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2006-08-28 11:44 AM |
Veteran 281 | Subject: metronome + running is there a conversion chart anywhere that will tell you have fast you will be traviling if you use a metronome for training? Like how fast you can do a 1 mile run if you are traveling 180 BPM etc... |
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2006-08-28 12:22 PM in reply to: #524270 |
Veteran 281 | Subject: RE: metronome + running Never mind I found this for walking, running and cycling. looks to be very useful. link to follow. WALKING PACE CHART RUNNING PACE CHART (RECREATIONAL TO ATHLETE) CYCLING PACE CHART |
2006-08-28 12:56 PM in reply to: #524270 |
Extreme Veteran 400 Colorado | Subject: RE: metronome + running I'm not sure how reliable that running one is... I know I run a cadence of about 180 and I *don't* run a 7min mile... not even in my dreams. Depends on the length of the steps you... I obviously take little ones. FWIW |
2006-08-28 1:03 PM in reply to: #524270 |
Veteran 281 | Subject: RE: metronome + running Good point. I guess the best way to figure it out is to run it out. |
2006-08-28 1:14 PM in reply to: #524270 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: metronome + running At a 180bpm pace, you can be running 5m/m pace or a 15m/m pace. In fact, some running experts (i.e., Mike Ricci) recommend you maintain that 180bpm at all times. The missing variable is stride length. |
2006-08-28 1:29 PM in reply to: #524270 |
Veteran 281 | Subject: RE: metronome + running Is there more info to be had on this someplace? I am very interested in trying this type of running. |
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2006-08-28 3:13 PM in reply to: #524270 |
Member 21 , Tokyo | Subject: RE: metronome + running Here's my quick hack at an answer: Get a pedometer and find out how many steps you take in a mile. Probably want to try this several times to get an average. Decide on a target time (in minutes) for your mile. Take your step count and divide it by your target time to get your cadence (steps per minute) T = time for 1 mile in minutes T min * 1 mile = T min Flip that upside down and you get C steps I don't do very much math at work anymore so please feel free to point out any obvious errors in my formula. I used to have a watch with a metronome and loved it. It annoyed the crap out of my running partners so they weren't too upset when I lost it. Perhaps it wasn't actually "lost". I just saw The Bear's post and need to clarify that formula. The step count used above is total steps counting both feet. Chi Running uses how many times one foot strikes the ground and will be half of the number I used above. My formula uses the number you will see on your pedometer. Alex Edited by aokirk 2006-08-28 3:29 PM |
2006-08-28 3:24 PM in reply to: #524443 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: metronome + running Itrithere4iam - 2006-08-28 1:29 PM Is there more info to be had on this someplace? I am very interested in trying this type of running. Mike Ricci mentioned in a recent post that he was finishing an article, should be ready in a couple weeks. Here's one by the Chi running people that is already out there: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=741 |
2006-08-28 3:28 PM in reply to: #524270 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: metronome + running Go with bear's advice. Cadence should be relatively constant (at about 90 or 180 strikes per minute--depending on if you are counting one foot or two). It's your stride length that should change your pace. Set your metronome to 90bpm and get your left or right foot to strike on the beat. Do this no matter what pace you are running and your running efficiency should improve. |
2006-08-28 4:07 PM in reply to: #524270 |
8763 Boulder, Colorado | Subject: RE: metronome + running Itrithere4iam - 2006-08-28 9:44 AM is there a conversion chart anywhere that will tell you have fast you will be traviling if you use a metronome for training? Like how fast you can do a 1 mile run if you are traveling 180 BPM etc... Great advice as usual from Bear and Johnny Kay - and I would add going to the track or a course that is flat and measured out and running at different cadences and different HRs just to see what works for you. Right now I am attempting to get my comfortable cadence up to 95 steps per minute (that's 95 left foot strikes or 190 total steps per minute). I have been stuck at 88 for a few years, but I am tying HR into the cadence and seeing where that is getting me. In only a few short weeks, I am seeing some good changes - however, I have been running a while and used to run close to 95 cadence, but once you keep at it, you'll improve - and like everything else, your mileage may vary. Some examples of varying cadence w HR: |
2006-08-28 4:30 PM in reply to: #524270 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: metronome + running mikericci - 2006-08-28 4:07 PM Excellent posts. To add to Mike comment I think the last part of his post refers more to proper running form/technique. Any time I am out there doing ANY run whether it is an easy/recovery run (low Z1 7:30-7:45 pace) to a LT run (Z4 5:15-5:30 pace) I always focus on cadence (for me it is around 90-92 steps each leg per min) and proper form: upper body relax, the rhythm comes from the arms and NOT from the legs, leg push off, foot strike, etc. I don’t use a metronome either but what I do is count the step of one leg for 20 seconds and shoot for 30-31 steps. That should put me at 90-93 steps each per min or 180-186 for both. Another thing I think of when I am running is to feel how efficient I am running. IOW I *attempt* to move as comfortable and fast as possible (within the pace for the specific session) without breaking my form by over striding or breaking my cadence. The way I monitor this is by checking my HR, PE, pace and how it “feels”. By working on this aspects of my run, EVERY running session and adding running drills at least once a week, I believe I’ve become a better runner without pounding my legs with lots and lots of miles on the road.
Itrithere4iam - 2006-08-28 9:44 AM is there a conversion chart anywhere that will tell you have fast you will be traviling if you use a metronome for training? Like how fast you can do a 1 mile run if you are traveling 180 BPM etc... Run 2x400 again this time running with a little higher setting than Zone 2+ - and see if that is comfortable or if it's too fast. Somewhere in there, you will find your longer distance cadence and your race pace cadence. And you will find that you can run faster at the same cadence once you start focusing NOT on stride LENGTH, but on PUSH OFF of the back leg. That is the key, not the stride length. Have at that and let me know your results.
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2006-08-28 4:33 PM in reply to: #524752 |
Extreme Veteran 392 Northern California | Subject: RE: metronome + running mikericci - 2006-08-28 2:07 PM And you will find that you can run faster at the same cadence once you start focusing NOT on stride LENGTH, but on PUSH OFF of the back leg. That is the key, not the stride length. Have at that and let me know your results. MIke, Can you define this a litte bit for me? By "push off of the back leg" do you mean when the foot leaves the ground? Brad |
2006-08-28 4:48 PM in reply to: #524796 |
8763 Boulder, Colorado | Subject: RE: metronome + running bshehan - 2006-08-28 2:33 PM mikericci - 2006-08-28 2:07 PM And you will find that you can run faster at the same cadence once you start focusing NOT on stride LENGTH, but on PUSH OFF of the back leg. That is the key, not the stride length. Have at that and let me know your results. MIke, Can you define this a litte bit for me? By "push off of the back leg" do you mean when the foot leaves the ground? Brad I am not sure I can explain it any better but I'll try: Does that help at all? |
2006-08-28 5:03 PM in reply to: #524270 |
Extreme Veteran 392 Northern California | Subject: RE: metronome + running That helps, sure. Thanks. |