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2016-04-28 6:50 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
I meant that it the suit was in the bag for three hours (T1 until I got home and pulled it out).

Looking at the numbers again, I underestimated how long my gear waited for me.

I put the suit in the race-supplied bag after the swim then -- bike 3:11:52, T2 2:31, run 2:04:30. I ate a piece of pizza and drank a coke, loaded my gear in the car and drove fifteen minutes home.

So, that means more like six hours.

I still think think (and that the couple hundred racers there all did the same thing supports this) that this is reasonable treatment on a race day when the high was something like 72 degrees.



2016-04-28 7:23 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
I have mistreated all of my xterra suits- left in bags for hot car rides home, left in hot cars for a few days, etc. still don't buy what you did had anything to do with it Another reason to post on ST is to see if Emilio chimes in (he may not being a competitor) but if you phrase it "how did what I do cause this and what should I do in the future" instead of "xterra sucks" maybe you get a bite
2016-04-28 8:10 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
Originally posted by chrisbundrick

I think what you're seeing are artifacts from bad photogrpahy more than anything else. There was literally nothing in the bag but my flip flops, towel, goggles, and the suit. The patches on the left and right halves of the chest are where the neoprene melted together and then ripped apart when I pulled it out of the bag. There are similar but smaller patches all over the suit (from wherever the neoprene was touching, I think).

I talked to the rep at Xterra for a while yesterday and while she wasn't unsympathetic, the company is holding firm on this being my fault.

When I explained what I did on the day it melted and asked what I could have done differently the first answer I got was:

"The melting of your wetsuit is due to exposure to heat or direct sunlight.
The best option is to avoid damage like this by drying your suit in a cool place out of the sun and to never leave your wetsuit in the car longer than necessary."

I don't think I can get a new suit somewhere else for less than the $80 trade-in deal they're offering me on the Volt, but then if that Volt is just going to melt the first time I race in it, what sort of deal is that after all?


How hot was it?

A triathlon wetsuit shouldn't melt. Typically they are going to be dumped in transition for hours and should be designed for withstanding long periods of exposure to heat/sun. That is normal use. You should pursue this/ Jump on Slowtwitch and ensure "Xterra" is the in the thread title.
2016-04-28 8:13 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
Originally posted by chrisbundrick

I meant that it the suit was in the bag for three hours (T1 until I got home and pulled it out).

Looking at the numbers again, I underestimated how long my gear waited for me.

I put the suit in the race-supplied bag after the swim then -- bike 3:11:52, T2 2:31, run 2:04:30. I ate a piece of pizza and drank a coke, loaded my gear in the car and drove fifteen minutes home.

So, that means more like six hours.

I still think think (and that the couple hundred racers there all did the same thing supports this) that this is reasonable treatment on a race day when the high was something like 72 degrees.




Are you kidding me! 72 degrees, that's not even hot.
2016-04-28 8:45 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?

Originally posted by ChrisM
Originally posted by fortissimoAsk the question on their facebook page or twitter and see if you get a different response. Post the picture.
And what the heck, throw it out there on slowtwitch. Not like you haven't given them plenty of opportunity to make it right.

+1 to Slowtwitch. That's the place to get the right person't attention.

2016-04-28 8:58 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
Originally posted by Dominion

Originally posted by ChrisM
Originally posted by fortissimoAsk the question on their facebook page or twitter and see if you get a different response. Post the picture.
And what the heck, throw it out there on slowtwitch. Not like you haven't given them plenty of opportunity to make it right.

+1 to Slowtwitch. That's the place to get the right person't attention.




Worked for me!


2016-05-12 2:37 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
I have been lurking to see where this thread takes the original poster. I will not speak as to this particular wetsuit or the brand in general, but as an expert in wetsuits, I will say that it is not possible for the company to accurately draw the conclusion they reached simply by looking at the photo. Had it been one of my customers writing about a T1 Wetsuit, I would have asked to have it sent in to me, so that I can forensically determine the cause, and given that in 17 seasons of selling T1 Wetsuits, not a single customer has ever paid for a repair, we would have repaired it for free.
2016-05-12 4:07 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?

Originally posted by Emilio I have been lurking to see where this thread takes the original poster. I will not speak as to this particular wetsuit or the brand in general, but as an expert in wetsuits, I will say that it is not possible for the company to accurately draw the conclusion they reached simply by looking at the photo. Had it been one of my customers writing about a T1 Wetsuit, I would have asked to have it sent in to me, so that I can forensically determine the cause, and given that in 17 seasons of selling T1 Wetsuits, not a single customer has ever paid for a repair, we would have repaired it for free.

Although I have never owned a de soto wetsuit (just worked out that way, not an inclination one way or the other), but this is why basically all of my tri racing gear is de soto branded.

2016-05-12 9:54 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
Originally posted by DaveL

save the $80 and put it towards something else. If their wetsuits cant survive what you have described there is no point in getting another one.


This. You may not be able to get as good of a deal, but you might be able to find a closeout or sale on a wet suit that will be of better quality. FWIW, I just picked up a T1 espresso from De Soto for $75.00, a couple of weeks back so there are deals to be had if you keep an eye out.
2016-05-13 12:41 AM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
Originally posted by Emilio

I have been lurking to see where this thread takes the original poster. I will not speak as to this particular wetsuit or the brand in general, but as an expert in wetsuits, I will say that it is not possible for the company to accurately draw the conclusion they reached simply by looking at the photo. Had it been one of my customers writing about a T1 Wetsuit, I would have asked to have it sent in to me, so that I can forensically determine the cause, and given that in 17 seasons of selling T1 Wetsuits, not a single customer has ever paid for a repair, we would have repaired it for free.



Exactly. Why p*ss about over a $100 wetsuit when you're going to end up with negative publicity. As long as the customer isn't trying to scam you, then a company should do what they can to resolve the customers problem. Telling a customer with a new wetsuit too bad, so sad - just very narrow minded from a business perspective.
2016-05-15 8:01 AM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?

I would like to do some forensic testing on that rubber to make sure that never happens to any of our wetsuits.

 

I  will give you $100 for that wetsuit toward the purchase of a T1 Black Pearl Wetsuit and then give you an additional 30% off the price too.

 



2016-05-15 3:51 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
I would wonder if some of the yellow graphics didn't contribute to the 'sticking' .... It looks like it in the photo posted...

Either way, it looks like Emilio has made a generous offer, which will get you sorted rather well
2016-05-15 6:31 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?

You get what you pay for.......Xterra suits are cheap for a reason.  I think they suck.  I've been around hundreds of kids using a variety of wetsuits....without a doubt,  Xterra seems to be the most rip prone and the "softest" of any tri wetsuit on the market.

I know people who like them......not me.



Edited by Left Brain 2016-05-15 6:33 PM
2016-05-15 6:32 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?

Thanks for your very kind words.  I believe the yellowing of the white part of the graphics is the result of prolonged, excessive, or repetitive exposure to direct sunlight or some other form of ultraviolet light.  There are better inks that can be used to minimize this.

2016-05-16 8:20 AM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
Originally posted by Emilio

I would like to do some forensic testing on that rubber to make sure that never happens to any of our wetsuits.

 

I  will give you $100 for that wetsuit toward the purchase of a T1 Black Pearl Wetsuit and then give you an additional 30% off the price too.

 




Wow! Now that is what I call awesome customer service. I think I have only have some tri shorts and socks from desoto which I love both but customer service like this makes me want to buy more desoto stuff.
2016-05-16 8:34 AM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
Originally posted by Emilio

I would like to do some forensic testing on that rubber to make sure that never happens to any of our wetsuits.

 

I  will give you $100 for that wetsuit toward the purchase of a T1 Black Pearl Wetsuit and then give you an additional 30% off the price too.

 




I'd jump all over this. My T1 (I have the speed tube, vest and full-sleeved pullover) is outstanding. And, to prove his point...."I" put a little nick in my sleeved top....and Emilio offered to fix it.....for free.

Nothing but good things to say about the 2-piece design. It gives me several options.

Good luck.


2016-05-16 12:25 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?

Originally posted by TriTampa2
Originally posted by Emilio

I would like to do some forensic testing on that rubber to make sure that never happens to any of our wetsuits.

 

I  will give you $100 for that wetsuit toward the purchase of a T1 Black Pearl Wetsuit and then give you an additional 30% off the price too.

 

Wow! Now that is what I call awesome customer service. I think I have only have some tri shorts and socks from desoto which I love both but customer service like this makes me want to buy more desoto stuff.

 

Thanks for your very kind words.  I hope you will spread the word about our company.  Also if you want to buy more product, check out the offer shown in my signature.

2016-05-16 12:27 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?

Originally posted by nc452010
Originally posted by Emilio

I would like to do some forensic testing on that rubber to make sure that never happens to any of our wetsuits.

 

I  will give you $100 for that wetsuit toward the purchase of a T1 Black Pearl Wetsuit and then give you an additional 30% off the price too.

 

I'd jump all over this. My T1 (I have the speed tube, vest and full-sleeved pullover) is outstanding. And, to prove his point...."I" put a little nick in my sleeved top....and Emilio offered to fix it.....for free. Nothing but good things to say about the 2-piece design. It gives me several options. Good luck.

 

Thanks for your personal testiment to what has kept our small company alive for over 26 years.  The T1 Wetsuit modular system is not common amongst the masses, but smart people like you are reaping the advantage of that.

2016-05-16 1:28 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
I went through something similar with them. And instead of even listening to my whole story of what happened I received an email from Keith Simmons telling me it was my fault for leaving it out in the sun.

Well I didn't leave it out in the sun - and the other wetsuits with mine (some xterra and some not) did not stick together and tear by the arms like mine.

You get what you pay for - it's exactly that. And they are a lousy company making a cheap product.
2016-05-16 2:39 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?

I am sorry to read that about Xterra.  I always thought they were a great company and Keith Simmons seems like a really nice guy.

If there is any way I can assist you with any of our products, please let me know.  We make a really great wetsuit that is very unconventional, but the people who own it swear by it.  We have one model right now that is 30% off, and while it is pricier than Xterra, it comes with an unmatched warranty and customer service that does not disappoint.

 

Check it out here and just use the code in the description to get the 30% discount:

 

Black Pearl 30% off (use code T1BPBBPP)

 

 

2016-05-16 2:54 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
Originally posted by Emilio

I would like to do some forensic testing on that rubber to make sure that never happens to any of our wetsuits.

 

I  will give you $100 for that wetsuit toward the purchase of a T1 Black Pearl Wetsuit and then give you an additional 30% off the price too.

 




It's customer service like this that wins loyalty - great job Emilio!

I LOVE my De Soto Liftfoil!


2016-05-16 3:03 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?

Originally posted by RockTractor
Originally posted by Emilio

I would like to do some forensic testing on that rubber to make sure that never happens to any of our wetsuits.

 

I  will give you $100 for that wetsuit toward the purchase of a T1 Black Pearl Wetsuit and then give you an additional 30% off the price too.

 

It's customer service like this that wins loyalty - great job Emilio! I LOVE my De Soto Liftfoil!

 

I am humbled and thankful for your very kind words.  It looks like you sent a photo, but it is password protected.  If it is of you in your Liftfoil, please send it my way!

2016-05-16 3:28 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
Originally posted by Emilio
It looks like you sent a photo, but it is password protected.  If it is of you in your Liftfoil, please send it my way!




Fixed?
2016-05-16 5:18 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?

This is a great photo.  May we post it on our website?

2016-05-16 8:54 PM
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Subject: RE: What did I do wrong with my Xterra Vortex?
Originally posted by mtnbikerchk

I went through something similar with them. And instead of even listening to my whole story of what happened I received an email from Keith Simmons telling me it was my fault for leaving it out in the sun.



WTF?? What does he expect you to do with it in T1??
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