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2014-04-22 9:27 AM

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Subject: Do you think she ran or not?

I'm asking this strictly out of curiosity--in the long run this perplexing situation has no bearing on my life whatsoever, but I'm curious what other people might think went on.

I have a coworker who told me months ago she was training for her first marathon to be run on April 19th--Saturday.  I also happened to be running the half marathon.  So over the last few months we would talk training, etc.  Thursday she came into my room on my prep and we talked for a good 30 minutes about running in general, how bad the taper sucks, etc.  I wished her good luck and told her I couldn't wait to hear how it went.  Race happened Saturday morning--both the marathon and 1/2 started at the same time--I kept an eye out for her but didn't see her, no big deal, not surprising.  Saturday evening once I was home I thought 'I should check to see how "Sally" did.  So I went to results.  She wasn't listed anywhere, in fact no one from our town was listed having run the marathon--not in the DNF, DNS--she was no where to be found.  I though that was strange but figured maybe she registered under a different last name or something.  Monday morning comes so I shoot her a gmail and asked how it went.  She replied right away that it was life changing, unbelievable, she'll do another marathon for sure. She gave me her finish time down to the second.  Curiosity got the better of me so I looked under overall finishers, overall female finishers, her age group finishers and no one recorded that time, nor was her name anywhere to be found.  I'm wondering if she even ran the darn thing?  Or maybe ran it as a bandit?  But that makes no sense to me.  I'm not going to press it further with her, but I'm curious what others think.



2014-04-22 9:36 AM
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you have to see her walk. That tends to be a dead give away. Your right it does not sound good for her case unless for some reason it was the wrong race. Also if it was chipped timed and she used her own chip but did not link her to her chip. Did you check the half or other distances? I know my dad used to call any race a marathon even 5ks. It took a lot of correcting to straighten him out. Who knows maybe she just had a faulty chip that was not tested.

Like I said you can try to see walk. Even in my best marathon days I always left clue the next day.
2014-04-22 10:20 AM
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I think she stole the bike.

2014-04-22 10:23 AM
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maybe she raced as a man and is working on a gender transition?

2014-04-22 10:25 AM
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I think you have to call her on it and report back asap.
2014-04-22 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by mehaner

maybe she raced as a man and is working on a gender transition?

Lol...I thought of that and checked men's times too--the time she gave me doesn't exist, there is a time 20 seconds before her time and 15 seconds after her time.  No record of that time.



2014-04-22 10:40 AM
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I ran a half on Saturday and I don't show up anywhere on the results - not my name, not my number, nothing. --and I have the cancelled check to prove I registered and have the gps info to prove I ran the race, and the bib on my fridge to prove I was given a number even though if you input that very number, nothing. My not showing up anywhere on the results page didn't mean anything.

on the other hand, some key differences - how does she know to the exact second if her timing didn't register? yes, could be she did it with her gps, but the reality is, your official time is your time, not your gps time. you also would expect that she would have said, the darn results didn't include me, but according to my gps, my time was xxxx. you could ask a couple more questions like, did you run with a gps watch? my gps didn't sync up to my official time - how about yours? then make a comment about the finisher medal - like, that little slower ring they put on the back of the medals was really cool - and if she agrees about something that isn't there, you know she is full of it.

I had a co-worker once that claimed she had run several marathons, finishing in just under 3 hours. she was a bit overweight and had that kind of skin that overweight since she was a kid people have. when me at the other person at work said something about medals, she claimed, "oh the marathon I ran they didn't give out medals" ....uh, what marathon doesn't give out finishers medals? and if you did a marathon, a full 26.2 real marathon under 3 hours just to check it off your bucket list, wow, I applaud you and your freakish ability.



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2014-04-22 10:49 AM
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I am thinking bandit. It is surprising how easily people justify stealing a race, especially if it is their first and they don't plan on placing in the race. "Oh I don't want a t-shirt and I won't take a medal so I don't need to pay". 

2014-04-22 10:56 AM
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Do the race have race photos? You can always check them.
2014-04-22 10:59 AM
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And you are CERTAIN she ran the SAME race? 

I would probably mention to her that her results didn't get recorded. Assume the best... right? And the best is that her results didn't get recorded and she needs to know about it, as most people would be upset or at least want to know. 

 

2014-04-22 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by Aarondb4

 

I am thinking bandit. It is surprising how easily people justify stealing a race, especially if it is their first and they don't plan on placing in the race. "Oh I don't want a t-shirt and I won't take a medal so I don't need to pay". 

that is so bizarre to me - putting down the money for the race i will never win is the only REAL thing that keeps me honest about training!  $0 = 0 give a sh**



2014-04-22 11:12 AM
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It was definitely the same race.  I tried to get a little more detail and asked what she thought thought of the course--expecting to get some description like 'the hills were really tough in the first five miles' but all she said was 'I actually liked the course.'  I also asked what color the marathon shirts were, kind of joking about the bright yellow of the 1/2 marathon shirts and that we should wear them on Friday.  No response to that at all.

I suppose her bib might not have registered, that's a possibility.

2014-04-22 11:17 AM
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This sounds like it could have been a Seinfeld episode.

2014-04-22 12:19 PM
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A girl I know claimed to have run Boston a handful of times. I didn't believe her, stalked the results, and confronted her when I couldn't find her name. She claims that she bandited the course a few times.

I only felt vengeful because I was training for my first marathon, and she just HAD to one up me if I mentioned it. I knew her through a running group, so, naturally, the conversation of training and upcoming races came up often.

2014-04-22 12:30 PM
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Do I think she ran? Probably not. People lie all the time about all kinds of things. That is the simplest, most likely explanation of the facts that you do know. Second likeliest is that she bandited the race. A possibility. Third most likeliest is that the timing system failed to record her and the results don't list her because of the lack of a chip signal.

Even if I had ironclad evidence that Sally did not participate, I would still play along if it ever came up again. I would never initiate another conversation on the topic, but if she or someone else brought it up, I would let her story stand on its own merit. It is her lie to sustain. Telling the truth is so much easier in the long run (pun? sorrt of?). What is there to be gained or lost by anyone to call her out? A bit of embarrassment for Sally if she is forced to admit the lie. A little ego boosting for those who really did put in the effort. Plus, there is a great deal to be lost by someone calling Sally out on it and by some chance she did run and the lack of evidence in the results is a mistake.

I might offer to run with her the next time she runs a race, just to help her with her running and her honesty. TW

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2014-04-22 12:39 PM
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Subject: RE: Do you think she ran or not?

Originally posted by ingleshteechur

It was definitely the same race.  I tried to get a little more detail and asked what she thought thought of the course--expecting to get some description like 'the hills were really tough in the first five miles' but all she said was 'I actually liked the course.'  I also asked what color the marathon shirts were, kind of joking about the bright yellow of the 1/2 marathon shirts and that we should wear them on Friday.  No response to that at all.

I suppose her bib might not have registered, that's a possibility.

I was going to say give her the benefit of the doubt until you posted that. I'd say that since there is no record of her even being there, plus she's being evasive, I would guess that she's full of it. That's sad--why would anyone do that?

As you mentioned in your OP, I'd definitely let it go at this point. Either:

1. She bandited it.

2. She had a timing malfunction. I find this unlikely because you would think that anyone who was serious enough to do a marathon would know that results are online and would have mentioned that to you--especially since she gave you the exact time.

3. She' crazy.



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2014-04-22 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by chirunner134 Do the race have race photos? You can always check them.

Tried that, looked them up by her name but there were no results that matched. It's a mystery!

2014-04-22 1:01 PM
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I ran a race once but it didn't register an official time for me. When I asked the RD where my time was, he said I must not have crossed the finish line. I assured him I was there and even found the photos of me running the race. He then said `Oh, well, there must've been a chip malfunction. Sorry.' It happens.

The only reason I'd pursue it if I were you is if she dared put a `26.2' sticker on her car. That'd be going too far.
2014-04-22 1:02 PM
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Originally posted by tech_geezer

Do I think she ran? Probably not. People lie all the time about all kinds of things. That is the simplest, most likely explanation of the facts that you do know. Second likeliest is that she bandited the race. A possibility. Third most likeliest is that the timing system failed to record her and the results don't list her because of the lack of a chip signal.

Even if I had ironclad evidence that Sally did not participate, I would still play along if it ever came up again. I would never initiate another conversation on the topic, but if she or someone else brought it up, I would let her story stand on its own merit. It is her lie to sustain. Telling the truth is so much easier in the long run (pun? sorrt of?). What is there to be gained or lost by anyone to call her out? A bit of embarrassment for Sally if she is forced to admit the lie. A little ego boosting for those who really did put in the effort. Plus, there is a great deal to be lost by someone calling Sally out on it and by some chance she did run and the lack of evidence in the results is a mistake.

I might offer to run with her the next time she runs a race, just to help her with her running and her honesty. TW



I agree - if she is full of it, clearly there is something wrong with her self esteem that she made it up. Let it go and let her pretend.
2014-04-22 1:22 PM
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I ran a race once but it didn't register an official time for me. When I asked the RD where my time was, he said I must not have crossed the finish line. I assured him I was there and even found the photos of me running the race. He then said `Oh, well, there must've been a chip malfunction. Sorry.' It happens.

The only reason I'd pursue it if I were you is if she dared put a `26.2' sticker on her car. That'd be going too far.


I know someone that got an Ironman tat - on her neck - and didn't do a full ironman. I still let it go because what's it to me that she tatted, or stickered. People who want to see the truth see it, the rest will just think less of you for refusing to let them exercise their right to be blind.







2014-04-22 1:34 PM
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Originally posted by tech_geezer Do I think she ran? Probably not. People lie all the time about all kinds of things. That is the simplest, most likely explanation of the facts that you do know. Second likeliest is that she bandited the race. A possibility. Third most likeliest is that the timing system failed to record her and the results don't list her because of the lack of a chip signal.

Even if I had ironclad evidence that Sally did not participate, I would still play along if it ever came up again. I would never initiate another conversation on the topic, but if she or someone else brought it up, I would let her story stand on its own merit. It is her lie to sustain. Telling the truth is so much easier in the long run (pun? sorrt of?). What is there to be gained or lost by anyone to call her out? A bit of embarrassment for Sally if she is forced to admit the lie. A little ego boosting for those who really did put in the effort. Plus, there is a great deal to be lost by someone calling Sally out on it and by some chance she did run and the lack of evidence in the results is a mistake.

I might offer to run with her the next time she runs a race, just to help her with her running and her honesty. TW

Offer to run a race with her?!  That level of kindness blows me away.

I might not call her out on it if it is really just a question about the race (though I absolutely might).  I would, however, not hesitate to call her out on it if this kind of thing happens regularly and is a part of her character.  If it is a long-standing issue of integrity, I would most likely say something.



2014-04-22 1:45 PM
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Originally posted by tech_geezer Do I think she ran? Probably not. People lie all the time about all kinds of things. That is the simplest, most likely explanation of the facts that you do know. Second likeliest is that she bandited the race. A possibility. Third most likeliest is that the timing system failed to record her and the results don't list her because of the lack of a chip signal.

Even if I had ironclad evidence that Sally did not participate, I would still play along if it ever came up again. I would never initiate another conversation on the topic, but if she or someone else brought it up, I would let her story stand on its own merit. It is her lie to sustain. Telling the truth is so much easier in the long run (pun? sorrt of?). What is there to be gained or lost by anyone to call her out? A bit of embarrassment for Sally if she is forced to admit the lie. A little ego boosting for those who really did put in the effort. Plus, there is a great deal to be lost by someone calling Sally out on it and by some chance she did run and the lack of evidence in the results is a mistake.

I might offer to run with her the next time she runs a race, just to help her with her running and her honesty. TW

Or, have some fun with it.  Bring up the topic of the race every chance you have around her.  Start with mundane things like something fun going on at an aid station, how they could have used more port-o-potties, etc, then gradually make the reminiscing more silly over time, eventually making up crazy things like the elephant that escaped from the zoo and ran out onto the course.  It could be fun to see how long she plays along, and if she ever calls you out for making things up, because she was there and didn't see what you describe, or if she just starts avoiding you.  

 

2014-04-22 2:06 PM
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I would ask her how the race went but not push the issue.

A few years ago a co-worker in another location told me that he had run a couple of marathons a year in the previous two years. When I looked up his name on marathonguide.com he was nowhere to be found. So I figured that he ran shorter races and called them marathons or just made it up, I didn't call him out but I also never brought up running with him again.
2014-04-22 2:08 PM
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I think she stole the bike.

I just spit my water out on this one.  Nice thread reference LB.

 

In reply to the OP'er.....  She's gotta be a race pirate. 

2014-04-22 2:32 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

I think she stole the bike.

I just spit my water out on this one.  Nice thread reference LB.

 

In reply to the OP'er.....  She's gotta be a race pirate. 




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