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 2016-07-12 11:09 AM |
 249  |  Subject: Specific breathing question-swimmingI use either bilateral breathing, or sometimes in OWS-2 in a row on one side, then 2 in row on other side with 2 strokes in between. My question/concern is this: all my breathing seems to be really shallow, quick breaths, or "top of the lungs". It definitely is not the deep breathing of cycling or running. Is this normal? It also seems magnified when wearing a wetsuit, perhaps because of the constriction? This probably sounds odd, but sometimes I cant tell if I am breathing too much, or not enough, or even hyperventilating a little due to the quick short breaths I take. I assume I involuntarily breath this way due to time. Meaning, getting it done before that arm recovers. Thoughts anyone? |
| 2016-07-12 11:53 AM in reply to: Burchib |
Extreme Veteran 717  Chicago, USA | Subject: RE: Specific breathing question-swimming Some good questions. But how do you breathe in a pool (so without a wetsuit) when training? And what swim distances are you swimming in training and in open water? Greg @ dsw |
| 2016-07-12 1:20 PM in reply to: DarkSpeedWorks |
| 249 | Subject: RE: Specific breathing question-swimming Most open water swims with wetsuit are 500-750 yards. Conversely, in the pool, I am not nearly as efficient (no wetsuit) so I do drills of 50-100 yards. I can swim with a PB if I want to in pool for 1000 yards (no flip turns) so I imagine I am catching up in breathing somewhat as I touch each end of pool. I'm still learning how to be horizontal and in good form with no wetsuit help. |
| 2016-07-12 1:28 PM in reply to: Burchib |
1300 | Subject: RE: Specific breathing question-swimming Part of your trouble could be due to wetsuit fit. My guess is it's more fitness related. What kind of times are you holding when you do sets of 50's and 100's in the pool vs effort when you OWS ? By times on 50's and 100's what are you coming in on and what's your rest? |
| 2016-07-12 3:02 PM in reply to: Burchib |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Specific breathing question-swimming Are you trying to get a full in and out while your head is turned? You should be exhaling under the water. |
| 2016-07-13 12:05 PM in reply to: Burchib |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Specific breathing question-swimming Originally posted by Burchib I use either bilateral breathing, or sometimes in OWS-2 in a row on one side, then 2 in row on other side with 2 strokes in between. My question/concern is this: all my breathing seems to be really shallow, quick breaths, or "top of the lungs". It definitely is not the deep breathing of cycling or running. Is this normal? It also seems magnified when wearing a wetsuit, perhaps because of the constriction? This probably sounds odd, but sometimes I cant tell if I am breathing too much, or not enough, or even hyperventilating a little due to the quick short breaths I take. I assume I involuntarily breath this way due to time. Meaning, getting it done before that arm recovers. Thoughts anyone?
Constriction is a normal problem with swimming. Having a the pressure of the water pushing on your body makes it harder to expand your lungs versus out of the water. Adding a wetsuit compounds the issue. It's a good idea to learn to be a gut breather and not a chest breather when you swim. That way the lungs expand down into the stomach rather than out as expanding the ribs/chest takes a lot more effort. |
| 2016-07-13 12:05 PM in reply to: 0 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Specific breathing question-swimming |
| 2016-07-14 9:38 AM in reply to: Burchib |
Extreme Veteran 717 Chicago, USA | Subject: RE: Specific breathing question-swimming No, I would say that your breathing issues do not sound normal. Sure, a snug wetsuit can make your breathing a bit more noticeable, but the difference should be barely felt when your breathing technique is good and when the wetsuit fits right. Try to get some coaching help with your breathing and your swim technique in general (even in a pool), the payoff for you will be huge and nearly all of it will directly carry over to your open water swimming. Also, be aware that the vast majority of faster swimmers and triathletes do not bilaterally breathe (i.e., one breath for every 3 pulls). Most breathe every 2 pulls, so they breathe always on the right, or they breathe always on the left, or (best) they breathe sometimes on the right and sometimes on the left. Greg @ dsw |
| 2016-07-14 11:35 AM in reply to: Goggles Pizzano |
| 249 | Subject: RE: Specific breathing question-swimming Originally posted by Goggles Pizzano Part of your trouble could be due to wetsuit fit. My guess is it's more fitness related. What kind of times are you holding when you do sets of 50's and 100's in the pool vs effort when you OWS ? By times on 50's and 100's what are you coming in on and what's your rest? My times are pretty much 2:00/100 on 20-30 sec rest between |
| 2016-07-14 12:50 PM in reply to: Burchib |
| 1300 | Subject: RE: Specific breathing question-swimming I think what's going on with you is a combination of what everyone mentioned above. I wouldn't completely eliminate the wetsuit but again my guess is that's not the issue. The only thing missing is what type of effort are you putting out in your open water swims. From what you have said I am guessing you may be swimming a little harder in OW vs pool long swims. The shallow breathing you mentioned is due to not exhaling fully before you go to take a breath. So you are still exhaling when your mouth comes out of the water and do not have enough time to get a full breath in. I would concentrate on breathing to one side for now and find what works for you, every stroke or every other stroke. Once you get that down start working more on bilateral if you want. |
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