, I switched from Look to Speedplay Zero (got 'em for free, so why not try 'em out). For some weird reason, I felt like climbing was a helluva lot easier and felt like I have better power transfer. Not sure if it's because *I am* getting stronger, or new equipment....which I got for free. :D

This info makes me happy--as they are the only pedals I've tried:)

2013-06-22 6:55 PM
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I think the answer depends on what you already have.

Lots of people spend anywhere from $2k-4k upgrading from a road bike with clip on aero bars to a tri bike with a professional fit.  That's maybe a little more than a 1 mph gain...but gives you some perspective.

Many people spend anywhere from $500-$2k upgrading their wheels and only get about 0.4-0.7 mph benefit.

Buying a skinsuit, aerohelmet, and good race tires/tubes all together might add up to 1-2 mph and would cost you about $300.

Then you've got power meters, HRMs, coaching, etc that people pay hundreds or thousands of dollars on...but the gains could be small if you're already fast...or they could be huge.

For me, I already have most of the above (holy crap...I try not to think about all I've spent) so if I can squeeze out another 1 mph, that would be huge.  It would put me in contention for winning state championships at the 40k TT and posting the fastest bike splits overall at small local tris.  I don't really know how much I would pay because I know there is no such thing that could get me 1 mph other than training harder...but if it did exist and it was proven...and also that my competitors already had it and this would help me level the playing field...shoot...I may have to take out a loan.  LOL.



Edited by Jason N 2013-06-22 6:56 PM


2013-06-22 8:52 PM
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Subject: RE: How much would you pay for +1mph/40K on the bike?
Originally posted by Jason N

I think the answer depends on what you already have.

Lots of people spend anywhere from $2k-4k upgrading from a road bike with clip on aero bars to a tri bike with a professional fit.  That's maybe a little more than a 1 mph gain...but gives you some perspective.

Many people spend anywhere from $500-$2k upgrading their wheels and only get about 0.4-0.7 mph benefit.

Buying a skinsuit, aerohelmet, and good race tires/tubes all together might add up to 1-2 mph and would cost you about $300.

Then you've got power meters, HRMs, coaching, etc that people pay hundreds or thousands of dollars on...but the gains could be small if you're already fast...or they could be huge.

For me, I already have most of the above (holy crap...I try not to think about all I've spent) so if I can squeeze out another 1 mph, that would be huge.  It would put me in contention for winning state championships at the 40k TT and posting the fastest bike splits overall at small local tris.  I don't really know how much I would pay because I know there is no such thing that could get me 1 mph other than training harder...but if it did exist and it was proven...and also that my competitors already had it and this would help me level the playing field...shoot...I may have to take out a loan.  LOL.

X2...right on the mark Jason. If it could be guaranteed that I could go 1mph faster with current gear and same effort level........$$$

2013-06-22 9:01 PM
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so powercranks...
2013-06-22 9:05 PM
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Free speed? Try picking your parents carefully! That could net you more than 1 mph.

Edited by Billyk 2013-06-22 9:05 PM
2013-06-22 9:17 PM
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$10 month on TrainerRoad and put in more time.
2013-06-22 9:28 PM
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It would have to get me within fighting chance of winning overall in most of my races (and, on the Singapore race scene, that would often be necessary to win the 40-49 AG age group as well). One mph faster wouldn't usually cut it (2-3 mph might), so I wouldn't spend much on it. There's still more work to be done on the engine. If/when I thought I was getting close, I might invest a few thousand in a tri bike. (But by the time I developed the needed bike fitness, I'd probably lose run speed due to aging and/or lack of fresh legs for speedwork, or get burned out of tri as I don't really like bike training and lack a decent place to train much of the year--it might well be a zero-sum situation.)


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Originally posted by Jason N

I think the answer depends on what you already have.

Lots of people spend anywhere from $2k-4k upgrading from a road bike with clip on aero bars to a tri bike with a professional fit.  That's maybe a little more than a 1 mph gain...but gives you some perspective.

Many people spend anywhere from $500-$2k upgrading their wheels and only get about 0.4-0.7 mph benefit.

Buying a skinsuit, aerohelmet, and good race tires/tubes all together might add up to 1-2 mph and would cost you about $300.

Then you've got power meters, HRMs, coaching, etc that people pay hundreds or thousands of dollars on...but the gains could be small if you're already fast...or they could be huge.

For me, I already have most of the above (holy crap...I try not to think about all I've spent) so if I can squeeze out another 1 mph, that would be huge.  It would put me in contention for winning state championships at the 40k TT and posting the fastest bike splits overall at small local tris.  I don't really know how much I would pay because I know there is no such thing that could get me 1 mph other than training harder...but if it did exist and it was proven...and also that my competitors already had it and this would help me level the playing field...shoot...I may have to take out a loan.  LOL.

This was  really helpful to read.  Thanks Jason.  I've seen lots of numbers thrown around for different wheels and aero helmets, neither of which I have, and I *gasp* couldn't even tell you what my tires and tubes are.  Needed to google a skin suit;

There. I said it.

Nor do I have a coach or a PM, though I do have a 910xt, and it is my wooby.

I started this thread because I haven't put nearly enough time in on the bike over the last year, and I have given myself a target mph to hit before I'll consider buying speed. I'm curious how others approach the work v coin equation. 

My target is 21mph for a Oly 40K, which I feel hopeful of hitting this season (my first). I have yet to do a bike focus of any kind.  I'm on week two of an eight week focus, shooting for 150-180/week, which I barely hit the first week and am short this week, but it's still way up from where it was.

Sooooo on my current stock rims, but professionally fitted tri bike, I might stand to gain 1.4-2.7mph?

Effin A.  That's some serious incentive right there.



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2013-06-22 9:46 PM
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Originally posted by magic $10 month on TrainerRoad and put in more time.

What percentage of your bike do you do on TR?

2013-06-22 10:16 PM
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I have given myself a target mph to hit before I'll consider buying speed

Either you have the money to spend on it or not, and if not, then sure - saving up makes sense.  But I don't know why people worry about a speed target.  Is it just to dangle the carrot, so to speak, to reward yourself for training harder?  Life's short - get what makes you happy

I have a lot of money invested in my bikes but I've never once felt like it was squandered.  Each of the past couple seasons I've probably biked double my car mileage.

2013-06-22 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by magic $10 month on TrainerRoad and put in more time.

What percentage of your bike do you do on TR?




this year about 75% CompuTrainer and rollers. Picked up on TR in March. FTP has seen some nice gains.
2013-06-23 1:17 AM
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Subject: RE: How much would you pay for +1mph/40K on the bike?
Timely question as I'm about to spend a few grand on this very thing. I'll average roughly 23mph in an Oly on a road bike with clip ons. Getting a fit this week and going bike/wheel/helmet shopping next week and hoping I can pick up a mile and hour or two for my upcoming HIM. There's more free speed to be had with the engine for sure but I think it's time to buy some speed as well given goals I've set forth. So 350 for a fit, bike, used front and aero jacket, helmet, that's easily 3k right there not including the post bike purchase fit.


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This is so hard to answer, because it depends on what is holding back my speed, so to speak. Am I on a poorly fitted road bike? Then I'd happily spend $2000-30000 for a sweet tri bike. Am I good on the bike front but been eating Cheetos and watermelon oreos fon the couch? Then I'd pay $200 for some healthy food and get off my butt. Am I turning in poor bike splits due to poor hydration? I'd pay $50 for a. Speedfil type system.

Too bad "the sky is the limit, see ya suckers! " isn't an option
2013-06-23 8:30 AM
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Originally posted by Shop Cat

This is so hard to answer, because it depends on what is holding back my speed, so to speak. Am I on a poorly fitted road bike? Then I'd happily spend $2000-30000 for a sweet tri bike. Am I good on the bike front but been eating Cheetos and watermelon oreos fon the couch? Then I'd pay $200 for some healthy food and get off my butt. Am I turning in poor bike splits due to poor hydration? I'd pay $50 for a. Speedfil type system.

Too bad "the sky is the limit, see ya suckers! " isn't an option


Hold up. They make watermelon oreos?!?
2013-06-23 9:56 AM
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Well For me each Mph gain seem to take an incredible amount of hard work especially now that I seem to be fighting for .5 mph increases over a few months instead of the big gains I was getting over the last couple of years as the engine got tuned up, so if I could buy an extra mph for a reasonable cost I would be darn tempted, These days the Engine gains come slowly and with a lot more fuel Input required so, I guess thats one of the reasons I just bought new race tires,to replace the older Heavy but still very functional and not really in need of replacement ones that were on the bike .
Did it work well ,yes and No MY avg rides are up .2 to .4 Mph /ride, was that worth the $210 for new rubber who knows, I do know the bike handles a lot better, it come up to speed a lot quicker and I am not as afraid to lean it over a bit more in the corners without worring about the bike sliding out from under me, so for that reason alone I guess so.

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I really can't answer this, spending on the bike is mostly irrational! There is little if any scientific data to support your need for whatever, and when there is, question remains how much that improvement translates to your performance.

So you set your mind on upgrading your wheels because somebody on the 'net said it will give you another mph, but then you look at the different choices and your mind slowly accept the idea to spend a little extra because surely you don't want to upgrade again, ... but are those other wheels worth the $100 extra? do you get .1mph extra?

Most of what we spend on the bike is spent because we feel we need something new every so often, or we just fall plain in love with that whatever. And then we try to rationalise and justify that we actually really need this thing. And D.Joe on the internet helpfully comes up with some fictitious fact that fits right there where our rational thinking got derailed.

If you're not going to podium, you're really competing against yourself, and you win when you improve. Buying "free" speed only serves to cover up the fact that you didn't work as hard as you should have. But we do it again and again, for over more money to get that rush exceeding our targets and improving gives.

Switch: I wouldn't set a target speed before I will grand myself permission to buy that whatever thing. If you've in your mind decided to spend the money, you might just as well get it now, the sooner, the more you'll enjoy it.

If I should set a target, it would be to spend consistently a set amount of hours/week on the bike for say 6 months, or something similar, so when I get my new thingy I won't just collect dust. For example, I still ride a road bike, and I've decided not to buy a tri bike until I have done at least two HIMs and I know what I commit to.
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