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 2014-04-08 1:59 PM |
Regular  1161    Hamilton, IL |  Subject: Why is the swim so shortOk, let me start by saying that I'm not necessarily a huge fan of swimming, BUT Why is the swim so short? Seriously. an Oly swim is 1500, so why does a race that is more than 4 times longer in the bike and more than 4 times longer in the run have a swim that is less than three times longer for the swim? On all of the races, the time spent is way disproportionate. What's the deal with that? Is it nutrition? cause that doesn't make sense. swimming sucks for calorie burn. I swear that I can swim for an hour and burn like 230 calories. Just seems like there are a lot of swim races out there and it's not uncommon to hear about 5k swims, so when Marathon races are kinda the big deal, that makes sense for a long distance tri, and century rides are kinda a big deal for cycling, so to have a long course cover over that kinda makes sense, too. So why is the swim short? Really, what I need is a race that has equally TIMED disciplines, Or at least something that isn't so disproportionate. I mean if you could make (for an Oly) 45 minute swim, 45 minute bike, and 45 minute run, then I'd be set. I know the 45 min doesn't pan out for people of different speeds, but you get the idea. In short, it's tuesday, I'm bored, and I suck at cycling. |
| 2014-04-08 2:04 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
928 | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short In short, it's tuesday, I'm bored, and I suck at cycling.  I also suck at cycling and wish some triathlons had proportionally more running. I like that the swim is shorter but I see your point. I'm not sure where the original distances came from, but it seems the proportions are here to stay (although the swim proportionally gets shorter when you move to HIM and IM distances). In my first tri-a-tri I liked that the run was still 5K. Swim was 400m and bike was 11K. |
| 2014-04-08 2:05 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
| Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Redondo beach super sprint tri is a .5 mile swim, 6 mile bike, 2 mile run, designed to be about 15 minutes per leg, and hard as f&&k if you actually race it |
| 2014-04-08 2:07 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short PS. I swear that the first person to give me a friggin' history lesson on the first IM will be put on my "ignore list" wait, do we even have an ignore feature? |
| 2014-04-08 2:08 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Member 1748 Exton, PA | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by Danno77 Ok, let me start by saying that I'm not necessarily a huge fan of swimming, BUT Why is the swim so short? Seriously. an Oly swim is 1500, so why does a race that is more than 4 times longer in the bike and more than 4 times longer in the run have a swim that is less than three times longer for the swim? On all of the races, the time spent is way disproportionate. What's the deal with that? Is it nutrition? cause that doesn't make sense. swimming sucks for calorie burn. I swear that I can swim for an hour and burn like 230 calories. Just seems like there are a lot of swim races out there and it's not uncommon to hear about 5k swims, so when Marathon races are kinda the big deal, that makes sense for a long distance tri, and century rides are kinda a big deal for cycling, so to have a long course cover over that kinda makes sense, too. So why is the swim short? Really, what I need is a race that has equally TIMED disciplines, Or at least something that isn't so disproportionate. I mean if you could make (for an Oly) 45 minute swim, 45 minute bike, and 45 minute run, then I'd be set. I know the 45 min doesn't pan out for people of different speeds, but you get the idea. In short, it's tuesday, I'm bored, and I suck at cycling. If your asking why Ironman swim is not longer it's because when it was originally set up they combined 3 known long distance events for each sport. The run was the marathon, the bike and swim I believe were 2 events held in Hawaii at the distances of 122 mile for the bike and 2.4 for the swim. I forget what those were called. Don't fool yourself, your burning huge amounts of calories on the swim. |
| 2014-04-08 2:09 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Member 1748 Exton, PA | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by Danno77 PS. I swear that the first person to give me a friggin' history lesson on the first IM will be put on my "ignore list" wait, do we even have an ignore feature? I win! |
| 2014-04-08 2:10 PM in reply to: mike761 |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by mike761 Originally posted by Danno77 PS. I swear that the first person to give me a friggin' history lesson on the first IM will be put on my "ignore list" wait, do we even have an ignore feature? I win! what did you say? lol |
| 2014-04-08 2:10 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by jennifer_runs In short, it's tuesday, I'm bored, and I suck at cycling. I also suck at cycling and wish some triathlons had proportionally more running. I like that the swim is shorter but I see your point. I'm not sure where the original distances came from, but it seems the proportions are here to stay (although the swim proportionally gets shorter when you move to HIM and IM distances). In my first tri-a-tri I liked that the run was still 5K. Swim was 400m and bike was 11K. The swim distance at IM comes from the distance of the Waikiki Roughwater swim, which was 2.4 miles/3.86K and used as the distance in the origional challenge when IM was conceived. (I wanted to win too) HAHA!!! Edited by Left Brain 2014-04-08 2:11 PM |
| 2014-04-08 2:10 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by Danno77 I swear that I can swim for an hour and burn like 230 calories. You're not doing it right. I agree with you BTW, I think a 3k swim to start an Oly would be sweet! |
| 2014-04-08 2:13 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
| 191 Melbourne, Florida | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by ChrisM Redondo beach super sprint tri is a .5 mile swim, 6 mile bike, 2 mile run, designed to be about 15 minutes per leg, and hard as f&&k if you actually race it This looks like fun. I'd add a few miles to the bike, though. |
| 2014-04-08 2:18 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
| 928 | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by jennifer_runs In short, it's tuesday, I'm bored, and I suck at cycling. I also suck at cycling and wish some triathlons had proportionally more running. I like that the swim is shorter but I see your point. I'm not sure where the original distances came from, but it seems the proportions are here to stay (although the swim proportionally gets shorter when you move to HIM and IM distances). In my first tri-a-tri I liked that the run was still 5K. Swim was 400m and bike was 11K. The swim distance at IM comes from the distance of the Waikiki Roughwater swim, which was 2.4 miles/3.86K and used as the distance in the origional challenge when IM was conceived. (I wanted to win too) HAHA!!! I knew it was something like that.  |
| 2014-04-08 2:19 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by Danno77 I swear that I can swim for an hour and burn like 230 calories. You're not doing it right. I agree with you BTW, I think a 3k swim to start an Oly would be sweet! For sure I'm doing it wrong. That wasn't the question, lol. Seriously, though, look at all the online calorie charts and calculators, etc and see what they say about Calorie burn. Have I been mislead all along? It really made sense to me, I mean I'm mostly using about the smallest "engines" I have when I swim (my arms). |
| 2014-04-08 2:24 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by Left Brain (I wanted to win too) HAHA!!! I "unfriend" you. |
| 2014-04-08 2:25 PM in reply to: 0 |
| over a barrier | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Have you ever seen Triathletes swim? That's why its short. (You'll burn about 100 calories per 400 meters) Edited by running2far 2014-04-08 2:26 PM |
| 2014-04-08 2:31 PM in reply to: running2far |
Elite 3090 Spokane, WA | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Because if the swim was 5 hours long (a good IM bike), people would drown. |
| 2014-04-08 2:34 PM in reply to: axteraa |
| 553 St Catharines, Ontario | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by Danno77 I swear that I can swim for an hour and burn like 230 calories. You're not doing it right. I agree with you BTW, I think a 3k swim to start an Oly would be sweet! Equilateral triathlon would require a 12km swim for IM distance. That would sort the men from the boys. |
| 2014-04-08 2:35 PM in reply to: badmo77a |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by badmo77a Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by Danno77 I swear that I can swim for an hour and burn like 230 calories. You're not doing it right. I agree with you BTW, I think a 3k swim to start an Oly would be sweet! Equilateral triathlon would require a 12km swim for IM distance. That would sort the men from the boys. I'm in. |
| 2014-04-08 2:37 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by badmo77a I'm in. Originally posted by axteraa Equilateral triathlon would require a 12km swim for IM distance. That would sort the men from the boys. Originally posted by Danno77 I swear that I can swim for an hour and burn like 230 calories. You're not doing it right. I agree with you BTW, I think a 3k swim to start an Oly would be sweet! I unfriend YOU! |
| 2014-04-08 2:41 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short really, why is the triathlon run so long. it would be more fair to me to have a longer bike and shorter run. We all know its all about the bike anyways. WAHH WAHH
man what is with today's thread topics |
| 2014-04-08 2:44 PM in reply to: zed707 |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by zed707 Because if the swim was 5 hours long (a good IM bike), people would drown. Thin the heard. This is why I'd only do wetsuit legal swims. roll over and float baby! [Almost] drown proof. |
| 2014-04-08 3:06 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by ChrisM Redondo beach super sprint tri is a .5 mile swim, 6 mile bike, 2 mile run, designed to be about 15 minutes per leg, and hard as f&&k if you actually race it Oh, that's gotta hurt! Short enough that you need to hammer the whole time, but long enough that the suffering feels like it's never going to end.
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| 2014-04-08 4:02 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Extreme Veteran 1190 Silicon Valley | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Here is how the numbers actually break down if you wanted to 'equalize' the events time wise. I took the top 100 male & female finishers at the Beach 2 Battleship (because their data was better formatted than IM). The I averaged the time for the 200 athletes for each of the three events and overall time. Average swim = 1:09:09 (10.06%) Average bike = 6:03:31 (52.88%) Average run = 4:14:43 (37.06%) Average overall = 11:27:23 So to make each one approximately even time wise each would need to be 3:39:08 long. Imagine the DNF in that swim. In short, it's tuesday, I'm bored, and I suck at running. |
| 2014-04-08 4:12 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by Danno77 ... BUT Why is the swim so short? ... What, are you 3!  I'd ask why isn't it shorter... |
| 2014-04-08 4:28 PM in reply to: Donto |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short I don't think it would get a lot of sign ups, but I think it would be cool to have an event called the EQUALIZER Tri where you spend approx. the same amount of time in each discipline. So basically take the average times for swim, bike and run and determine the distances based on that, someting along those lines. Strong swimmers would do quite well as there would be a substantial lead heading into the bike. Then for great cyclists with MOP swim paces it would come down to the run. Interstingly enough our annual local corporate challenge tri, a sprint, was 500m swim, 9 mile bike, 2.4 mile run but last year they increased the run to 3.2 miles. So you have a 500m swim, 9 mile bike and 3.2 mile run and I think the last two years my bike and run were only seconds apart. Percentage wise it's a very run heavy race. The 9 miles is a few steep rolling hills so it's NOT an easy 9 miles and the last 1/2 mile of the run is all up hill. |
| 2014-04-08 5:11 PM in reply to: reecealan |
Extreme Veteran 1190 Silicon Valley | Subject: RE: Why is the swim so short Originally posted by reecealan I don't think it would get a lot of sign ups, but I think it would be cool to have an event called the EQUALIZER Tri where you spend approx. the same amount of time in each discipline. So basically take the average times for swim, bike and run and determine the distances based on that, someting along those lines. Strong swimmers would do quite well as there would be a substantial lead heading into the bike. Then for great cyclists with MOP swim paces it would come down to the run. I'd sign up for an EQUALIZER. Say a HIM distance. if 3:39 was the average for an IM then 1:50 approximately for an HIM EQUALIZER. That's doable even for an old guy like me. But in the interest of full disclosure, I am a fishie. |
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