Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery
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2014-01-16 2:32 PM |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery For most people. I understand the move based on last year's nightmare, but also understand the frustration if you were banking on this one and now it's an unknown until April 7. |
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2014-01-16 3:33 PM in reply to: lisac957 |
61 | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery As marathons gain in popularity, I expect this to happen more often with the big races. Marine Corps is going to a lottery system as well in 2014 |
2014-01-16 3:35 PM in reply to: Omne38103 |
Seattle | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Seems good. They have a few guarantee options including a time qualifier. |
2014-01-16 4:31 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery I got my 5 so I can do it. In theory to keep my spot I will have to do it next 3 years in a row though. |
2014-01-16 5:41 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Expert 3145 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by Asalzwed Seems good. They have a few guarantee options including a time qualifier. Yeah, at first I was a bit upset but then when I saw the time qualifier it was all good. |
2014-01-16 7:39 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by Asalzwed Seems good. They have a few guarantee options including a time qualifier. Maybe I read it wrong, but it's interesting that there is just one time qualifier for males and one for females. No AG differentiation. Not to say that it's "wrong," or that they should do it differently like Boston or NYC...just interesting. I'm sure there are some older men who think a 3:15 is unfair to them. |
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2014-01-16 8:49 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by Asalzwed Seems good. They have a few guarantee options including a time qualifier. Maybe I read it wrong, but it's interesting that there is just one time qualifier for males and one for females. No AG differentiation. Not to say that it's "wrong," or that they should do it differently like Boston or NYC...just interesting. I'm sure there are some older men who think a 3:15 is unfair to them. There are plenty of younger men who think so too. |
2014-01-16 9:00 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by Asalzwed Seems good. They have a few guarantee options including a time qualifier. Maybe I read it wrong, but it's interesting that there is just one time qualifier for males and one for females. No AG differentiation. Not to say that it's "wrong," or that they should do it differently like Boston or NYC...just interesting. I'm sure there are some older men who think a 3:15 is unfair to them. There are plenty of younger men who think so too. True. Boston for M34 and under is 3:05 and NYC is 2:45 for M39 and under (for guaranteed entry). But I didn't mention it to suggest that the Boston or NYC qualifying times were right...just that each race uses multiple qualifying times based on age where Chicago is choosing not to consider age at all. Just gender. It's their race...they can do whatever they want. I'm sure people are offended though. |
2014-01-16 9:03 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by Asalzwed Seems good. They have a few guarantee options including a time qualifier. Maybe I read it wrong, but it's interesting that there is just one time qualifier for males and one for females. No AG differentiation. Not to say that it's "wrong," or that they should do it differently like Boston or NYC...just interesting. I'm sure there are some older men who think a 3:15 is unfair to them. As an older guy, this was my first reaction when I read the qualifying criteria. I wouldn't be surprised to see that modified in the future. {fingers crossed} |
2014-01-16 9:08 PM in reply to: popsracer |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Even if they let in all 90k people who wanted to be in (number made up btw). People will still complain. |
2014-01-16 9:17 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by Asalzwed Seems good. They have a few guarantee options including a time qualifier. Maybe I read it wrong, but it's interesting that there is just one time qualifier for males and one for females. No AG differentiation. Not to say that it's "wrong," or that they should do it differently like Boston or NYC...just interesting. I'm sure there are some older men who think a 3:15 is unfair to them. There are plenty of younger men who think so too. True. Boston for M34 and under is 3:05 and NYC is 2:45 for M39 and under (for guaranteed entry). But I didn't mention it to suggest that the Boston or NYC qualifying times were right...just that each race uses multiple qualifying times based on age where Chicago is choosing not to consider age at all. Just gender. It's their race...they can do whatever they want. I'm sure people are offended though. There must ALWAYS be a certain percentage of people who are offended, or the internet will die. |
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2014-01-17 8:06 AM in reply to: Jason N |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Looks like they are keeping the very generous 30 min extra for the women in the qualifying time. There is not a 30 min difference in the elites M vs F so I always find it interesting when they keep it at 30 minutes. |
2014-01-17 8:20 AM in reply to: Marvarnett |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by Marvarnett Looks like they are keeping the very generous 30 min extra for the women in the qualifying time. There is not a 30 min difference in the elites M vs F so I always find it interesting when they keep it at 30 minutes. it is probably not based on the elites, but on the average chicago runner - say they want to retain their top 10% finishers - they are using the top 10% times for each gender. that is my guess at least. |
2014-01-17 9:18 AM in reply to: lisac957 |
Chicago, IL | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery I suspected this would happen, after last years debacle. |
2014-01-17 11:48 AM in reply to: mehaner |
Regular 606 Portland, Oregon | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by mehaner Originally posted by Marvarnett Looks like they are keeping the very generous 30 min extra for the women in the qualifying time. There is not a 30 min difference in the elites M vs F so I always find it interesting when they keep it at 30 minutes. it is probably not based on the elites, but on the average chicago runner - say they want to retain their top 10% finishers - they are using the top 10% times for each gender. that is my guess at least. Indeed, the women's record is about 1/8th greater than the men's. A 30 minute cushion on a 3:15 men's run is about 1/6th more...so along that math, yes a bit generous. I bet it is actually decided on general %-age, as mehaner suggested. The real disparity here is that there is no age differentiation. 3:15's are much easier at 30 than 60. |
2014-01-17 12:20 PM in reply to: dfroelich |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery The time requirement makes sense if you look at the numbers, and realize a lot of people run Chicago like my friend trying to make the Olympic Qualifiers. In 2013 start to 3:00 891 people finish 3:00 to 3:15 1149 finished 3:15 to 3:30 2240 finished 3:30 to 3:45 3019 finished 3:45 to 4:00 4643 finished 4:00 to 4:15 3972 finished If you want to maximize the size of the race and minimize people tripping over each other. You want people to finish before 3:15. There is a lot of wide open land there for people to run. They talk about capping the race at 45k but if you add in 2k more sub 3:15 finishers you could probably get in 47k people. |
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2014-01-17 1:18 PM in reply to: 0 |
Chicago | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery I've run Chicago 3x but I'm giving up on it, I think. It's fun to do a big race, but has gotten too big, too expensive, and is too much of a hassle. I'd rather stick to smaller fall races like Twin Cities, Columbus, etc. where they're still well-run but no problem entering and they're much cheaper. In 2012, it was hard to find room in the street in Chicago and it was still elbow-to-elbow in the late miles. Personally, I'm taking my running dollars to a more relaxed atmosphere. Edited by NewfangledDad 2014-01-17 1:19 PM |
2014-01-17 1:27 PM in reply to: NewfangledDad |
Elite 3770 | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Question regarding this. Why give a guaranteed entry to faster folks? Why not just go full lottery? I understand and agree with legacy program, but to reward those on time I don't see the purpose. |
2014-01-17 1:39 PM in reply to: turtlegirl |
489 | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by turtlegirl Question regarding this. Why give a guaranteed entry to faster folks? Why not just go full lottery? I understand and agree with legacy program, but to reward those on time I don't see the purpose. Because people that take running seriously and are prepared to make sacrifices are more worthy than a place than those that don't. It's set up as a running race by running people. This would be my guess (I'm a 4 hour marathon man on a good day btw) |
2014-01-17 1:45 PM in reply to: turtlegirl |
Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by turtlegirl Question regarding this. Why give a guaranteed entry to faster folks? Why not just go full lottery? I understand and agree with legacy program, but to reward those on time I don't see the purpose. My guess is adding qualifying times boosts brand awareness for the race. It also presents a challenge to runners who may not have otherwise wanted to do the race. |
2014-01-17 1:52 PM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by Dan-L Originally posted by turtlegirl Because people that take running seriously and are prepared to make sacrifices are more worthy than a place than those that don't. It's set up as a running race by running people. This would be my guess (I'm a 4 hour marathon man on a good day btw) Question regarding this. Why give a guaranteed entry to faster folks? Why not just go full lottery? I understand and agree with legacy program, but to reward those on time I don't see the purpose. I think the race just gets added prestige by allowing faster runners to qualify for guaranteed entry. It worked for NY and Boston.
Originally posted by Jason N My guess is adding qualifying times boosts brand awareness for the race. It also presents a challenge to runners who may not have otherwise wanted to do the race. Jason said what I meant more eloquently. Edited by msteiner 2014-01-17 1:53 PM |
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2014-01-17 1:53 PM in reply to: turtlegirl |
Regular 606 Portland, Oregon | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by turtlegirl Question regarding this. Why give a guaranteed entry to faster folks? Why not just go full lottery? I understand and agree with legacy program, but to reward those on time I don't see the purpose. Read above what 'chirunner' said. By opening more spots to faster people, you level out the crowds, so there will be more elbow room for everyone. |
2014-01-17 2:01 PM in reply to: 0 |
Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery love running, love races, do not see the attraction to running Chicago marathon THIS many times to quality for a qualified entry, ugggh! I ran it this past year (2nd time) just to prepare for upcoming Ironman... my first time in 2004... exciting... 2nd time, boring as hell. I cannot see running this marathon year after year, it's just plain boring. Edited by tarmac52 2014-01-17 2:09 PM |
2014-01-17 2:14 PM in reply to: dfroelich |
Elite 3770 | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery I suppose you attract more "serious runners", but it would shut me out as that I haven't yet done a marathon, just my 4 IMs and none were under 5 hours. I just don't really like the idea that if you're fast, we'll make it easy for you trends. This was a possibility for me, no longer interested if thats the case. And, glad I'm in for MCM this year since that may be where its going as well. I think that it is an unfortunate trend. |
2014-01-17 2:31 PM in reply to: tarmac52 |
Chicago, IL | Subject: RE: Chicago Marathon entry now a lottery Originally posted by tarmac52 love running, love races, do not see the attraction to running Chicago marathon THIS many times to quality for a qualified entry, ugggh! I ran it this past year (2nd time) just to prepare for upcoming Ironman... my first time in 2004... exciting... 2nd time, boring as hell. I cannot see running this marathon year after year, it's just plain boring. Depends on WHY you run it... I don't run it to win. I don't run it to set a PR. I don't run it because it's a fascinating course. I run it because I live here, and lots of my friends live here. Lots of my friends love running it (as do I). My non-runner friends treat marathon Sunday like a huge tailgate, so I see them partying at various points around the city. After the race, we all meet up to participate in a Sunday Funday for the ages (Monday is Columbus Day - HOLIDAY). That's why I run it, and will continue to run it every year, barring unforeseen injury/obligation. It might not be for everyone, and that's fine with me. But I love marathon Sunday. |
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