How do you test your FTP ?
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2014-01-16 1:22 PM |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: How do you test your FTP ? For those that train with power, or virtual power, how do you test your FTP ? I don't want to know which is better, I am mostly curious what people actually do. |
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2014-01-16 1:25 PM in reply to: Guest |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? coggan |
2014-01-16 1:34 PM in reply to: Guest |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? I use the power I hit routinely in long intervals (usually 20' ones done as 2 x 20' and I round the average down slightly). Occasionally, I may check it against results from Critical Power testing (typically using 20' and 5' all-out intervals). |
2014-01-16 1:36 PM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Originally posted by JohnnyKay I use the power I hit routinely in long intervals (usually 20' ones done as 2 x 20' and I round the average down slightly). Occasionally, I may check it against results from Critical Power testing (typically using 20' and 5' all-out intervals). Good one, I will add that to the list (if I can) Edit : I can't. I would have to add it as an option and I would end up voting for it. Edited by marcag 2014-01-16 1:38 PM |
2014-01-16 1:37 PM in reply to: JohnnyKay |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? I cut a broom stick in half, put one end on the ground, the other end on my forehead, and spin around for 2 minutes. My FTP is the number of seconds I can stay on my feet after the test.
We are currently doing % of 20 minutes all out. That will change with the weather.
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2014-01-16 1:39 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Originally posted by Left Brain I cut a broom stick in half, put one end on the ground, the other end on my forehead, and spin around for 2 minutes. My FTP is the number of seconds I can stay on my feet after the test.
We are currently doing % of 20 minutes all out. That will change with the weather.
But do you do a 5' all out before doing the 20' ? |
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2014-01-16 1:42 PM in reply to: marcag |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by Left Brain But do you do a 5' all out before doing the 20' ? I cut a broom stick in half, put one end on the ground, the other end on my forehead, and spin around for 2 minutes. My FTP is the number of seconds I can stay on my feet after the test.
We are currently doing % of 20 minutes all out. That will change with the weather.
I wasn't in the room for the testing but I know there were some all-out efforts involved before the 20 minute test. |
2014-01-16 1:47 PM in reply to: 0 |
1660 | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Trainer Road 2 x 20 protocol. (They have a few other ones in there.) It's a three 3-5' increasing subthreshold efforts, followed by 2 twenty minute all-out efforts separated by 2 minutes. I think the FTP is then 95% of your average 2 x 20 interval power.
I've done the 8' Carmichael tests as well (forgot the % of that power to calc FTP), but it was really close to my 2 x 20, albeit a hair better. You obviously hit higher power on the 8' test than the 2 x 20s so the %power to get FTP is lower. Edited by yazmaster 2014-01-16 1:50 PM |
2014-01-16 1:59 PM in reply to: Guest |
Master 1484 Sedona, AZ | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Full admission time - I never test my FTP. I use Training Peaks and Golden Cheetah to tell me my FTP. If they differ, I split the difference. I base all of my zones on this and it has worked very well for me. This wouldn't work well on a trainer because you don't have the same stressors as real-world riding. Go outside, hammer up hills, go hard for 20 minutes, do a few TT's, etc. and you'll have a good idea of the power you can put out. If you are using trainer road 'virtual power' this method won't work of course. Most people don't go hard enough on the trainer anyway. |
2014-01-16 1:59 PM in reply to: yazmaster |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Has anybody tried the Rubber Glove protocol before? I know those of us doing the Tour are going to get to at least try it, but I wondered if anyone has compared that to other tests yet. |
2014-01-16 2:03 PM in reply to: MonkeyClaw |
over a barrier | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? I rarely test anymore. I've training w/ power since 2008. I can pretty much tell you my FTP within 3-5 watts at any given time. Once I realized I could do this, I stopped testing cause it really isn't much fun If you ask me to test right now. I would choose 2 x 20 (2') NP of that.... |
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2014-01-16 2:05 PM in reply to: Guest |
Elite 3770 | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? My coach's standard protocol: 5 min easy w/u 3 x 1 minute spinups with 1 min rest 3 x 1 minute high cadence with 1 min rest 5 min easy 5 min around zone 3 10 min rest 20 min all out, break up into zone 3 about 6 min, zone 4 from 6-13 min, zone 5 13-20 min, with adding resistance the last 3 minutes.
Makes me want to puke just thinking about it. Luckily I don't have to do it again till March. |
2014-01-16 2:10 PM in reply to: msteiner |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Originally posted by msteiner Has anybody tried the Rubber Glove protocol before? I know those of us doing the Tour are going to get to at least try it, but I wondered if anyone has compared that to other tests yet. I just bought the Rubber Glove, but I don't have a powermeter. I'm just going to see what happens with whatever data I can get from HR and cadence/speed sensors. |
2014-01-16 2:15 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Expert 4631 Middle River, Maryland | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? I use Jorge's power test on Trainer Road. 5' all out and then a 20' test. |
2014-01-16 2:17 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Originally posted by msteiner Has anybody tried the Rubber Glove protocol before? I know those of us doing the Tour are going to get to at least try it, but I wondered if anyone has compared that to other tests yet. I see it as option 2, 20' test and take a %. Everything before the test is just to get you ready to go for it. A solid warm-up. There is no blowout or second data point in there. Since it's only a single point, I don't see the specifics of what goes on beforehand in the warm-up as being too significant so long as they get you ready to really go after it in the test portion. That said, different people do like different things for that warm-up, so it would be in one's best interest to figure out what does work well and keep using it. Edited by brigby1 2014-01-16 2:20 PM |
2014-01-16 2:17 PM in reply to: 0 |
New user 14 Melbourne | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Originally posted by msteiner Has anybody tried the Rubber Glove protocol before? I know those of us doing the Tour are going to get to at least try it, but I wondered if anyone has compared that to other tests yet. I used Rubber Glove last time around, and my FTP jumped quite a bit. My plan for the ToS is to ride Rubber Glove straight up (at 100%), but only following the power line--I'm not doing it as a new test basis. Yeah...I'm an underachiever, but I tried Blender at 100% a couple of weeks ago and got dropped. If I tested at a higher FTP on the first day of the ToS, I'm pretty sure I couldn't make the rest of the week at 100% based on that number. Ha...I may not even be able to do that at current FTP. Edited by sadcox 2014-01-16 2:18 PM |
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2014-01-16 2:24 PM in reply to: sadcox |
Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Painfully. But you didn't offer that as an option So I have to go with the separate 20 and 5 test and plug into the calc |
2014-01-16 2:24 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by msteiner Has anybody tried the Rubber Glove protocol before? I know those of us doing the Tour are going to get to at least try it, but I wondered if anyone has compared that to other tests yet. I see it as option 2, 20' test and take a %. Everything before the test is just to get you ready to go for it. A solid warm-up. There is no blowout or second data point in there. Since it's only a single point, I don't see the specifics of what goes on beforehand in the warm-up as being too significant so long as they get you ready to really go after it in the test portion. That said, different people do like different things for that warm-up, so it would be in one's best interest to figure out what does work well and keep using it. Yeah I guess it works if you keep doing a test consistently, but it seems like the Coggan test would be a more accurate/trusted method, since it has that 5 minute effort to take the freshness out. The TR 20 minute test looks like an easier version of the Coggan test. However I guess I'll see how close the numbers are soon enough. |
2014-01-16 3:38 PM in reply to: JohnnyKay |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Originally posted by JohnnyKay I use the power I hit routinely in long intervals (usually 20' ones done as 2 x 20' and I round the average down slightly). Occasionally, I may check it against results from Critical Power testing (typically using 20' and 5' all-out intervals). I did it like this the last time I did a FTP test which was 4 years ago on my Computrainer. I didn't like the numbers so I haven't done it since. I don't race with power so (in my mind) I don't have to worry about numbers. I race by RPE with HR limiter. I got to try the Left Brain method. That sounds like fun. |
2014-01-16 3:40 PM in reply to: msteiner |
Veteran 1677 Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Originally posted by msteiner Has anybody tried the Rubber Glove protocol before? I know those of us doing the Tour are going to get to at least try it, but I wondered if anyone has compared that to other tests yet. I use Rubber Glove in conjunction with a 5' all-out test that I typically do two days before. I like Rubber Glove's warm-up profile and it really helps to have others suffering along with me. |
2014-01-16 4:04 PM in reply to: Guest |
Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? http://www.spinervals.com/products/item10.cfm Spinervals 27.0 - Threshold Test & Suffer Fest serves dual purposes. A great threshold building workout designed to boost your anaerobic threshold and sustainable power output for time trialing events including triathlons |
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2014-01-16 5:15 PM in reply to: Guest |
Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? I've tried several different ways over the years. 20' with a percentage of that (without the 5' blowout) I don't test FTP specifically that often. Usually I just do a lot of 5x5' intervals or something like 2-3x25' of a hard hill climb to judge my fitness level.
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2014-01-16 8:10 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by Left Brain But do you do a 5' all out before doing the 20' ? I cut a broom stick in half, put one end on the ground, the other end on my forehead, and spin around for 2 minutes. My FTP is the number of seconds I can stay on my feet after the test.
We are currently doing % of 20 minutes all out. That will change with the weather.
I wasn't in the room for the testing but I know there were some all-out efforts involved before the 20 minute test. marcag - I checked. My son did 5' then 2' easy, then 20'. My daughter, 13, did 5' then 2' easy, then 10' because they only race 6 miles in the Youth Elite series....FTP was measured at 95% of avg. power for the long duration of each. Edited by Left Brain 2014-01-16 8:11 PM |
2014-01-17 8:40 AM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 635 Ajo | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? I do the standard 5' hard - easy - 20 to 25' protocol and take a % of that, usu. 94% to be on the safe side for a full hour. I also have a weekly way of estimating my ftp when I do vo2max sets on my trainer. Edited by tomspharmacy 2014-01-17 8:41 AM |
2014-01-17 8:56 AM in reply to: marcag |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: How do you test your FTP ? Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by JohnnyKay I use the power I hit routinely in long intervals (usually 20' ones done as 2 x 20' and I round the average down slightly). Occasionally, I may check it against results from Critical Power testing (typically using 20' and 5' all-out intervals). Good one, I will add that to the list (if I can) Edit : I can't. I would have to add it as an option and I would end up voting for it. Marc - I tried to add this as my vote but for some reason it wouldn't let me. |
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