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Did you read the article?

Did he asked for the interview?

I do not believe anything was calculated, provoked or said in a hurtful way by him. To me, he was attacking sin. No one is complaining that he called out people who sleep around and committ adultry as sinners.

I do not understand how you can say that God would disapprove of someone using God's words?

And also did you read this part of the interview?

"However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just becasue they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better offif we loved Godand loved each other."

I do not believe that you can pick and choose which parts of the Bible you believe and follow.

Nope. It's just what I choose to believe.  I may well be wrong.  If so, I'll have a reallllly long time to dwell on my mistakes  But if Duck Daddy doesn't at least get a heavenly 'time out' from the Almighty, then I'm probably not a good fit for that version of the after-life, anyway. 

And that's the difference between you and Robertson, and the reason he will never apologize......he never says, "I may well be wrong" when he quotes the Bible. He's positive he's not wrong because he has his belief and faith.  I respect that.  I don't have to agree or disagree, but I certainly respect his faith in the Bible.  It's harder for me to respect what you have thrown out in this thread, especially in light of the fact that you even think you may be wrong, and your words were filled with much more hatred than his were.  I'm just saying.

I would use a nicer word and just say they're misguided.  

The Bible is very clear on sin.  There are many sins listed very specifically in the old and new testament and Homosexuality is one of them.  An individual who is a Christian can absolutely choose to ignore what the Bible says and interpret it however they want ,but I don't personally recommend it.  ;-)

There are a lot of things that are in the Bible and there are a lot of things that aren't in the Bible.  Using the big bang theory as an example, the Bible only gives us Genesis as a record of how the earth was created.  There are Christians who believe the 7 days are literal 7 days and there are Christians who believe the 7 days are "God days" which could be billions of "man days/years".  Honestly I don't really care because I think there's plenty of room for science and the Bible to coexist.

And THAT, LB is the difference between You (and others) and ME (and others).  Some folks insist they WIN the argument and others insist that it simply be recognized as a DRAW! 

BTW: "I'm just sayin = Don't take this the wrong way, but.. = Lordy, Lord, I'd NEVER disrespect a fellow man = I'm gonna say what I KNOW is the wrong thing, but preface it away by saying, "I'm just saying".   You wanna say it, Own it!

Enjoy your evening, I'm gonna watch me some Honey BooBoo, drink too much with my neighbors wife, and snuggle up to my dog in a non-beastiality kind of way.

I think the other sins don't get as much attention because there is no backlash for speaking out against other "sins". (for the record, I don't think God, or whatever you call that which is greater than you, cares about homosexuality, because I don't believe it's a choice)  But in todays world, if you speak out against homosexuality, you are in for a schit storm.  Maybe that's a good thing, I don't know.  I believe this..... Phil Robertson doesn't hate homosexuals......just ask him, he doesn't mind telling you what he thinks. 

Good questions and I'll try to give you my thoughts on it.

The Bible has parts of it that are open to interpretation and you are correct that various denominations have disagreements on them.  However, there are also parts of the bible that are not open to interpretation and there is virtually zero disagreement.  For example, the ten commandments are pretty steadfast across all denominations.

Fornication is a similar sin to homosexuality, and I'm not really aware of anyone trying to say they interpret it as not being a sin.  People always joke about "living in sin" because they're not married.  It's pretty much not even a big deal in our society.  Does that mean it's not really a sin?  No, it's still a sin because the Bible says it's a sin.

Same thing with Homosexuality.  The Bible says it's a sin and people can still do the behavior and feel that it's not a sin, but it still is a sin.

Now, if you choose to act in a manner that affords homosexuals the same rights, I don't know if that in and of itself is a "sin" or not but I could probably argue it either way.  I could say the exact same thing about any other sin.  If I buy a magazine that has bikini girls in it, I'm enabling or affording the sin of lust.  Heck, I'm even committing adultery in my mind.  Is that going to make me go to hell?  I sure hope not.  

I'm a firm believer that once you're a Christian you're a Christian.  If you've accepted Jesus into your heart and sin, he's not going to cast you off into the eternal pits of hell.  The story of the prodigal son always comes to mind because it's a representation of God's eternal love for us.  Even when we go off and live in sin he still loves us and welcomes us back with open arms.

If you go into any church today I will show you a room full of sinners.  I sometimes get flack when people ask me if a Homosexual can be a Christian and I answer that they absolutely can be a christian.  Because if they can't be a Christian then I can't be a Christian.  There's only two types of people in this world as far as I'm concerned.  There's sinners and there's forgiven sinners.  

HAHAHHA!!  Bro, when I say, "I'm just saying".....then I am owning it.  It's not open to your interpretation. If you ask me what I meant by that I'll tell you.....but you already know that.  . or at least you do now.

He's not insisting he is winning the argument, he doesn't believe there is an argument. 

Your hatred in this thread is pretty crazy really........I'm just saying.

It doesn't just seem to get more attention, it absolutely does get more attention.

My personal thought is I think it's just a behavior that many Christians find more "detestable" so they elevate it to a higher standard of sin.  However, the Bible does not elevate it at all.  In almost every instance where it's mentioned its in the same breath as adultery, fornication, etc...

As I mentioned above, I like to poke fellow Christians a little and ask them if they feel the same way about fornication as they do Homosexuality.

So, yes I agree with you and it is wrong that Homosexuality is elevated to a greater sin level because it's not.

Sometimes I use the Bestiality sin example, because most everyone (including homosexuals) find it detestable.  So there's very little disagreement across the board that it's a sin.  However, fornication is something that almost everyone does (talking premarital sex) so most people Christians and non believers tend to ignore or minimize it as sin.  Homosexuality is somewhere in the middle where some are totally fine with it and minimize it as sin while others detest it.  In reality though, they're all the same level according to the Bible.  (please don't interpret me saying bestiality and homosexuality are the same because they're not, i'm just saying they're the same level of sin)

I'm not quite ready to be forgiven.......on the off chance I won't be unless I stop. LOL

I'm just tickled pink at how far we've come.  I mean, it's nearly 2014, and I am so proud that our Big National Debates have been whether a fictional character is black or white and whether a duck hunter fromt he bayou thinks it's bad to put his thingy in someone's butt.

Yay us!!!!

you don't think there would be a backlash if he spoke out against divorce?  that's in the bible too...

Ok, Phil.......Jeff hates you.

No, because nobody cares....we'd all be....meh.

I can't figure out why people care so much about homosexuality, but they do.

This may shock a few of you, but I don't think it's a choice either.  I always get frustrated when people talk down to homosexuals like they're "choosing" to be attracted to the same sex.  I am friends with several people who are gay and they have told me they would much prefer to not be attracted to the same sex because it's caused them a lot of pain in their lives.

I know there is a lot of discussion about people being born gay and people becoming gay (nature vs. nurture) and I do tend to fall along the lines of nurture based on my experience.  However, I feel this "nurture" is from such an early age there is never a "choice" or "decision" made, it's just the way you are.

I honestly don't know, but there are various efforts to outlaw various "sin" items.  For example every time there's a new strip club that tries to open there's usually a pretty good representation by local churches trying to block it.  Same thing with Gambling;  Most states don't have gambling because of the church influence towards the legislatures.

If I were to guess about why the big fights on gay rights, it's probably along the lines of both sides trying to politicize various aspects through legislation and court action.  Banning/allowing gay marriage, creating protected classes for GLBT, type actions are bringing everyone on both sides out.

I suspect if somebody tried passing a federal law to legalize prostitution, or public nudity, there would be a big mobilization by the church as well.  I think I could support the public nudity one though... (dang it, there I go again.  Told you I sin every day....)

haha, i'm just typing away in this thread and was thinking we were in PTAN.  yeah, this has to be up there for the worse derailment in BT history.  :0)

Just for clarification, Divorce is permitted in the Bible.   Generally speaking you are able to get a divorce when your spouse has consistent, unrepentant immorality or when an unbelieving spouse deserts a believer.

Obviously Divorce is frowned upon by the church and the Bible talks of a lifelong covenant when married, but it's not a death sentence either if you happened to marry a sleaze bag.

LOL....you're killing me.