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 2013-10-01 7:48 PM |
Expert  2355    Madison, Wisconsin |  Subject: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone?So I have taken the plunge to try my best to make it from the front of the MOP to the actual FOP in the swim. I have found a local HS team to swim with this off-season, in hopes that getting my butt kicked by 14-18 year old kids each day will bring me closer to that pack in the race. Anyone else ever swam with HS kids years after being out of high school? This should be real interesting as those 1:15-1:20/100 swim times will not fly too long with them! |
| 2013-10-01 8:01 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
 Bronze member | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Originally posted by bcagle25 So I have taken the plunge to try my best to make it from the front of the MOP to the actual FOP in the swim. I have found a local HS team to swim with this off-season, in hopes that getting my butt kicked by 14-18 year old kids each day will bring me closer to that pack in the race. Anyone else ever swam with HS kids years after being out of high school? This should be real interesting as those 1:15-1:20/100 swim times will not fly too long with them!
No way for me. I had a stroke eval from our local swim team coach yesterday and she kicked my rear end all over the pool. No way I could have a prayer of keeping up with those kids at my age. It sure did help my effort level and stroke to swim with someone better than me though. I wish I could do that for every swim! What a great motivator though, good luck. |
| 2013-10-01 8:23 PM in reply to: trigal38 |
Champion 6503   NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? How would I do with my 1:45's? |
| 2013-10-01 8:40 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Member 2820 Carbondale, Illinois | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Fairly certain my ego would simply explode... It is bad enough swimming after the college team at my gym. |
| 2013-10-01 8:43 PM in reply to: drfoodlove |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? You could swim with my kid's club.....they are all 13-16 in his group. Tonight's main set was 30 X 100 on 1:10.  |
| 2013-10-01 8:51 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Veteran 706 Illinois | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Originally posted by bcagle25 So I have taken the plunge to try my best to make it from the front of the MOP to the actual FOP in the swim. I have found a local HS team to swim with this off-season, in hopes that getting my butt kicked by 14-18 year old kids each day will bring me closer to that pack in the race. Anyone else ever swam with HS kids years after being out of high school? This should be real interesting as those 1:15-1:20/100 swim times will not fly too long with them! My masters group shares an olympic-size pool with the high school kids during the summer. Watching those kids inspires equal parts awe and hatred. Of course, I've only been swimming about a year, and my 2:00 hundreds mean I'm all kinds of slow, but watching those kids crush it . . . at best, I've left workouts thinking, in a couple of years, I might be 3/4 that good. Then I watch the kids do butterfly . . . screw it, I'll never be half that good. |
| 2013-10-01 8:56 PM in reply to: mirthfuldragon |
| 64 | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? I wish I knew of a local HS that would let me join! I'd have no problem with the slow lane.. Having somebody to chase makes me work harder. |
| 2013-10-01 10:53 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Originally posted by Left Brain You could swim with my kid's club.....they are all 13-16 in his group. Tonight's main set was 30 X 100 on 1:10. thats exactly what I'm hungry for! |
| 2013-10-01 11:09 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Originally posted by bcagle25 Originally posted by Left Brain You could swim with my kid's club.....they are all 13-16 in his group. Tonight's main set was 30 X 100 on 1:10. thats exactly what I'm hungry for! Yeah.....well good luck. I'll hold off on posting the sets before and after the main set so you can keep your appetite up. LOL
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| 2013-10-02 12:47 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
| 42 | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Yes I swam with my daughters high school team for six years. The coach invited me one day when I was occupying a lane by myself. Swimming with those kids will improve your times quickly if it does not kill you first. This was a great experience as swimming has changed dramatically since the early 1970's. Listen to what the coach is telling the kids and try to emulate his instructions. Stroke mechanics is huge and boy have the strokes changed. Never get in the way of the kids instruction, you are the side show and as such just listen. Try to make all of the sets that the kids do. It is surprising how your body will respond after a few weeks of this. Practice is no longer how many yards you can knock out it is more intensity based. The conditioning you will gain from this is huge. Keep at it you will get better. You can be a great example for the kids on how to live your life. They will see you giving it your all at an "advanced" age. The suttle interactions with the kids will make your corner of the world a better place. Make a goal. I had two goals each year. I always wanted to "qualify" for the state high school meet every year that I swam with the kids. Once I new the cut off times I would pick an event and then give it my all using the pace clock as a timer. I "made" the state team every year. The second was always to have a good time. |
| 2013-10-02 12:50 AM in reply to: SearayPaul |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Originally posted by SearayPaul Yes I swam with my daughters high school team for six years. The coach invited me one day when I was occupying a lane by myself. Swimming with those kids will improve your times quickly if it does not kill you first. This was a great experience as swimming has changed dramatically since the early 1970's. Listen to what the coach is telling the kids and try to emulate his instructions. Stroke mechanics is huge and boy have the strokes changed. Never get in the way of the kids instruction, you are the side show and as such just listen. Try to make all of the sets that the kids do. It is surprising how your body will respond after a few weeks of this. Practice is no longer how many yards you can knock out it is more intensity based. The conditioning you will gain from this is huge. Keep at it you will get better. You can be a great example for the kids on how to live your life. They will see you giving it your all at an "advanced" age. The suttle interactions with the kids will make your corner of the world a better place. Make a goal. I had two goals each year. I always wanted to "qualify" for the state high school meet every year that I swam with the kids. Once I new the cut off times I would pick an event and then give it my all using the pace clock as a timer. I "made" the state team every year. The second was always to have a good time. Most excellent post of the day!! |
| 2013-10-02 5:06 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Master 8247 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Yes, a few years ago I trained with two HS sisters who were being homeschooled and their parents put them in my master's swim class. Sometimes we had their brother as well, who was a collegiate swimmer. They were all very strong swimmers. I did their workouts (usually) but the coach would give me head starts. Occasionally if they were doing a lot of stroke or IM work, I would do a different distance set instead. We enjoyed suffering together, trash-talking, and doing our "handicap races". Most regular teams have a wide range of swimmers, so I'm guessing even a swimmer of modest abilities could find a suitable lane and work their way up. I currently train in my own lane while some HS kids do their workout in others. (About 4-6 of them and 2-3 adults at that time.) I've noticed that while the best of them can kick my butt on speed, I have them beat on endurance. At least here, the kids almost never swim over 200m in competition. I came close to getting those HS girls on a 400m, and I'm pretty sure I could kick everyone's butt at 800m and up. If teachers counted, I would have our school record for the 400m by a good 30 seconds! |
| 2013-10-02 6:28 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? I swam with the local swim team 2x per week last winter. I couldn't keep up with their fastest swimmers but I was able to hang on with the second group most times. It was great motivation and really made me work hard. I'm hoping to do so again this winter. |
| 2013-10-02 7:30 AM in reply to: SearayPaul |
Master 3205 ann arbor, michigan | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Originally posted by SearayPaul Yes I swam with my daughters high school team for six years. The coach invited me one day when I was occupying a lane by myself. Swimming with those kids will improve your times quickly if it does not kill you first. This was a great experience as swimming has changed dramatically since the early 1970's. Listen to what the coach is telling the kids and try to emulate his instructions. Stroke mechanics is huge and boy have the strokes changed. Never get in the way of the kids instruction, you are the side show and as such just listen. Try to make all of the sets that the kids do. It is surprising how your body will respond after a few weeks of this. Practice is no longer how many yards you can knock out it is more intensity based. The conditioning you will gain from this is huge. Keep at it you will get better. You can be a great example for the kids on how to live your life. They will see you giving it your all at an "advanced" age. The suttle interactions with the kids will make your corner of the world a better place. Make a goal. I had two goals each year. I always wanted to "qualify" for the state high school meet every year that I swam with the kids. Once I new the cut off times I would pick an event and then give it my all using the pace clock as a timer. I "made" the state team every year. The second was always to have a good time. Fabulous. This is my dream. I take my ten year old to swim practice 3-4 nights per week and watch all of the kids crank out tough sets. It is an hour and a half and I have often wondered how I could get in the water with the 13-17 group. I am pretty sure that it would be frowned upon by the other parents and the swim team itself. I am 100% sure that my daughter would be mortified  Totally jealous of you (SeaRay Paul) and of BCagle for this opportunity. Great advice on making sure you don't interfere with the main point of the pactices, coaching kids. |
| 2013-10-02 7:31 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? uhhh no thanks. I'll simply enjoy getting my butt kicked by 65YO overweight women at my pool... that's about all the embarrassment I can take. |
| 2013-10-02 7:40 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Regular 287 Levittown, PA | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Originally posted by Left Brain You could swim with my kid's club.....they are all 13-16 in his group. Tonight's main set was 30 X 100 on 1:10. I don't even know how to respond to this, other than saying that I kind of just looked at that set and laughed. |
| 2013-10-02 8:02 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by SearayPaul Yes I swam with my daughters high school team for six years. The coach invited me one day when I was occupying a lane by myself. Swimming with those kids will improve your times quickly if it does not kill you first. This was a great experience as swimming has changed dramatically since the early 1970's. Listen to what the coach is telling the kids and try to emulate his instructions. Stroke mechanics is huge and boy have the strokes changed. Never get in the way of the kids instruction, you are the side show and as such just listen. Try to make all of the sets that the kids do. It is surprising how your body will respond after a few weeks of this. Practice is no longer how many yards you can knock out it is more intensity based. The conditioning you will gain from this is huge. Keep at it you will get better. You can be a great example for the kids on how to live your life. They will see you giving it your all at an "advanced" age. The suttle interactions with the kids will make your corner of the world a better place. Make a goal. I had two goals each year. I always wanted to "qualify" for the state high school meet every year that I swam with the kids. Once I new the cut off times I would pick an event and then give it my all using the pace clock as a timer. I "made" the state team every year. The second was always to have a good time. Most excellent post of the day!! Agreed. There are some kids teams that go right before the masters group I swim with. I'll often get there early just to watch the good swimmers and hear what the coaches have to say. Don't think I'm allowed to swim with them, but just being there absorbing what I can has helped out. My own practices have gone better when I'm able to do this even though I haven't actually gotten in the water with the kids. |
| 2013-10-02 8:25 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
| 191 Melbourne, Florida | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? I get to do the next best thing. I swim with my wife. She was a high school and NCAA swimmer on a full scholarship. Even after decades not competing and giving birth to two kids, she can still kick my butt. Then, she makes it worse by dissecting every stroke, kick, and breath. The last thing that she says to me before a race is "swim fast." Even if I'm 1st out of the water, she still tell me that I should have gone out faster. |
| 2013-10-02 8:34 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Originally posted by axteraa I swam with the local swim team 2x per week last winter. I couldn't keep up with their fastest swimmers but I was able to hang on with the second group most times. It was great motivation and really made me work hard. I'm hoping to do so again this winter. When the 54min IM swimmer says he can't hang with the fastest kids, that just makes me cringe... |
| 2013-10-02 8:35 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Member 522 Saint Paul, MN | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Originally posted by bcagle25 So I have taken the plunge to try my best to make it from the front of the MOP to the actual FOP in the swim. I have found a local HS team to swim with this off-season, in hopes that getting my butt kicked by 14-18 year old kids each day will bring me closer to that pack in the race. Anyone else ever swam with HS kids years after being out of high school? This should be real interesting as those 1:15-1:20/100 swim times will not fly too long with them! I am humbled enough by swimming with my local Masters group. I don't need further humiliation in the pool. |
| 2013-10-02 8:40 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? At my pool half of the 20 25yd lanes are used by one of the local youth swim clubs when I swim in the afternoons. I can't imagine trying to swim with those kids. I wasn't nearly as fast as they are back when I was swimming competitively at age 15, so now at age 60 it's just a non-issue. Last week I was doing a set of 100's at around 1:50 and while I was gasping for air at the wall between 100's, the 14 year old girls in the next lane were giggling about their boyfriends before heading out for another killer interval. Youth is a great thing. Mark |
| 2013-10-02 8:50 AM in reply to: spiderjunior |
Member 169 | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? I'm not even sure how to swim a 100m in 1:10 let alone 30 of them. Like physically I can't visualize how different my stroke would have to be. |
| 2013-10-02 8:59 AM in reply to: aliddle9876 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Originally posted by aliddle9876 I'm not even sure how to swim a 100m in 1:10 let alone 30 of them. Like physically I can't visualize how different my stroke would have to be. Actually, they're hitting the wall in 1:00 to 1:03.....if you are like me with no swim background it's just crazy to watch. And it's not 100M....it's yards during this part of the season....because 100M would just be toooo crazy. |
| 2013-10-02 9:06 AM in reply to: aliddle9876 |
Veteran 393 Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? I would love to find a team like that to be able to swim with. It would take be back to my glory days growing up swimming...not that I would be able to keep up at all but it would still be fin and a nice change of pace from swimming by myself. Unfortunately my work schedule makes it difficult to just be able to find a masters group I could swim with. |
| 2013-10-02 9:24 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Veteran 1384 Panama City, FL | Subject: RE: Swimming with High Schoolers...anyone? Yes. At the local college where I swim, there are high school kids on teams that swim there at same time. Most if not all are much better swimmers than me. Triathlon has taught me many things- one is not to get down about someone else being faster than you. Women, girls, old men whoever, I just swim. I'm MOP too. I listen some and learn from their posted workouts what they're doing. It's fine. |
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