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2016-02-17 9:11 AM

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Subject: Marathon under 6 hours discussion
Hey folks,
I was wondering what your thoughts are on the following article:
(if you can't run marathon under 6 hours, don't run a marathon)

https://www.runsteady.com/blogs/news/117953159-cant-run-a-marathon-u...


2016-02-17 9:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion
Originally posted by marysia83

Hey folks,
I was wondering what your thoughts are on the following article:
(if you can't run marathon under 6 hours, don't run a marathon)

https://www.runsteady.com/blogs/news/117953159-cant-run-a-marathon-u...


The title suggests that the article is going to be about the definition of "running" a marathon, however when you read it, it's really about the economics and coordination of keeping the course open for the statistical trailing edge of the bell curve.

As for that; it's up to the race director, if it really costs that much time, effort and money as to make it not make sense, then they can close the course, it's their call. I think the article was a bit click-bait based on the title. He doesn't offer any quantitative analysis showing the cost/minute of keeping a race course open vs the additional entrance fees of that last X%. Not a very well executed article.
2016-02-17 9:34 AM
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Agree, it's not really up to this random guy on the internet, it's up to each individual Race Director as to how long they keep the course open. If it's open for 7 or 8 hours to support those finishers, win-win for everyone all around. If the RD chooses to close it after X hours and that is clearly communicated, them's the brakes for runners not finishing before the cutoff. 

2016-02-17 10:43 AM
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Yep....totally up to the race.
We have one coming up here.....a full and a half.
With a whole weekend billed as "family fitness".

The race knows how long they can keep the streets/support open. They're call.
2016-02-17 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion

Originally posted by marysia83 Hey folks, I was wondering what your thoughts are on the following article: (if you can't run marathon under 6 hours, don't run a marathon) https://www.runsteady.com/blogs/news/117953159-cant-run-a-marathon-u...

"The problem is society has said that "longer is better", and having that 26.2 decal on your car is a rite of passage. You can argue that all day long, it's not worth my time. What you can't argue with is that the phrase "Couch to Marathon" shouldn't exist without the basic stepping stones along the way that include a 5K, a 10K, and a half-marathon."

I think his point would have been presented much better without that paragraph.  Without that paragraph and changing nothing else you have a brief article that makes a solid point.  I agree with 3mar that some data could be presented to further strengthen this point.  

What the quoted paragraph accomplishes is turning the discussion from strictly "you're wasting dollars that could go to the charity you're raising for" and diluting it with "and they shouldn't be out there anyway".  That's a toxic attitude that is unnecessary. 

2016-02-17 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by msteiner

Originally posted by marysia83 Hey folks, I was wondering what your thoughts are on the following article: (if you can't run marathon under 6 hours, don't run a marathon) https://www.runsteady.com/blogs/news/117953159-cant-run-a-marathon-u...

"The problem is society has said that "longer is better", and having that 26.2 decal on your car is a rite of passage. You can argue that all day long, it's not worth my time. What you can't argue with is that the phrase "Couch to Marathon" shouldn't exist without the basic stepping stones along the way that include a 5K, a 10K, and a half-marathon."

I think his point would have been presented much better without that paragraph.  Without that paragraph and changing nothing else you have a brief article that makes a solid point.  I agree with 3mar that some data could be presented to further strengthen this point.  

What the quoted paragraph accomplishes is turning the discussion from strictly "you're wasting dollars that could go to the charity you're raising for" and diluting it with "and they shouldn't be out there anyway".  That's a toxic attitude that is unnecessary. 

I agree. It came off as elitist to me.



2016-02-17 5:37 PM
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I wouldn't do it if I thought it would take that long... my 4.30 Ironman 26.2 was enough thanks...
2016-02-17 9:10 PM
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If He can't make his point in the opening 20 sec of the video about why I should keep watching, i'm sure not wasting 10 minutes. There are plenty of cute kitten videos to watch instead.
2016-02-18 7:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion

Agreed, he came off elitist to me as well. 

Not only is a marathon a right of passage its a journey for many people for better health, bucket list goals, whatever.  If a RD wants to keep the marathon for 7 hours or 8 hours so be it.  If they coordinate the logistics of it, why does it matter?

Now I have no problem if they have a marathon that has a cutoff of 6 hours, or 5 hours.  As long as people are aware of this going in. 

 

 

 

 

 

2016-02-18 10:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion

Last year I watched an 80 year old man finish a marathon in 8+ hours. A bunch of people stuck around long enough to cheer him on, and it was one of the best finishes I've ever seen.  To each RD his own, but I thought it was pretty cool that they waited long enough to let that guy accomplish his goal.



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2016-02-18 10:42 AM
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That's a great finisher story.

Hey.....for giggles, someone should post up a question like.........."Have you really completed a marathon, if you walked and it took you 6 hours"?



2016-02-18 10:48 AM
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My Grandpa once did the Marine Corps Marathon in 6:12.  We couldn't have been more proud of him.

2016-02-18 12:16 PM
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Snore.  Who cares what he thinks?

Seriously.  If it didn't work for RDs they wouldn't do it

2016-02-18 3:04 PM
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elitist and snobby.

I'd say anyone with the motivation to train and do a marathon distance should be accepted as a racer and a finisher, no matter what time it is.

People aren't going to purposely run slow in a race, they will try their best. Just because it's not what faster runners can do doesn't mean they should be excluded.

That being said, some marathons do have a cutoff time, but there are many that don't.

http://www.50statesmarathonclub.com/friendly.html
2016-02-18 3:46 PM
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Originally posted by metafizx

elitist and snobby.

I'd say anyone with the motivation to train and do a marathon distance should be accepted as a racer and a finisher, no matter what time it is.

People aren't going to purposely run slow in a race, they will try their best. Just because it's not what faster runners can do doesn't mean they should be excluded.

That being said, some marathons do have a cutoff time, but there are many that don't.

http://www.50statesmarathonclub.com/friendly.html


Oh my god...would you want to be out there for 9 hours...negative 20???



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2016-02-18 4:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion

Originally posted by 3mar
Originally posted by metafizx elitist and snobby. I'd say anyone with the motivation to train and do a marathon distance should be accepted as a racer and a finisher, no matter what time it is. People aren't going to purposely run slow in a race, they will try their best. Just because it's not what faster runners can do doesn't mean they should be excluded. That being said, some marathons do have a cutoff time, but there are many that don't. http://www.50statesmarathonclub.com/friendly.html
Oh my god...would you want to be out there for 9 hours...negative 20???
Are there hot pretzels at the aid stations?



2016-02-18 6:20 PM
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Hot pretzels? What am I missing? I've never wanted to do a marathon, but I do really like hot pretzels.
2016-02-18 7:09 PM
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Originally posted by 3mar

Originally posted by metafizx

elitist and snobby.

I'd say anyone with the motivation to train and do a marathon distance should be accepted as a racer and a finisher, no matter what time it is.

People aren't going to purposely run slow in a race, they will try their best. Just because it's not what faster runners can do doesn't mean they should be excluded.

That being said, some marathons do have a cutoff time, but there are many that don't.

http://www.50statesmarathonclub.com/friendly.html


Oh my god...would you want to be out there for 9 hours...negative 20???


some do apparently. There was a Japanese man that crawled for miles in pain to the finish at the Honolulu Marathon. Something like 11 hours ?
2016-02-19 6:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Marathon under 6 hours discussion
Harriet Thompson, 91 years old at the time, set a world record for women over 90 with a 7:07 marathon at RnR San Diego which, by the way, is a hilly course. If the RD has shut down the course at 6 hours, the old record which was considerably slower, would have stood. The author is a bit of an elitist and ignores older age group and physically challenged runners. But, I agree, up to the RD. Many will find ways to accommodate those slower marathon finishers that partially opens the course while still providing them with an opportunity to finish.
2016-02-19 3:10 PM
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Originally posted by Moonrocket Hot pretzels? What am I missing? I've never wanted to do a marathon, but I do really like hot pretzels.

One can hope ...

2016-02-19 3:24 PM
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Originally posted by Left Brain

My Grandpa once did the Marine Corps Marathon in 6:12.  We couldn't have been more proud of him.

I once completed the MCM in about the same time - no one was proud of me.  My wife was sure I'd be delivered to the finish line in an ambulance.



2016-02-19 5:02 PM
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Originally posted by metafizx

People aren't going to purposely run slow in a race, they will try their best. Just because it's not what faster runners can do doesn't mean they should be excluded.



not completely true. I did a marathon with a 8 hour time limit and I did it in 7:45 on purpose. I might been able to do it in about 7:30 but I hoping to do another marathon in 1 month that had a 7 hour time limit so I needed a quick recovery. Also with only 5 weeks of training and nothing more than 8 miles before the race I knew I had to use the clock and I picked the race based on that time cut off time.
2016-02-19 5:04 PM
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Originally posted by Hook'em

Originally posted by Left Brain

My Grandpa once did the Marine Corps Marathon in 6:12.  We couldn't have been more proud of him.

I once completed the MCM in about the same time - no one was proud of me.  My wife was sure I'd be delivered to the finish line in an ambulance.

I was about 2 hours under where he was.......but I don't remember the last 3 miles.    Every time I saw an ambulance I was sure it was for me.   I vaguely remember wanting to jump off the last bridge over the hwy. 



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2016-02-19 7:27 PM
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LOL Never done a six-hour marathon but have done an (almost) 6-hour HIM with a 2:13 run (30 minutes over my best split) while having dry heaves most of the way. With 1/4 mile to go at IM Vietnam 70.3 last year, I saw a man being loaded into an ambulance, and started crying. Still not sure if those were tears of joy because I was still vertical, or sadness because I couldn't stop and lie down like him, or sympathy, or what!
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