Marathon under 6 hours discussion
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2016-02-17 9:11 AM |
1731 Denver, Colorado | Subject: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Hey folks, I was wondering what your thoughts are on the following article: (if you can't run marathon under 6 hours, don't run a marathon) https://www.runsteady.com/blogs/news/117953159-cant-run-a-marathon-u... |
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2016-02-17 9:24 AM in reply to: marysia83 |
1502 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Originally posted by marysia83 Hey folks, I was wondering what your thoughts are on the following article: (if you can't run marathon under 6 hours, don't run a marathon) https://www.runsteady.com/blogs/news/117953159-cant-run-a-marathon-u... The title suggests that the article is going to be about the definition of "running" a marathon, however when you read it, it's really about the economics and coordination of keeping the course open for the statistical trailing edge of the bell curve. As for that; it's up to the race director, if it really costs that much time, effort and money as to make it not make sense, then they can close the course, it's their call. I think the article was a bit click-bait based on the title. He doesn't offer any quantitative analysis showing the cost/minute of keeping a race course open vs the additional entrance fees of that last X%. Not a very well executed article. |
2016-02-17 9:34 AM in reply to: 3mar |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Agree, it's not really up to this random guy on the internet, it's up to each individual Race Director as to how long they keep the course open. If it's open for 7 or 8 hours to support those finishers, win-win for everyone all around. If the RD chooses to close it after X hours and that is clearly communicated, them's the brakes for runners not finishing before the cutoff. |
2016-02-17 10:43 AM in reply to: lisac957 |
701 | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Yep....totally up to the race. We have one coming up here.....a full and a half. With a whole weekend billed as "family fitness". The race knows how long they can keep the streets/support open. They're call. |
2016-02-17 10:56 AM in reply to: marysia83 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Originally posted by marysia83 Hey folks, I was wondering what your thoughts are on the following article: (if you can't run marathon under 6 hours, don't run a marathon) https://www.runsteady.com/blogs/news/117953159-cant-run-a-marathon-u... "The problem is society has said that "longer is better", and having that 26.2 decal on your car is a rite of passage. You can argue that all day long, it's not worth my time. What you can't argue with is that the phrase "Couch to Marathon" shouldn't exist without the basic stepping stones along the way that include a 5K, a 10K, and a half-marathon." I think his point would have been presented much better without that paragraph. Without that paragraph and changing nothing else you have a brief article that makes a solid point. I agree with 3mar that some data could be presented to further strengthen this point. What the quoted paragraph accomplishes is turning the discussion from strictly "you're wasting dollars that could go to the charity you're raising for" and diluting it with "and they shouldn't be out there anyway". That's a toxic attitude that is unnecessary. |
2016-02-17 11:56 AM in reply to: msteiner |
New user 1351 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Originally posted by msteiner Originally posted by marysia83 Hey folks, I was wondering what your thoughts are on the following article: (if you can't run marathon under 6 hours, don't run a marathon) https://www.runsteady.com/blogs/news/117953159-cant-run-a-marathon-u... "The problem is society has said that "longer is better", and having that 26.2 decal on your car is a rite of passage. You can argue that all day long, it's not worth my time. What you can't argue with is that the phrase "Couch to Marathon" shouldn't exist without the basic stepping stones along the way that include a 5K, a 10K, and a half-marathon." I think his point would have been presented much better without that paragraph. Without that paragraph and changing nothing else you have a brief article that makes a solid point. I agree with 3mar that some data could be presented to further strengthen this point. What the quoted paragraph accomplishes is turning the discussion from strictly "you're wasting dollars that could go to the charity you're raising for" and diluting it with "and they shouldn't be out there anyway". That's a toxic attitude that is unnecessary. I agree. It came off as elitist to me. |
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2016-02-17 5:37 PM in reply to: marysia83 |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion I wouldn't do it if I thought it would take that long... my 4.30 Ironman 26.2 was enough thanks... |
2016-02-17 9:10 PM in reply to: marysia83 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion If He can't make his point in the opening 20 sec of the video about why I should keep watching, i'm sure not wasting 10 minutes. There are plenty of cute kitten videos to watch instead. |
2016-02-18 7:48 AM in reply to: AdventureBear |
Veteran 869 Stevens Point, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Agreed, he came off elitist to me as well. Not only is a marathon a right of passage its a journey for many people for better health, bucket list goals, whatever. If a RD wants to keep the marathon for 7 hours or 8 hours so be it. If they coordinate the logistics of it, why does it matter? Now I have no problem if they have a marathon that has a cutoff of 6 hours, or 5 hours. As long as people are aware of this going in.
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2016-02-18 10:13 AM in reply to: 0 |
New user 1351 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Last year I watched an 80 year old man finish a marathon in 8+ hours. A bunch of people stuck around long enough to cheer him on, and it was one of the best finishes I've ever seen. To each RD his own, but I thought it was pretty cool that they waited long enough to let that guy accomplish his goal. Edited by trijamie 2016-02-18 10:14 AM |
2016-02-18 10:42 AM in reply to: trijamie |
Expert 2852 Pfafftown, NC | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion That's a great finisher story. Hey.....for giggles, someone should post up a question like.........."Have you really completed a marathon, if you walked and it took you 6 hours"? |
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2016-02-18 10:48 AM in reply to: nc452010 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion My Grandpa once did the Marine Corps Marathon in 6:12. We couldn't have been more proud of him. |
2016-02-18 12:16 PM in reply to: 3mar |
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2016-02-18 3:04 PM in reply to: marysia83 |
Master 2855 Kailua, Hawaii | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion elitist and snobby. I'd say anyone with the motivation to train and do a marathon distance should be accepted as a racer and a finisher, no matter what time it is. People aren't going to purposely run slow in a race, they will try their best. Just because it's not what faster runners can do doesn't mean they should be excluded. That being said, some marathons do have a cutoff time, but there are many that don't. http://www.50statesmarathonclub.com/friendly.html |
2016-02-18 3:46 PM in reply to: metafizx |
1502 Katy, Texas | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Originally posted by metafizx elitist and snobby. I'd say anyone with the motivation to train and do a marathon distance should be accepted as a racer and a finisher, no matter what time it is. People aren't going to purposely run slow in a race, they will try their best. Just because it's not what faster runners can do doesn't mean they should be excluded. That being said, some marathons do have a cutoff time, but there are many that don't. http://www.50statesmarathonclub.com/friendly.html Oh my god...would you want to be out there for 9 hours...negative 20??? (Capture.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Capture.JPG (29KB - 14 downloads) |
2016-02-18 4:12 PM in reply to: 3mar |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Originally posted by 3mar Are there hot pretzels at the aid stations?Originally posted by metafizx elitist and snobby. I'd say anyone with the motivation to train and do a marathon distance should be accepted as a racer and a finisher, no matter what time it is. People aren't going to purposely run slow in a race, they will try their best. Just because it's not what faster runners can do doesn't mean they should be excluded. That being said, some marathons do have a cutoff time, but there are many that don't. http://www.50statesmarathonclub.com/friendly.html Oh my god...would you want to be out there for 9 hours...negative 20??? |
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2016-02-18 6:20 PM in reply to: #5167586 |
Extreme Veteran 1648 | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Hot pretzels? What am I missing? I've never wanted to do a marathon, but I do really like hot pretzels. |
2016-02-18 7:09 PM in reply to: 3mar |
Master 2855 Kailua, Hawaii | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Originally posted by 3mar Originally posted by metafizx elitist and snobby. I'd say anyone with the motivation to train and do a marathon distance should be accepted as a racer and a finisher, no matter what time it is. People aren't going to purposely run slow in a race, they will try their best. Just because it's not what faster runners can do doesn't mean they should be excluded. That being said, some marathons do have a cutoff time, but there are many that don't. http://www.50statesmarathonclub.com/friendly.html Oh my god...would you want to be out there for 9 hours...negative 20??? some do apparently. There was a Japanese man that crawled for miles in pain to the finish at the Honolulu Marathon. Something like 11 hours ? |
2016-02-19 6:31 AM in reply to: metafizx |
New user 560 Key West | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Harriet Thompson, 91 years old at the time, set a world record for women over 90 with a 7:07 marathon at RnR San Diego which, by the way, is a hilly course. If the RD has shut down the course at 6 hours, the old record which was considerably slower, would have stood. The author is a bit of an elitist and ignores older age group and physically challenged runners. But, I agree, up to the RD. Many will find ways to accommodate those slower marathon finishers that partially opens the course while still providing them with an opportunity to finish. |
2016-02-19 3:10 PM in reply to: Moonrocket |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Originally posted by Moonrocket Hot pretzels? What am I missing? I've never wanted to do a marathon, but I do really like hot pretzels. One can hope ... |
2016-02-19 3:24 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Deep in the Heart of Texas | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Originally posted by Left Brain My Grandpa once did the Marine Corps Marathon in 6:12. We couldn't have been more proud of him. I once completed the MCM in about the same time - no one was proud of me. My wife was sure I'd be delivered to the finish line in an ambulance. |
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2016-02-19 5:02 PM in reply to: metafizx |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Originally posted by metafizx People aren't going to purposely run slow in a race, they will try their best. Just because it's not what faster runners can do doesn't mean they should be excluded. not completely true. I did a marathon with a 8 hour time limit and I did it in 7:45 on purpose. I might been able to do it in about 7:30 but I hoping to do another marathon in 1 month that had a 7 hour time limit so I needed a quick recovery. Also with only 5 weeks of training and nothing more than 8 miles before the race I knew I had to use the clock and I picked the race based on that time cut off time. |
2016-02-19 5:04 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion Originally posted by Hook'em Originally posted by Left Brain My Grandpa once did the Marine Corps Marathon in 6:12. We couldn't have been more proud of him. I once completed the MCM in about the same time - no one was proud of me. My wife was sure I'd be delivered to the finish line in an ambulance. I was about 2 hours under where he was.......but I don't remember the last 3 miles. Every time I saw an ambulance I was sure it was for me. I vaguely remember wanting to jump off the last bridge over the hwy. Edited by Left Brain 2016-02-19 5:07 PM |
2016-02-19 7:27 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Master 8247 Eugene, Oregon | Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion LOL Never done a six-hour marathon but have done an (almost) 6-hour HIM with a 2:13 run (30 minutes over my best split) while having dry heaves most of the way. With 1/4 mile to go at IM Vietnam 70.3 last year, I saw a man being loaded into an ambulance, and started crying. Still not sure if those were tears of joy because I was still vertical, or sadness because I couldn't stop and lie down like him, or sympathy, or what! |
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