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2014-09-12 8:22 AM |
13 | Subject: IMs not Selling Out? So I am currently planning to go volunteer at IMTN because I was worried about it selling out for 2015 (based on the registration disaster last year). But Wisconsin, Lousiville, and others are still open and I'm thinking that maybe hanging around until Monday is not going to be necessary any more. I'm still going to volunteer (if nothing else, to scope out the scene and help out), but not having to take vacation on Monday after the race would be helpful. Any thoughts? |
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2014-09-12 8:31 AM in reply to: stephkh |
Extreme Veteran 406 | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? I'm thinking about Louisville as well and noticed Wisconsin was still open. Curious.... |
2014-09-12 8:35 AM in reply to: stephkh |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? It's always a risk to leave but clearly this year IMs aren't selling out as fast as they have in the past. Only LP sold out quickly. I'd go home if I was okay with doing another race if I couldn't get in or were willing to cough up extra for community slot. If those two options were not acceptable I'd stay and register. |
2014-09-12 8:37 AM in reply to: KathyG |
13 | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? I originally had my heart set on Chattanooga, but with the date change in Louisville, it's much (MUCH) more appealing now... |
2014-09-12 8:41 AM in reply to: stephkh |
35 | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by stephkh I originally had my heart set on Chattanooga, but with the date change in Louisville, it's much (MUCH) more appealing now... I think this has to do with it. There are a lot more options fairly close together. So people who might go to Wisconsin now have Louisville or Chattanooga fairly close next year. So there's no super rush to sign up so you can do a late season IM because now you have multiple options vs only a couple. |
2014-09-12 8:57 AM in reply to: stephkh |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by stephkh So I am currently planning to go volunteer at IMTN because I was worried about it selling out for 2015 (based on the registration disaster last year). But Wisconsin, Lousiville, and others are still open and I'm thinking that maybe hanging around until Monday is not going to be necessary any more. I'm still going to volunteer (if nothing else, to scope out the scene and help out), but not having to take vacation on Monday after the race would be helpful. Any thoughts? We have reached the point of saturation, and probably the continual price increases have slowed down registration. What surprises me is even with IMLP being the most expensive probably since you are required to basically stay for the entire week it sells out. Back in 2010 we had about 10 NA IM's in total and only 4 outside of Kona from August-Novemeber. Now we have have 4 just in the month of September alone (IMWI, IMMD, IMLT, IMCHATT). IMWI is a usually day of sell out and its still open, its been a few days but the high demand isn't there. I suspect Florida and Arizona will sell out immediately, but now the consumer finally has the advantage. You now have choices, don't have to sign up 365 in advance and prices will probably stop increasing. If you can't do Chattanooga you could also do Louisville or Maryland, again many options near the area. 2010 (10) IMSTG IMCDA IMLP IMLOU IMCA (Penticton) IMWI KONA IMFL IMAZ IMCOZ 2015 (16) IMTX IMCDA IMLP IMCA (Whistler) IM Boulder IMMT IM Muskoka IMWI IMMD IMLT IMCHATT Kona IM Los Cabos IMFL IMAZ IMOCZ |
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2014-09-12 9:35 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
39 | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Is there a way to find out how many open spots remain for IM Louisville 2015? Specifically, how long to make up my mind if I want to sign up before it sells out. Trying to coordinate this race with a relative and it could take a month before I am ready to sign up. I just don't want to miss the boat. |
2014-09-12 10:09 AM in reply to: stephkh |
Member 1293 Pearland,Tx | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? I thought IMMd will sell out fast since the course is flat and weather is nice its still open . I am registered for IMTX i doubt it will close sooner than last year. |
2014-09-12 11:09 AM in reply to: strykergt |
Chicago, IL | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? If i recall correctly, it took 9 days for Wisconsin to sell out last year. IMAZ and IMFL both sold out in <3 minutes, assuming there were any spots available for online registration at all. I think the date move will help IMLOU sell out much faster. |
2014-09-12 11:24 AM in reply to: Brit Abroad |
Veteran 820 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? So now instead of IM's selling out 365 days prior to the race and them selling out 335-360 days prior it is considered saturation? Most my non-IM races I don't sign up until a week out and sometimes the day of the race. |
2014-09-12 11:35 AM in reply to: strykergt |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by strykergt I thought IMMd will sell out fast since the course is flat and weather is nice its still open . I am registered for IMTX i doubt it will close sooner than last year. with 75 Kona slots now I suspect it will go faster |
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2014-09-12 12:48 PM in reply to: 0 |
New user 106 | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? I have been going back and forth if I should sign up for IM WI. It is the closest to me but still have not decided if I am ready to commit to that distance. Looking at the results I am disappointed in the number of DNS. For a race that sells out so fast to have that many DNS is sad for all the people who want to race it but can't because of it being sold out. 500 people out of 2800 either DNS or DNF. Any reason for a ton of DNS and is this usual for IM races? Edited by trying2swim 2014-09-12 12:53 PM |
2014-09-12 1:46 PM in reply to: trying2swim |
Elite 3140 | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? My two cents....though I do not think we have reached saturation with the addition of other races and the movement in the calendar people do not need to sign up as quickly...Yes IMLP sold out fast but still a lot slower than prior years. If I remember correctly it was open til wed or thursday.
Also do not discount CHALLENGE AC. Though some minor issues that as per RD's are going to be resolved it got overall great reviews and it is in the north east region also. And with last weeks merger/aquisition they will be a player for awhile and would not be surprised if additional 140.6 races are coming soon from them. |
2014-09-12 2:06 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by bcagle25 Originally posted by strykergt I thought IMMd will sell out fast since the course is flat and weather is nice its still open . I am registered for IMTX i doubt it will close sooner than last year. with 75 Kona slots now I suspect it will go faster Maybe very slightly faster...Kona spots only apply to about 7% of the people that register. They could up the Kona spots to 100 and I don't think it would make that much of a difference in registration. For 250ish people it would...but the other 2750 people are still going to decide the same way they always decide. |
2014-09-12 2:18 PM in reply to: trying2swim |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by trying2swim I have been going back and forth if I should sign up for IM WI. It is the closest to me but still have not decided if I am ready to commit to that distance. Looking at the results I am disappointed in the number of DNS. For a race that sells out so fast to have that many DNS is sad for all the people who want to race it but can't because of it being sold out. 500 people out of 2800 either DNS or DNF. Any reason for a ton of DNS and is this usual for IM races? 15% DNS rate is typical. |
2014-09-12 2:25 PM in reply to: GMAN 19030 |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by GMAN 19030 Originally posted by trying2swim I have been going back and forth if I should sign up for IM WI. It is the closest to me but still have not decided if I am ready to commit to that distance. Looking at the results I am disappointed in the number of DNS. For a race that sells out so fast to have that many DNS is sad for all the people who want to race it but can't because of it being sold out. 500 people out of 2800 either DNS or DNF. Any reason for a ton of DNS and is this usual for IM races? 15% DNS rate is typical. Except Chattanooga, apparently everyone is breaking their collarbones 3 weeks from the race. Add in the shortened race time, 116 mile bike ride, I am curious to see what % that signed up finish that race, especially that it seems to be full of first-timers and/or bucket-listers. |
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2014-09-12 2:27 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by Jason N Originally posted by bcagle25 Originally posted by strykergt I thought IMMd will sell out fast since the course is flat and weather is nice its still open . I am registered for IMTX i doubt it will close sooner than last year. with 75 Kona slots now I suspect it will go faster Maybe very slightly faster...Kona spots only apply to about 7% of the people that register. They could up the Kona spots to 100 and I don't think it would make that much of a difference in registration. For 250ish people it would...but the other 2750 people are still going to decide the same way they always decide. Yes and no. Kona slots don't in actuality affect that many people, but far more think they have a chance going in when they really don't. But being so early in the season and in Houston, that basically cuts out all cold climate athletes. |
2014-09-12 2:29 PM in reply to: FELTGood |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by FELTGood My two cents....though I do not think we have reached saturation with the addition of other races and the movement in the calendar people do not need to sign up as quickly...Yes IMLP sold out fast but still a lot slower than prior years. If I remember correctly it was open til wed or thursday.
Also do not discount CHALLENGE AC. Though some minor issues that as per RD's are going to be resolved it got overall great reviews and it is in the north east region also. And with last weeks merger/aquisition they will be a player for awhile and would not be surprised if additional 140.6 races are coming soon from them. Nah, I think Challenge/Rev 3 should just focus on short-course markets. That is where WTC has dropped the ball and they could really capitalize. They might pump out a few more IM's but they need higher registration numbers for it to be sustainable long-term. Even with the slow registration of WTC races now, its simple because there are more racks to fill, not as much of a loss of interest. I still think WTC has a firm grip on the full distance races and will for quite some time. |
2014-09-12 3:02 PM in reply to: 0 |
Elite 3140 | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by bcagle25 Originally posted by FELTGood Nah, I think Challenge/Rev 3 should just focus on short-course markets. That is where WTC has dropped the ball and they could really capitalize. They might pump out a few more IM's but they need higher registration numbers for it to be sustainable long-term. Even with the slow registration of WTC races now, its simple because there are more racks to fill, not as much of a loss of interest. I still think WTC has a firm grip on the full distance races and will for quite some time. My two cents....though I do not think we have reached saturation with the addition of other races and the movement in the calendar people do not need to sign up as quickly...Yes IMLP sold out fast but still a lot slower than prior years. If I remember correctly it was open til wed or thursday.
Also do not discount CHALLENGE AC. Though some minor issues that as per RD's are going to be resolved it got overall great reviews and it is in the north east region also. And with last weeks merger/aquisition they will be a player for awhile and would not be surprised if additional 140.6 races are coming soon from them.
IM/WTC is not going anywhere especially in the US since they have had 35 + years of unimpeded marketing that has enamored everyone but with Challenge having 11 IM races Worldwide and growing (3 currently in NA) and they seem to be paying there pros across the board and not just the top better than IM they are going to continue to grow and have more interest as time goes on. Challenge will put a dent into the market share. Not saying Challenge will be the leader in 140.6, but they are a proven European and Asian brand and just recently making in roads with the US market.
Personally when people get their IM/WTC experience under their belt they are going to be open to trying the CHallenge brand Edited by FELTGood 2014-09-12 3:05 PM |
2014-09-12 4:00 PM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by FELTGood My two cents....though I do not think we have reached saturation with the addition of other races and the movement in the calendar people do not need to sign up as quickly...Yes IMLP sold out fast but still a lot slower than prior years. If I remember correctly it was open til wed or thursday.
Also do not discount CHALLENGE AC. Though some minor issues that as per RD's are going to be resolved it got overall great reviews and it is in the north east region also. And with last weeks merger/aquisition they will be a player for awhile and would not be surprised if additional 140.6 races are coming soon from them. I'll gladly discount Challenge AC until proven otherwise. There were what... 500 people that did the full? Doesn't 1/3 of the population of the US live within a couple hours drive from there and they pulled 500. Word of mouth after the race was mixed at best. Not sure where you got great reviews from. Super tough swim and an uncontrolled run course will not have people clamoring to do the race. My guess is #'s actually go down next year. Challenge should stick to halfs and olys in North America. They have no chance against WTC at the 140.6 distance. They don't have much of a chance at the 70.3 distance either but people are more apt to do a non-WTC HIM than a non-WTC IM. They're a good alternative at 70.3, they're not even in the discussion from a 140.6 standpoint. #'s for Penticton and AC are a joke. Challenge can and should compete with WTC in Europe and Asia for the 140.6 market. The Ironman brand isn't as synonymous with triathlon in those places as it is in North America. Edited by GMAN 19030 2014-09-12 4:02 PM |
2014-09-12 4:20 PM in reply to: 0 |
Member 1293 Pearland,Tx | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? I knw its too early to tell if this races will sell out, excpt for IMLT the registration numers are low rumors are there may not be IMLT 140.6 next year. i am wondering since WTC s $220+M in debt are they compelled to expand just thinking Edited by strykergt 2014-09-12 4:22 PM |
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2014-09-12 5:56 PM in reply to: FELTGood |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by FELTGood Originally posted by bcagle25 Originally posted by FELTGood Nah, I think Challenge/Rev 3 should just focus on short-course markets. That is where WTC has dropped the ball and they could really capitalize. They might pump out a few more IM's but they need higher registration numbers for it to be sustainable long-term. Even with the slow registration of WTC races now, its simple because there are more racks to fill, not as much of a loss of interest. I still think WTC has a firm grip on the full distance races and will for quite some time. My two cents....though I do not think we have reached saturation with the addition of other races and the movement in the calendar people do not need to sign up as quickly...Yes IMLP sold out fast but still a lot slower than prior years. If I remember correctly it was open til wed or thursday.
Also do not discount CHALLENGE AC. Though some minor issues that as per RD's are going to be resolved it got overall great reviews and it is in the north east region also. And with last weeks merger/aquisition they will be a player for awhile and would not be surprised if additional 140.6 races are coming soon from them.
IM/WTC is not going anywhere especially in the US since they have had 35 + years of unimpeded marketing that has enamored everyone but with Challenge having 11 IM races Worldwide and growing (3 currently in NA) and they seem to be paying there pros across the board and not just the top better than IM they are going to continue to grow and have more interest as time goes on. Challenge will put a dent into the market share. Not saying Challenge will be the leader in 140.6, but they are a proven European and Asian brand and just recently making in roads with the US market.
Personally when people get their IM/WTC experience under their belt they are going to be open to trying the CHallenge brand They couldn't even pay all the pros since so few joined. I think there money maker is in the olympic/70.3 distance. |
2014-09-13 1:22 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
471 | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? The bucket list folk are moving onto other sports. |
2014-09-13 1:17 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Royal(PITA) 14270 West Chester, Ohio | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? Originally posted by bcagle25 Originally posted by FELTGood Nah, I think Challenge/Rev 3 should just focus on short-course markets. That is where WTC has dropped the ball and they could really capitalize. They might pump out a few more IM's but they need higher registration numbers for it to be sustainable long-term. Even with the slow registration of WTC races now, its simple because there are more racks to fill, not as much of a loss of interest. I still think WTC has a firm grip on the full distance races and will for quite some time. My two cents....though I do not think we have reached saturation with the addition of other races and the movement in the calendar people do not need to sign up as quickly...Yes IMLP sold out fast but still a lot slower than prior years. If I remember correctly it was open til wed or thursday.
Also do not discount CHALLENGE AC. Though some minor issues that as per RD's are going to be resolved it got overall great reviews and it is in the north east region also. And with last weeks merger/aquisition they will be a player for awhile and would not be surprised if additional 140.6 races are coming soon from them. As a primarily sprint/ olympic distance participant I would love more quality races of those distances. The local tri scene is managed by two companies in my area. One has ultra boring courses that I am tired of cause I have raced them a good bit and the other has a race director that is not worth two cents. I dislike her as a person and her courses even more. (with the exception of one race that I love the course of but refuse to do because it's her race) |
2014-09-13 2:04 PM in reply to: #5049359 |
Elite 3140 | Subject: RE: IMs not Selling Out? There were about 700 at challenge....geez it was only the first race in the US and it was not announced till September when many were committed to other races....look at other challenge races around the world. They are here to stay and To compete...and no I do not work for them I was there and can vouch for the race and it had some rough edges that they are working on but for a first year it was great. |
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