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2006-07-25 11:50 AM

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Subject: To wet suit or not to wet suit...

I'm doing my first Tri in 2 weeks.  It's a super sprint and the swim is 400yd.  The website says the water temp will be apprx 70 degrees, and wetsuits are allowed.  I'm wondering if I should rent a wet suit or not.  I won't be able to get to the swim site prior to race day, so I'm not really sure how I'll feel about 70 degree temp.  I keep thinking "it's only 400yd, I can tough it out either way."  But then again, it is my first race, and there is the OWS Freakout to contend with (I'll have a couple of OWS in at a warmer lake prior to race day, but still that's not a race situation).  Any advice would be appreciated.

brad 



2006-07-25 11:54 AM
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I, being the genius I am, rented a suit for the NYC tri - the race was not only my first time EVER swimming with a wetsuit, but also my first OWS (water was 71F). I didn't drown, thankfully, but I don't know that a full wetsuit was necessary due to the temp (definitely for the fact that it was in the Hudson, though).

IMO, for 400yds you can probably tough it out w/o a suit - I would have a hard time spending $80 for about 6:30 in the water, IMHO.
2006-07-25 12:02 PM
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you should be able to do it w/ out a wetsuit...if you want.  I did a 1/2 mile (880 yards) in June and the waer temp was 68 degrees....brrrrrrr...w/o a wetsuit, I finished, but I was COLD!!  I just purchased a new sleeveless ORCA wetsuit (off ebay) for $100, reg price $199.  I was in the position of renting one for $40 from wetsuitrental.com, but decided that I would rather purchase one so I could use it multiple times.

 

I would say if you have the cash, AND expect to do more triathlons, that you should purchase a wetsuit

 

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2006-07-25 12:02 PM
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nope - i wouldn't do it. and i'm the BIGGEST wimp when it comes to cold water. but, i just did a 1/2 swim in my sprint tri a couple weeks ago in 69 degree water and although it took a minute to get used to it, i was GLAD i didn't have a wetsuit - i would've gotten HOT. give yourself some time to warm up in the water before the race and you'll be fine!just my .02
2006-07-25 12:23 PM
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Snowgirl, that makes me feel a bit better. I'm doing the Rattlesnake in August in Aurora Res and I've decided to go sans wetsuit because it's my first tri and I don't want to spend the money right now. I'm going out there tomorrow night for a practice swim and they say the water temps is between 66 and 69 degrees. I know my pool temp is around 80 and I usually think that is a bit warm once I get swimming for a while, but I'm a wuss too when it comes to cold water. I'll have to sit out on the beach for 15 minutes to get all hot so that the cold water feels good before I get in. Of course it's going to be FREEZING at 7:45 am the morning of my tri, but it's only 500 meters so I'll have to suck it up.
2006-07-25 12:24 PM
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I vote for the wet suit, but that is just because I just ordered one and I am hoping it is the right decision. FYI I have done five sprints all with 440 yd swims and have done them all w/out wet suit. However I have been slow and a bit freaked out (this has gotten a lot better) so I am hopeful that a suit will help on both accounts.


2006-07-25 12:37 PM
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Water temp shouldn't be a problem

Bigger issue is nothing new on race day.  Ever worn a wetsuit?  they're super tight, andmight make you feel claustrophobic.  Ever tried taking one off quickly in T1?  It can get stuck, costing you a butt-load of time.

For 70 degrees, 400 yards, I wouldn't.  If I couldn't practice in OW a couple times beforehand and practice stripping it, I definitely wouldn't

2006-07-25 12:46 PM
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How strong a swimmer are you?
2006-07-25 12:48 PM
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NO WET! SAVE THE MONEY FOR BEER. MY 2 CENTS.

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2006-07-25 1:14 PM
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At a sprint I did this past May, Scott (3558) and I had this same discussion.  It was a 300 meter swim with 70 degree water.  The temperature wasn't really an issue.  After the initial shock, it was a comfortable swim.  The main discussion was whether the wetsuit gave you enough speed advantage to make up for the time getting the wetsuit off in transition.  I decided to go without the wetsuit but I now realize that was a mistake.  With a little practice you can get a wetsuit off in 15 or 20 seconds.  While swimming with the wetsuit makes me faster than that even in a short swim plus I don't expend as much energy during the swim.   From now on, I'm going to follow Scott's lead and use a wetsuit anytime it's legal.  I would rent a wetsuit and practice getting it off and use it in your race.

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2006-07-25 1:53 PM
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I just finished my first sprint on Sunday - 1/4 mile swim in 62 degree water! The cut the long course swim to 1/4 mile also b/c of the cold temps. I didn't have a wetsuit that I could wear (only have a short sleeved suit for water-skiing, too tight to swim in) but I definitely plan on getting one for next season's olympic distance race.

does anyone have any input on using a 1-piece vs. the 2-piece options? Easier to get the 2-piece off after the swim?


2006-07-25 7:54 PM
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OK.  Well I did an OWS workout today.  I was slow, about 20 to 30 seconds per 100yds than in the pool, but I didn't freakout like the first time.  I did backstroke a few times to get air, but was able to concentrate on my stroke instead of not drowning.  So that's the answer to the "how strong of a swimmer are you" question (not very strong).  But I can do the 400yds distance (in warm water).  I hope I can do it 70 degree temp too. 

I guess I won't get the wetsuit.  I hadn't thought about the "no new stuff" on race day rule.  I do have a tendency to get claustrophobic at times, and I won't have time to train with the wetsuit prior to the event.

Thanks for all of the advice.

Brad 

Also, can I just say that 400yds looks a HECKOFALOT farther in open water than I thought it would.   

2006-07-25 11:56 PM
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If you don't use the wetsuit.  Don't sprint the first 50yards and get into oxygen debt.  And then start to flounder.   Make sure you do some more OWS with what you will wear on race day. 

Relax, get into a nice stroke, and when you get around the bouy and head for home, then kick it in.   You still have a bike and run to do and it won't do any good to get tied up in the swim.

2006-07-26 6:02 AM
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70f is toasty warm. definitely don't need a wetsuit. i swam in just over 70f last week without my wetsuit and it was gorgeous! much nicer not feeling constricted in a wetsuit imho
2006-07-26 10:48 AM
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If you are a weak swimmer I would suggest the wetsuit, I was terrible at swimming especially in OW and the suit has helped me to float a bit better, relax my stroke and breath slower. then I was able to work on improving my stroke and am doing better without it but still not up to a full swim. If you struggle in swimming the wetsuit will help you up front to do better but you still need to work on technique and form to get rid of the need for the suit. I am not sure the swimming levels of others on this thread but if they are good swimmers and never struggled with it they may not understand it from a poor swimmers perspective. I would invest in the suit it will help you manage the swim at this stage and definaetly helps you go faster as you get better. I do agree don't get it for this race if you don't have time to practice it takes getting used to.
Read Total Immersion it will help
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2006-07-26 12:18 PM
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I'm in the "always use a wetsuit if it is allowed" camp.

That said the advice about "nothing new on raceday" trumps the wetsuit comment.  If you have the time to swim in it at least once for at least 200 meters prior to the event then I would say go for it.  If you don't have that opportunity then I would say skip it.

I love swimming in a wetsuit.  Some people hate it and some feel very restricted even with a proper fit.  You don't want to find out you're one of the "I hate this feeling" people 50yds into your swim.

Just my opinion.



2006-07-26 4:14 PM
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Tri wetsuits will keep you warm but they are made for bouancy to help you go faster. 70 is a nice temp to swim in, in my opinion. It all depends on how good of a swimmer you are. For most, the better the swimmer you are, the less the benefit is with a suit. 400 yds I think is a bit short to wear a suit but I am a strong swimmer. 400 yds will take me about 5 -6 mins, with a suit it might only save me a minute- tops, that I can make up in T1 w/o a suit. If you are looking at anywhere from 12 mins or more a wetsuit will help you. It will also keep you fresh for th bike and the run.

If you do your 100 yd splits in 2 mins or less, no suit.

Just my 2 cents.
2006-07-26 4:36 PM
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It's 400 yards. Once you run in and dive you'll be half done. And if it feels a little cold, well, swim faster. Not only will that help raise your core body temp, but you'll also be done faster.
2006-07-26 4:37 PM
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I did my first race a couple weeks ago in about 70ish water.  I can't say if I would prefer a wetsuit because I've never swam in one.  What I can tell you is that I just started learning to swim last November.  I am HORRIBLY slow compared to most everyone else.  I can't sight worth a darn and tend to breaststroke a lot in OWS mostly because I don't know exactly what I am doing.  I swam a 440 yard swim in my race without a wet suit and did just fine.  I would say that about 1/3-1/2 had wet suits, but most did not.  Short swim, warm water, warm day, less hassle.  My vote is to keep it simple and not wear one for such a short swim.

The one thing that did help me a lot though was to get in the water before the start and swim for about 10-15 minutes.  Got rid of some butterflies and got my body used the temperature so it wasn't such a shock.

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