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 2014-05-23 12:28 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Pro  15655    |  Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns?Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by Left Brain Why the heck are so many of these IM people on this forum posting 10k+ a week, then? This is a serious question, not my usually sarcastic one. Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by TriMyBest I do think that you might be missing the added benefits of hundreds of thousands of OWS workouts that could probably counteract the ability to do flip turns. How many athletes get the opportunity to swim in such a wide range of conditions as one who solely trains outdoors? I'm not discounting what you are saying, just saying that there's another angle to consider. . Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by TriMyBest The thing that usually gets me about these posts is the assumptions that everybody swims in a pool. I feel sorry for that sucker who is swimming laps around an island all year long without the opportunity to become a better swimmer. The anti-flip turn posts in these threads make me laugh at how ridiculous and adamant the arguments are. We never see anyone arguing that better bike handling skills won't make someone a better triathlete even though most of the skills are rarely needed in non-drafting races, yet, there are all sorts of rationalizations why flip turns won't make you a better triathlete. IMO, it's as simple as saying that any skills that make you a better swimmer, cyclist, or runner will contribute to being a better triathlete. To specifically answer the OP, I do flip turns because...
In short, are they necessary?...Absolutely not. Will they make you a better triathlete?...Absolutely yes.
Ok, I'll bite As LB was kind enough to point out, this thread is about why or why not to do flip turns, so it's pretty much a given that there's a pool involved. Also, you seem to have either missed or misunderstood the last sentence of my post where I said flip turns aren't necessary, but they will make you a better triathlete. Again, they are not necessary. No where did I say they were, or that they were in any way essential to becoming a good swimmer. They just fall onto the lists of skills that will contribute to being a better triathlete. BUT, I will say that take the person who is only swimming open water and compare it to what they could achieve in a pool and they are almost certainly performing well beneath their potential. (This assumes coaching / instruction from a source that is even marginally competent.) So, even though your post appeared to be sarcastic, you are right. The person who is only swimming laps around an island all year long doesn't have the same opportunities for improvement as they would if they spent some portion of their training cycle in the controlled environment of a pool where it's easier to measure everything that happens.
There is no other added benefit to consider, and there is no added benefit from swimming hundreds of thousands of OWS yards over the person doing very structured and planned interval workouts. If you think there is then you don't understand how to get fast at swimming. Yes, you have to do some open water swimming to practice sighting, get used to the sun and waves, etc. But nobody gets the true benefit of swim workouts by continuously swimming the same yards over and over. I don't care if it's in the pool or in the ocean. Like you say....if you don't care then you don't care.....but we're talking about trying to swim better/faster and the benefits of flip turns in the program. You go swim hundreds of thousands of yards around an island....I'll take a person of exact ability and put them in a structured interval program. At the end of a set period you can race. Prepare to have your arse handed to you.
Most all of it is interval work......and 10K per week is a fairly light amount of swimming. As an example, my kid can likely do an IM swim in about 50 minutes.....he rarely swims anything longer than a 200 in practice. |
...| 2014-05-23 12:39 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Regular 1161  Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Left Brain Most all of it is interval work......and 10K per week is a fairly light amount of swimming. As an example, my kid can likely do an IM swim in about 50 minutes.....he rarely swims anything longer than a 200 in practice. Interval work to me is confusing. I've done searches for it and never seem to get a real answer. I understand intervals in running, and also do them in cycling, but when swimming (and I know what you are saying, this isn't the first time I've heard it) what is unclear is how do you rest, what is rest...when do you start the next set? Is it HR, is it time, is it when you feel rested, what dictates when you start the next set. The answer is usually "depends" and then there are 793 variables that I need to answer before knowing how long to rest. What? Someone just tell me what to swim, even the training plans I see have interval sets, but not usually much advice as to how to approach them. I know I'm sidetracking the thread a little, but I'm not feeling bad. There are about a million threads on flip turns, so no big loss. I will say this, though. I've gone from swimming 2:10 per 100y all out for 100, to being able to swim 1:42 on a 1500y and somewhere sub 1:20 for a 100y all out (just ONE at that pace, tho), so there must be some benefit from just pure volume (like position)... |
| 2014-05-23 12:46 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
New user 1351 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by Left Brain Most all of it is interval work......and 10K per week is a fairly light amount of swimming. As an example, my kid can likely do an IM swim in about 50 minutes.....he rarely swims anything longer than a 200 in practice. Interval work to me is confusing. I've done searches for it and never seem to get a real answer. I understand intervals in running, and also do them in cycling, but when swimming (and I know what you are saying, this isn't the first time I've heard it) what is unclear is how do you rest, what is rest...when do you start the next set? Is it HR, is it time, is it when you feel rested, what dictates when you start the next set. The answer is usually "depends" and then there are 793 variables that I need to answer before knowing how long to rest. What? Someone just tell me what to swim, even the training plans I see have interval sets, but not usually much advice as to how to approach them. I know I'm sidetracking the thread a little, but I'm not feeling bad. There are about a million threads on flip turns, so no big loss. I will say this, though. I've gone from swimming 2:10 per 100y all out for 100, to being able to swim 1:42 on a 1500y and somewhere sub 1:20 for a 100y all out (just ONE at that pace, tho), so there must be some benefit from just pure volume (like position)... If there is a master's swim group near you, I'd recommend it as one of the best things you can do for your training. The group I swim with works with various levels of perceived exertion. You've got: Easy (recovery) Pace (comfortable effort) Push Pace (probably around 85% of max heart rate) and Fast ( all out). Rest is anywhere between 10 and 30 seconds, depending on the distance and intensity of whatever we're doing, but it's never over 400m, and rarely over 300m. Pushing yourself to higher heart rates for a short period of time will increase your body's ability to deal with the lactic acid buildup and will therefore make you more fit. I say join a master's group because it is honestly so much easier (for me at least) to have someone just tell me what to do. I also regularly do up to 10K a week when I'm IM training, and almost all of that is interval stuff rather than just long constant swimming. |
| 2014-05-23 12:49 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
| 631 | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by Left Brain Most all of it is interval work......and 10K per week is a fairly light amount of swimming. As an example, my kid can likely do an IM swim in about 50 minutes.....he rarely swims anything longer than a 200 in practice. Interval work to me is confusing. I've done searches for it and never seem to get a real answer. I understand intervals in running, and also do them in cycling, but when swimming (and I know what you are saying, this isn't the first time I've heard it) what is unclear is how do you rest, what is rest...when do you start the next set? Is it HR, is it time, is it when you feel rested, what dictates when you start the next set. The answer is usually "depends" and then there are 793 variables that I need to answer before knowing how long to rest. What? Someone just tell me what to swim, even the training plans I see have interval sets, but not usually much advice as to how to approach them. I know I'm sidetracking the thread a little, but I'm not feeling bad. There are about a million threads on flip turns, so no big loss. I will say this, though. I've gone from swimming 2:10 per 100y all out for 100, to being able to swim 1:42 on a 1500y and somewhere sub 1:20 for a 100y all out (just ONE at that pace, tho), so there must be some benefit from just pure volume (like position)... Normally you would swim to the pace clock. For interval it it would often be " on the". So say you are doing 100 on the 2:00. If you do it in 1:50 you get :10 rest, 1:30 you get :30 rest. http://www.usms.org/articles/articledisplay.php?aid=1929 |
| 2014-05-23 12:52 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by Left Brain Interval work to me is confusing. I've done searches for it and never seem to get a real answer. I understand intervals in running, and also do them in cycling, but when swimming (and I know what you are saying, this isn't the first time I've heard it) what is unclear is how do you rest, what is rest...when do you start the next set? Is it HR, is it time, is it when you feel rested, what dictates when you start the next set. The answer is usually "depends" and then there are 793 variables that I need to answer before knowing how long to rest. What? Someone just tell me what to swim, even the training plans I see have interval sets, but not usually much advice as to how to approach them. I know I'm sidetracking the thread a little, but I'm not feeling bad. There are about a million threads on flip turns, so no big loss. I will say this, though. I've gone from swimming 2:10 per 100y all out for 100, to being able to swim 1:42 on a 1500y and somewhere sub 1:20 for a 100y all out (just ONE at that pace, tho), so there must be some benefit from just pure volume (like position)... Most all of it is interval work......and 10K per week is a fairly light amount of swimming. As an example, my kid can likely do an IM swim in about 50 minutes.....he rarely swims anything longer than a 200 in practice. I saw your most recent Oly swim....33:00..and I know that race well as someone in my family or I have participated the last 3 years before this one. You aren't 1:42/100 in an OWS, at least not last week. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I know a lot of those people in that race and I know who the 1:30 - 1:40/100 swimmers are and you weren't close to them. The good news is that you have quite a bit of time to gain by swimming better. The best way for you to learn about intervals and swim workouts is to find a masters group near you. Or go watch a local club practice. If you want to get truly faster at swimming you need that type of work. If you really want to learn about it you need to find some avenue to see it done and get a feel for it. |
| 2014-05-23 12:53 PM in reply to: Sidney Porter |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Sidney Porter Well, that's all fine and dandy, but now that I know how to read a race clock and I know the terminology, I should be doing my intervals on the what, exactly? Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by Left Brain Most all of it is interval work......and 10K per week is a fairly light amount of swimming. As an example, my kid can likely do an IM swim in about 50 minutes.....he rarely swims anything longer than a 200 in practice. Interval work to me is confusing. I've done searches for it and never seem to get a real answer. I understand intervals in running, and also do them in cycling, but when swimming (and I know what you are saying, this isn't the first time I've heard it) what is unclear is how do you rest, what is rest...when do you start the next set? Is it HR, is it time, is it when you feel rested, what dictates when you start the next set. The answer is usually "depends" and then there are 793 variables that I need to answer before knowing how long to rest. What? Someone just tell me what to swim, even the training plans I see have interval sets, but not usually much advice as to how to approach them. I know I'm sidetracking the thread a little, but I'm not feeling bad. There are about a million threads on flip turns, so no big loss. I will say this, though. I've gone from swimming 2:10 per 100y all out for 100, to being able to swim 1:42 on a 1500y and somewhere sub 1:20 for a 100y all out (just ONE at that pace, tho), so there must be some benefit from just pure volume (like position)... Normally you would swim to the pace clock. For interval it it would often be " on the". So say you are doing 100 on the 2:00. If you do it in 1:50 you get :10 rest, 1:30 you get :30 rest. http://www.usms.org/articles/articledisplay.php?aid=1929 I really should lead every swimming post I make with the THERE ARE NO MASTERS CLASSES NEAR HERE. Well, that's not true, I could get a membership to a different YMCA that is 50 minutes away and they offer something I think. Ain't happening, though. Not even once a week. |
| 2014-05-23 12:55 PM in reply to: 0 |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by Left Brain Interval work to me is confusing. I've done searches for it and never seem to get a real answer. I understand intervals in running, and also do them in cycling, but when swimming (and I know what you are saying, this isn't the first time I've heard it) what is unclear is how do you rest, what is rest...when do you start the next set? Is it HR, is it time, is it when you feel rested, what dictates when you start the next set. The answer is usually "depends" and then there are 793 variables that I need to answer before knowing how long to rest. What? Someone just tell me what to swim, even the training plans I see have interval sets, but not usually much advice as to how to approach them. I know I'm sidetracking the thread a little, but I'm not feeling bad. There are about a million threads on flip turns, so no big loss. I will say this, though. I've gone from swimming 2:10 per 100y all out for 100, to being able to swim 1:42 on a 1500y and somewhere sub 1:20 for a 100y all out (just ONE at that pace, tho), so there must be some benefit from just pure volume (like position)... Most all of it is interval work......and 10K per week is a fairly light amount of swimming. As an example, my kid can likely do an IM swim in about 50 minutes.....he rarely swims anything longer than a 200 in practice. I saw your most recent Oly swim....33:00..and I know that race well as someone in my family or I have participated the last 3 years before this one. You aren't 1:42/100 in an OWS, at least not last week. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I know a lot of those people in that race and I know who the 1:30 - 1:40/100 swimmers are and you weren't close to them. The good news is that you have quite a bit of time to gain by swimming better. The best way for you to learn about intervals and swim workouts is to find a masters group near you. Or go watch a local club practice. If you want to get truly faster at swimming you need that type of work. If you really want to learn about it you need to find some avenue to see it done and get a feel for it. That was a 1:51 pace, I swam further than the actual Oly distance. ETA: wetsuit aided, but not pushing off the wall iin an ndoor pool with no sighting issues and full effort. I didn't do a full race report, but I really dogged this race because I freaked out on the OWS last year (my first). 1:42 is a documented pace in the pool. My logs should have it somewhere. Edited by Danno77 2014-05-23 12:58 PM |
| 2014-05-23 12:59 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by Left Brain That was a 1:51 pace, I swam further than the actual Oly distance. Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by Left Brain Interval work to me is confusing. I've done searches for it and never seem to get a real answer. I understand intervals in running, and also do them in cycling, but when swimming (and I know what you are saying, this isn't the first time I've heard it) what is unclear is how do you rest, what is rest...when do you start the next set? Is it HR, is it time, is it when you feel rested, what dictates when you start the next set. The answer is usually "depends" and then there are 793 variables that I need to answer before knowing how long to rest. What? Someone just tell me what to swim, even the training plans I see have interval sets, but not usually much advice as to how to approach them. I know I'm sidetracking the thread a little, but I'm not feeling bad. There are about a million threads on flip turns, so no big loss. I will say this, though. I've gone from swimming 2:10 per 100y all out for 100, to being able to swim 1:42 on a 1500y and somewhere sub 1:20 for a 100y all out (just ONE at that pace, tho), so there must be some benefit from just pure volume (like position)... Most all of it is interval work......and 10K per week is a fairly light amount of swimming. As an example, my kid can likely do an IM swim in about 50 minutes.....he rarely swims anything longer than a 200 in practice. I saw your most recent Oly swim....33:00..and I know that race well as someone in my family or I have participated the last 3 years before this one. You aren't 1:42/100 in an OWS, at least not last week. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I know a lot of those people in that race and I know who the 1:30 - 1:40/100 swimmers are and you weren't close to them. The good news is that you have quite a bit of time to gain by swimming better. The best way for you to learn about intervals and swim workouts is to find a masters group near you. Or go watch a local club practice. If you want to get truly faster at swimming you need that type of work. If you really want to learn about it you need to find some avenue to see it done and get a feel for it. We must use different metrics to measure 100 pace too. |
| 2014-05-23 1:02 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Left Brain We must use different metrics to measure 100 pace too. I didn't do the math, look at the entry in my log. I can hook you up with the garmin connect activity if it would be helpful. |
| 2014-05-23 1:03 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? I'[m not trying to beat you up over your swim time, I'm just having some fun with you since you like sarcasm so much. Since you can hold 1:42 for 1500, why don't you start with 100 intervals on 2:00. That means every 2:00 you are off on anhother 100. Start with 2 sets of 6, and take a couple minutes between. When you get to the point where you can do 2 set sof 10 on 2:00 go back to 2 sets of 6 and drop the time to 1:55. That would at least get you used to doing intervals. From there you can find other workouts and gtet a feel for the effort you will be asked to put forth and can at least guage where your fitness/swim level is. That's an easy way to start since you don't appear to have many options. |
| 2014-05-23 1:13 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? That's a good place to start Danno. Another one that could be good would be (im using similar times as LB for your set) 4x (25 leaving on :25, 50 leaving on :50, 75 leaving on 1:15, 100 leaving on 1:40) |
| 2014-05-23 1:15 PM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Danno77 Interval work to me is confusing. I've done searches for it and never seem to get a real answer. I understand intervals in running, and also do them in cycling, but when swimming (and I know what you are saying, this isn't the first time I've heard it) what is unclear is how do you rest, what is rest...when do you start the next set? Is it HR, is it time, is it when you feel rested, what dictates when you start the next set. The answer is usually "depends" and then there are 793 variables that I need to answer before knowing how long to rest. What? Someone just tell me what to swim, even the training plans I see have interval sets, but not usually much advice as to how to approach them. I know I'm sidetracking the thread a little, but I'm not feeling bad. There are about a million threads on flip turns, so no big loss. I will say this, though. I've gone from swimming 2:10 per 100y all out for 100, to being able to swim 1:42 on a 1500y and somewhere sub 1:20 for a 100y all out (just ONE at that pace, tho), so there must be some benefit from just pure volume (like position)... Buy "Swim Workouts for triathletes" by Gale Berhardt. 2nd edition It's part of the workout in a binder series. Simple and efficient. She explains how to measure your Threshold pace and it gives paces based on it. There is a plan for Sprint, OLY/HIM and IM There is an advanced and normal level. Edited by marcag 2014-05-23 1:36 PM |
| 2014-05-23 1:48 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Danno77 Originally posted by Left Brain Interval work to me is confusing. I've done searches for it and never seem to get a real answer. I understand intervals in running, and also do them in cycling, but when swimming (and I know what you are saying, this isn't the first time I've heard it) what is unclear is how do you rest, what is rest...when do you start the next set? Is it HR, is it time, is it when you feel rested, what dictates when you start the next set. The answer is usually "depends" and then there are 793 variables that I need to answer before knowing how long to rest. What? Someone just tell me what to swim, even the training plans I see have interval sets, but not usually much advice as to how to approach them. I know I'm sidetracking the thread a little, but I'm not feeling bad. There are about a million threads on flip turns, so no big loss. I will say this, though. I've gone from swimming 2:10 per 100y all out for 100, to being able to swim 1:42 on a 1500y and somewhere sub 1:20 for a 100y all out (just ONE at that pace, tho), so there must be some benefit from just pure volume (like position)... Most all of it is interval work......and 10K per week is a fairly light amount of swimming. As an example, my kid can likely do an IM swim in about 50 minutes.....he rarely swims anything longer than a 200 in practice. Here's a freebie for you:
2,000 yd Endurance Speed Warm up - 2 x 250 FR [150 FR, 4x25 Distance Per Stroke (DPS) - Maximize the distance that each arm can propel you. Count the number of strokes per 25] @ :15 RI Main Set - Cool Down - 200 FR/BK Easy Effort T-pace is your pace per 100 for a 1,000 yd time trial. RI is Rest Interval. FR is Free Style (front crawl) BK is Back Stroke
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| 2014-05-23 1:51 PM in reply to: marcag |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by Danno77 Interval work to me is confusing. I've done searches for it and never seem to get a real answer. I understand intervals in running, and also do them in cycling, but when swimming (and I know what you are saying, this isn't the first time I've heard it) what is unclear is how do you rest, what is rest...when do you start the next set? Is it HR, is it time, is it when you feel rested, what dictates when you start the next set. The answer is usually "depends" and then there are 793 variables that I need to answer before knowing how long to rest. What? Someone just tell me what to swim, even the training plans I see have interval sets, but not usually much advice as to how to approach them. I know I'm sidetracking the thread a little, but I'm not feeling bad. There are about a million threads on flip turns, so no big loss. I will say this, though. I've gone from swimming 2:10 per 100y all out for 100, to being able to swim 1:42 on a 1500y and somewhere sub 1:20 for a 100y all out (just ONE at that pace, tho), so there must be some benefit from just pure volume (like position)... Buy "Swim Workouts for triathletes" by Gale Berhardt. 2nd edition It's part of the workout in a binder series. Simple and efficient. She explains how to measure your Threshold pace and it gives paces based on it. There is a plan for Sprint, OLY/HIM and IM There is an advanced and normal level. Coincidentally, the workout I posted above is a modified version of one of the sessions in that book.
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| 2014-05-23 1:52 PM in reply to: marcag |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Thanks all for the tips, direction, advice. Do you think that in one month's time I can see a drop of 5 sec per 100y in a short race? There is this YMcA triathlon and I did my first tri at it in 2012 and swam a 7:23, then 6:25 last year. It's a 350yd serpentine pool race. I have tried it a couple of times mid workout and was down 5:15 +/-, but that was in one lane and theoretically if you start on one side of the pool and zigzag to the other there has to be another 25 yards or so in there. I'd like to be down around 5 flat for the entire race, but certainly under 5:15. Every second will count for this race. Not for place, but for personal goal. The one caveat is that I'm training for a 70.3 in oct and I don't want this to hinder that training. I'm actually pretty sure that I could go out and swim that 1.2mi right now (sighting should be easier for this 70.3 than my last race) So, knowing that, any different suggestions for swim training? |
| 2014-05-23 1:58 PM in reply to: marcag |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by Danno77 Interval work to me is confusing. I've done searches for it and never seem to get a real answer. I understand intervals in running, and also do them in cycling, but when swimming (and I know what you are saying, this isn't the first time I've heard it) what is unclear is how do you rest, what is rest...when do you start the next set? Is it HR, is it time, is it when you feel rested, what dictates when you start the next set. The answer is usually "depends" and then there are 793 variables that I need to answer before knowing how long to rest. What? Someone just tell me what to swim, even the training plans I see have interval sets, but not usually much advice as to how to approach them. I know I'm sidetracking the thread a little, but I'm not feeling bad. There are about a million threads on flip turns, so no big loss. I will say this, though. I've gone from swimming 2:10 per 100y all out for 100, to being able to swim 1:42 on a 1500y and somewhere sub 1:20 for a 100y all out (just ONE at that pace, tho), so there must be some benefit from just pure volume (like position)... Buy "Swim Workouts for triathletes" by Gale Berhardt. 2nd edition It's part of the workout in a binder series. Simple and efficient. She explains how to measure your Threshold pace and it gives paces based on it. There is a plan for Sprint, OLY/HIM and IM There is an advanced and normal level. This! I got the one for swimmers, triathletes and coaches. The workouts in those are awesome. |
| 2014-05-23 2:17 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Danno77 Every second will count for this race... ...So, knowing that, any different suggestions for swim training? Practice your flip turns. |
| 2014-05-23 2:19 PM in reply to: TankBoy |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by Danno77 Every second will count for this race... ...So, knowing that, any different suggestions for swim training? Practice your flip turns.
HAHAHAH!!! /Thread |
| 2014-05-23 2:35 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by Danno77 Every second will count for this race... ...So, knowing that, any different suggestions for swim training? Practice your flip turns.
HAHAHAH!!! /Thread Nuh uh! You can't flip turn in open water! And round and round we go! |
| 2014-05-23 2:37 PM in reply to: msteiner |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by msteiner Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by Danno77 Every second will count for this race... ...So, knowing that, any different suggestions for swim training? Practice your flip turns.
HAHAHAH!!! /Thread Nuh uh! You can't flip turn in open water! And round and round we go! [/QUO Dude!! It's a pool swim......try to keep up, huh? |
| 2014-05-23 2:41 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by msteiner Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by Danno77 Every second will count for this race... ...So, knowing that, any different suggestions for swim training? Practice your flip turns.
HAHAHAH!!! /Thread Nuh uh! You can't flip turn in open water! And round and round we go! Dude!! It's a pool swim......try to keep up, huh? True story. One of the pool swims I did this year explicitly banned flip turns. HA! WHERE'S YOUR SKILL NOW SWIMMERS?!! |
| 2014-05-23 2:43 PM in reply to: msteiner |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Originally posted by msteiner Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by msteiner Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by Danno77 Every second will count for this race... ...So, knowing that, any different suggestions for swim training? Practice your flip turns.
HAHAHAH!!! /Thread Nuh uh! You can't flip turn in open water! And round and round we go! Dude!! It's a pool swim......try to keep up, huh? True story. One of the pool swims I did this year explicitly banned flip turns. HA! WHERE'S YOUR SKILL NOW SWIMMERS?!!
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| 2014-05-23 2:45 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Regular 1161 Hamilton, IL | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? Just got back from the YMCA and I have to tell you, I have no idea how y'alls do a flip turn. This danged wetsuit makes it nearly impossible. |
| 2014-05-23 2:46 PM in reply to: Danno77 |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? why are you swimming in the pool with your wetsuit? |
| 2014-05-23 2:50 PM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Why do you (or don't you) do flip turns? |
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| For those who don't do flip turns Pages: 1 2 3 | ||
| Anyone doing/done the Santa Rosa Island Tri or Destin Crab Trap Tri |
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