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2016-02-29 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Reince Priebus might not be sleeping too well lately.

I can't quite figure Priebus out.  The "establishment" is doing everything they can to keep Trump out, but he seems to kind of sit in the middle of it all and not take sides.  I guess that's probably what he should be doing, but who knows.

I'm not too sure anybody is very worried about Hillary.  With Bernie there was/is an energized base out there, so no matter what he's hocking it doesn't matter if he gets enough energy behind him.  Hillary has the auto votes from the demographics that support her based on her gender, but there's not even much energy from them.  
Trump almost knocked her out too early when he attacked Bill on his past and her supporting him.  If you recall that's when her death slide in the polls started.  Trump backed way off to let her get some traction again to knock Bernie out.  She will be crushed in the year of anti-establishment.
Bernie would fare far better than her in this climate.  I even agree with him on a lot of things, believe it or not.  lol

I know you like to think Hillary will be crushed, but would love to see some facts, data or analysis rather than just gut feel or anecdotal evidence to back that up - if you got any....

you mean like the professionals have had about Trump over the last few months? Lol

Quote or links please to these "professionals".

 

i could be mistaken, but wasn't it you who informed me about this thing,,,,, I believe you called it Google?

I tried the Google before ever posting and couldn't find much, and what I did find seemed was weak, slanted, or from a not-very-credible source in my opinion. I was hoping that someone who posted that "professionals" had reported showing how Trump will beat Hillary might shed (actual) light. Or maybe I was mistaken on what you really meant when you wrote "you mean like the professionals have had about Trump over the last few months? Lol"?

Yes you were.

I guess I should have been more clear as to how I was attempting to make my point. You were asking for data and/or something one could provide as evidence from someone with credibility to show that the D could defeat the C in a national election. I was attempting to enlighten you that most of those in that business when it comes to prognosticating the Donald, could't find sand or rocks laying down in the middle of Mojave Desert. 

 



2016-03-02 6:38 AM
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Poor Bernie.  The Bern is fading.

Personally I don't think it will happen, but I've seen speculation that he may run third party.  Do you guys think there's any chance?

2016-03-02 7:05 AM
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actually, he was only expected to win 2 states.  He won 4 and was narrowly edged out in massachusets.  The democratic primary allocates delegates based on popular vote, so he isn't really as far behind as you would think.  He does need to steal a few states soon to have any chance, but he is far from out of it.

2016-03-02 7:48 AM
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Poor Bernie.  The Bern is fading.

Personally I don't think it will happen, but I've seen speculation that he may run third party.  Do you guys think there's any chance?




No chance, IMO, that he will go 3rd Party. He knows there is too much at stake to steal from Hillary in the general.
2016-03-02 8:04 AM
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Poor Bernie.  The Bern is fading.

Personally I don't think it will happen, but I've seen speculation that he may run third party.  Do you guys think there's any chance?

No chance, IMO, that he will go 3rd Party. He knows there is too much at stake to steal from Hillary in the general.

 

I think you are right about that, he's to loyal to the DNC. 

I do believe he has some anti establishment support that will find it's way to Trump In the general. 

2016-03-02 9:33 AM
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Poor Bernie.  The Bern is fading.

Personally I don't think it will happen, but I've seen speculation that he may run third party.  Do you guys think there's any chance?

No chance, IMO, that he will go 3rd Party. He knows there is too much at stake to steal from Hillary in the general.

 

I think you are right about that, he's to loyal to the DNC. 

I do believe he has some anti establishment support that will find it's way to Trump In the general. 

bahahaha, what???  loyal to the DNC????  he always ran as an independent, and they are doing their darndest to prevent him from being a candidate.  he wont run 3rd party because he knows it would lead to a GOP win and has zero chance of getting him the presidency.



2016-03-09 8:36 AM
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Bernie wins another one in michigan

2016-03-09 8:55 AM
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Bernie wins another one in michigan

He apparently didn't get the memo that he's supposed to bow down and let Hillary get her nomination.

I've got a decent amount of facebook friends across the full political spectrum and I don't think i've yet to see anyone post anything positive about Hillary.  However, my feed is filled with pro Bernie stuff.  I even had a bunch of friends that wen to the caucus last week for him to give him the Nebraska win.

It seems strange, because Bernie has all the buzz and excitement, but Hillary still keeps plugging away wins.  Perhaps she's such a known quantity that people don't have to get excited because they already know who she is and what she stands for.

2016-03-09 8:56 AM
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Bernie wins another one in michigan

He apparently didn't get the memo that he's supposed to bow down and let Hillary get her nomination.

I've got a decent amount of facebook friends across the full political spectrum and I don't think i've yet to see anyone post anything positive about Hillary.  However, my feed is filled with pro Bernie stuff.  I even had a bunch of friends that wen to the caucus last week for him to give him the Nebraska win.

It seems strange, because Bernie has all the buzz and excitement, but Hillary still keeps plugging away wins.  Perhaps she's such a known quantity that people don't have to get excited because they already know who she is and what she stands for.

its all about that money unfortunately

2016-03-23 8:48 AM
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why is no one talking about Bernie's 60 POINT VICTORIES in Idaho and Utah

2016-03-23 9:04 AM
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why is no one talking about Bernie's 60 POINT VICTORIES in Idaho and Utah

Are Idaho and Utah actually states?



2016-03-23 1:22 PM
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why is no one talking about Bernie's 60 POINT VICTORIES in Idaho and Utah

The D machine has already told the Super Delegates to give Hillary the nod and most people know this is just a show for the sheepel.

2016-03-23 1:24 PM
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why is no one talking about Bernie's 60 POINT VICTORIES in Idaho and Utah

Are Idaho and Utah actually states?




You just hurt my potatoes.....
2016-03-23 1:32 PM
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why is no one talking about Bernie's 60 POINT VICTORIES in Idaho and Utah

Are Idaho and Utah actually states?

You just hurt my potatoes.....

2016-03-23 3:36 PM
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Worse I was trying to find results in the news and I could not find it except for Hilary's big win.
2016-03-23 8:44 PM
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why is no one talking about Bernie's 60 POINT VICTORIES in Idaho and Utah

Are Idaho and Utah actually states?

I HEARD THAT!!

(Idaho is more like a state of mind....ohmmmmmmmm)



2016-03-27 7:36 PM
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big pickups by sanders with huge margins.  eat it hillary

2016-03-27 7:43 PM
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Love the Bern and that he has some mojo right now. However it comes out, he wins in my opinion.
2016-03-28 7:58 AM
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Agree. He's definitely changed the discussion for the better on the D side and has forced Hillary to come back to (or at least acknowledge) the progressive voices in the party more than she'd have done otherwise.

I do think it's interesting, though, how little Bernie has been able to resonate with minorities. Most of his big wins have been in states with overwhelmingly white populations. I'm not sure what that means, exactly, or what it says about his message.
2016-03-28 8:46 AM
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With Bernie picking up steam, I wonder how the 'super delegate' issue will sit with voters if he actually manages to go over the top on Hillary. There's a ton of attention on the GOPe right now and talk of a brokered convention and not too much much of a similar scenario playing out at DNC central. Seems the Dems might be faced with a big problem at their convention should Bernie manage to take the delegate lead among voters. Do the super delegates de-commit their support for Hillary or are they somewhat obligated to go with the candidate who holds the lead among the voting populace? We know Democrats aren't afraid to assemble and display their displeasure; with Bernie having the support of the younger voter who has more potential to get more boisterous. Shiite could get a bit hinky at the D convention.


For those in the know, do the super delegates hold fast to party commitments or will they honor the will of the people?
2016-03-28 9:24 AM
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I think historically they go with whomever the populace wants, they are there in case someone like trump shows up.  They could sway the vote enough to prevent him.



2016-03-28 9:38 AM
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I think historically they go with whomever the populace wants, they are there in case someone like trump shows up.  They could sway the vote enough to prevent him.




Come on dude. What does Trump have to do wit this?

I get why they are there. However, they are already committed to Hillary. Even in states she has lost to Bernie, she has won the delegate count or tied him. Does not sound to me like they are there to go with the populace. Of course, Bernie is technically an Independent isn't he? By that account, the super delegate system is functioning as advertised by backing Hillary. Just wondering how that will stand with the voters and does Bernie have the cojones to step off and run as an I in the general!
2016-03-28 10:10 AM
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YAnno, a total goat rope at both conventions would be the best case scenario for the American voter IMO. Let the GOPe dump Trump and let the DNC drop Bernie. It would be pretty cool to see the US step into the 21st century and have Cruz run as rep, Hillary as dem, Bernie as socialist and Trump as I or L. I think in the long run, it might eventually save the country from the destruction we're seeing from a 2 party system.
2016-03-28 10:25 AM
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Bernie supporters, help me out here.  While I am a conservative, I do glance occasionally at both Vox and ThinkProgress to see what the other side is saying.  Friday Vox posted this:

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016

The calculator gives a snapshot of how each of the major candidates affect people individually using data put in about their tax plans.

I've plugged in a few different numbers: 15k for minimum wage, 50k and married with 1 child for your middle class family, and 200k for your upper class.  All of these different scenarios  give roughly the same conclusion:

With Trump and Cruz you save a good bit, with Hillary you pay about the same as you do now, and with Bernie you pay a large amount (approx 10% more) than you do now.  A person making minimum wage pays almost $1,500 a year more in taxes.  

From what I've read on reddit posts about this, the response is "but where's the savings you get from Bernie's healthcare plan".  Isn't healthcare already free under Obamacare if you're making minimum wage?  If that's true, then you're paying more for Bernie's free health care as opposed to now.  

This is my number one concern with Bernie.  I think he's a good guy, but I haven't been convinced that there's a way that his policies add up.  That is a big part of Hillary's campaign against him.

So my question for Bernie supporters is "is this calculator wrong, and if so, how?".

 

2016-03-28 10:41 AM
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 Isn't healthcare already free under Obamacare if you're making minimum wage?  I


I am not too sure about that. My friend makes minimum wage now and he paying the fine because he can not afford health insurance.
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