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 2018-01-29 7:50 PM |
Champion  10154    Alabama |  Subject: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach.......is an idea that would destroy the democracy. Let the American people see the evidence! Both sides....after the info is vetted. My understanding is the FBI has seen the rep memo and found no factual or contextual errors. The dems memo needs to go thru the same process and be released. Chips are beginning to fall as the plot unfolds. Very interesting times indeed... |
| 2018-01-29 9:35 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... So Director Wray finally reads the FISA memo yesterday and immediately McCabe is gone. Trump obviously knew what info was out there on McCAbe because he started mocking him trying to run out the clock a while back. Tick tock, the clock is speeding up. Nobody "steps down, effective immediately". He was fired and it's being reported in several outlets that it's the case so it appears that it's related to the information about FISA abuses by the FBI in the Nunes report. I'm sitting back with my bag of popcorn and a smile. My tinfoil hat that I've worn for years is coming true before my eyes... X |
| 2018-01-29 9:40 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... |
| 2018-01-30 11:32 AM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Don't forget. Wray said he'd resign if Trump fired McCabe not that long ago. So, whatever is in that memo must be pretty bad.
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| 2018-01-30 12:08 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Here's another interesting thought. Why exactly are 100% of the Democrats against releasing this memo? I thought Democrats were all about transparency and openness. |
| 2018-01-30 12:29 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by tuwood Here's another interesting thought. Why exactly are 100% of the Democrats against releasing this memo? I thought Democrats were all about transparency and openness. Yeah, you really have to wonder wth they were thinking?! They knew they didn't have the votes to block it.....it was coming out whether they voted for it or not. Why go on record as opposing transparency? They have their 'rebuttal' memo that they claim refutes the reps memo. Maybe they have alternate facts? :-) Not sure how this will play out. The FBI had 3 people review the rep's memo and found no factual or contextual errors. Gonna be hard now for the dems memo to claim the rep memo is BS. If I were a dem on the committee, as soon I realized all the reps voted to release, I'd change my vote to release! I can't imagine there are many people in America that would side with secrecy when it comes to issues of corruption. Back when they indicted Mueller the media buzz was that the indictments would snowball now. They did not. Wonder if they will predict FBI resignations to snowball now? |
| 2018-01-30 1:07 PM in reply to: #5236547 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... This has the be the stupidest made up scandal yet. So if I understand it right, a life long republican, hand-picked trump appointee believes there's enough evidence to renew a fisa warrant on a member of the Trump campaign who had been under investigation since 2013 for ties to Russia. And because information from a dossier put together by a reputable firm was paid for by a republican donor who gave a million dollars to Trumps inauguration, and later by Hillary Clinton's campaign, was used to corrobarate other evidence that conveniently the writers of the report (a guy who was caught sneaking into the white house to pick up leaked intelligence and recused himself from the investigation but except for this?) won't let anyone see, somehow that means the fbi is biased? If that's their huge conspiracy, that's a huge yawn. If anything it makes the dossier *more* credible since it means there must be more evidence from other sources that basically says the same thing in order to get the warrant. |
| 2018-01-30 1:20 PM in reply to: drewb8 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by drewb8 This has the be the stupidest made up scandal yet. So if I understand it right, a life long republican, hand-picked trump appointee believes there's enough evidence to renew a fisa warrant on a member of the Trump campaign who had been under investigation since 2013 for ties to Russia. And because information from a dossier put together by a reputable firm was paid for by a republican donor who gave a million dollars to Trumps inauguration, and later by Hillary Clinton's campaign, was used to corrobarate other evidence that conveniently the writers of the report (a guy who was caught sneaking into the white house to pick up leaked intelligence and recused himself from the investigation but except for this?) won't let anyone see, somehow that means the fbi is biased? If that's their huge conspiracy, that's a huge yawn. If anything it makes the dossier *more* credible since it means there must be more evidence from other sources that basically says the same thing in order to get the warrant. You're usually better than this Drew. Your comment is full of factual errors. For starters, we don't know what's in the memo other than that it's related to the FBI abusing the FISA warrant process. Several people who have seen the memo are very troubled by what's in it and McCabe was just fired as a result of what's in it. That's all we know. |
| 2018-01-30 1:38 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by drewb8 This has the be the stupidest made up scandal yet. So if I understand it right, a life long republican, hand-picked trump appointee believes there's enough evidence to renew a fisa warrant on a member of the Trump campaign who had been under investigation since 2013 for ties to Russia. And because information from a dossier put together by a reputable firm was paid for by a republican donor who gave a million dollars to Trumps inauguration, and later by Hillary Clinton's campaign, was used to corrobarate other evidence that conveniently the writers of the report (a guy who was caught sneaking into the white house to pick up leaked intelligence and recused himself from the investigation but except for this?) won't let anyone see, somehow that means the fbi is biased? If that's their huge conspiracy, that's a huge yawn. If anything it makes the dossier *more* credible since it means there must be more evidence from other sources that basically says the same thing in order to get the warrant. You're usually better than this Drew. Your comment is full of factual errors. For starters, we don't know what's in the memo other than that it's related to the FBI abusing the FISA warrant process. Several people who have seen the memo are very troubled by what's in it and McCabe was just fired as a result of what's in it. That's all we know. The only thing we know about the Rep's memo is that it was written by lawyers with a political agenda. That's also the only thing we know about the Dem's rebuttal. Give a lawyer 10 months worth of documents from an investigation and let them cherry pick whatever they want out of it to create a 4 page memo, and I bet they can make it look however they want. If Congress were truly interested in transparency, they would wait until after the Dem's memo was vetted and release them together. Or better yet, the committee would sit down together and write up a bi-partisan memo addressing whatever concerns they have. After all, indisputable facts should be able to stand up to any scrutiny. |
| 2018-01-30 2:11 PM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by Bob Loblaw Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by drewb8 This has the be the stupidest made up scandal yet. So if I understand it right, a life long republican, hand-picked trump appointee believes there's enough evidence to renew a fisa warrant on a member of the Trump campaign who had been under investigation since 2013 for ties to Russia. And because information from a dossier put together by a reputable firm was paid for by a republican donor who gave a million dollars to Trumps inauguration, and later by Hillary Clinton's campaign, was used to corrobarate other evidence that conveniently the writers of the report (a guy who was caught sneaking into the white house to pick up leaked intelligence and recused himself from the investigation but except for this?) won't let anyone see, somehow that means the fbi is biased? If that's their huge conspiracy, that's a huge yawn. If anything it makes the dossier *more* credible since it means there must be more evidence from other sources that basically says the same thing in order to get the warrant. You're usually better than this Drew. Your comment is full of factual errors. For starters, we don't know what's in the memo other than that it's related to the FBI abusing the FISA warrant process. Several people who have seen the memo are very troubled by what's in it and McCabe was just fired as a result of what's in it. That's all we know. The only thing we know about the Rep's memo is that it was written by lawyers with a political agenda. That's also the only thing we know about the Dem's rebuttal. Give a lawyer 10 months worth of documents from an investigation and let them cherry pick whatever they want out of it to create a 4 page memo, and I bet they can make it look however they want. If Congress were truly interested in transparency, they would wait until after the Dem's memo was vetted and release them together. Or better yet, the committee would sit down together and write up a bi-partisan memo addressing whatever concerns they have. After all, indisputable facts should be able to stand up to any scrutiny. Pretty sure the same will be said of the Mueller investigation replacing reps with dems. Edited by Rogillio 2018-01-30 2:12 PM |
| 2018-01-30 2:20 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw Pretty sure the same will be said of the Mueller investigation replacing reps with dems. Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by drewb8 This has the be the stupidest made up scandal yet. So if I understand it right, a life long republican, hand-picked trump appointee believes there's enough evidence to renew a fisa warrant on a member of the Trump campaign who had been under investigation since 2013 for ties to Russia. And because information from a dossier put together by a reputable firm was paid for by a republican donor who gave a million dollars to Trumps inauguration, and later by Hillary Clinton's campaign, was used to corrobarate other evidence that conveniently the writers of the report (a guy who was caught sneaking into the white house to pick up leaked intelligence and recused himself from the investigation but except for this?) won't let anyone see, somehow that means the fbi is biased? If that's their huge conspiracy, that's a huge yawn. If anything it makes the dossier *more* credible since it means there must be more evidence from other sources that basically says the same thing in order to get the warrant. You're usually better than this Drew. Your comment is full of factual errors. For starters, we don't know what's in the memo other than that it's related to the FBI abusing the FISA warrant process. Several people who have seen the memo are very troubled by what's in it and McCabe was just fired as a result of what's in it. That's all we know. The only thing we know about the Rep's memo is that it was written by lawyers with a political agenda. That's also the only thing we know about the Dem's rebuttal. Give a lawyer 10 months worth of documents from an investigation and let them cherry pick whatever they want out of it to create a 4 page memo, and I bet they can make it look however they want. If Congress were truly interested in transparency, they would wait until after the Dem's memo was vetted and release them together. Or better yet, the committee would sit down together and write up a bi-partisan memo addressing whatever concerns they have. After all, indisputable facts should be able to stand up to any scrutiny. The difference is that if Mueller wants to indict anyone, he has to provide evidence that'll hold up in court. So if he tries to pin a crime on Trump by using a random text message taken out of context, Trump's lawyers will have a field day ripping that apart. The Republican memo, and the Democrat rebuttal, is nothing more than politicians trying to swing the public opinion.
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| 2018-01-30 2:36 PM in reply to: #5236547 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach...The Republican memo, and the Democrat rebuttal, is nothing more than politicians trying to swing the public opinion. Ding ding ding! |
| 2018-01-30 2:50 PM in reply to: drewb8 |
Regular 549 | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... All I can say, is we are all F'd. Dems say this, Republicans say that, the media spins it as they want the message spun (mostly slanted towards Democrats) and the American people are left wondering who is looking out for them. Think your vote matters? It doesnt. Do not kid yourself into thinking that your choice of R or D actually makes a difference. These folks are in such lockstep with "the party" that they have little to no interest in what is happening in your state. They are there to serve the party, period. |
| 2018-01-30 2:54 PM in reply to: drewb8 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by drewb8 The Republican memo, and the Democrat rebuttal, is nothing more than politicians trying to swing the public opinion. Ding ding ding! Doesn’t matter. If they point to criminal activity and/or corruption the American people have a right to know. We are not stupid and have to rely on the gubment and the media to tell us what they think we need to know. Put it out there....all of it and let us decide. Read the text messages and it is obvious there was extreme bias exhonerating HRC. If FISA was used to spy on Americans I want to know WHY. The “F” is suppose to be foreign! Huge issues if the FBI is spying on Americans for political reasons. Much bigger issues than merely politics here. |
| 2018-01-30 2:58 PM in reply to: hessma |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by hessma All I can say, is we are all F'd. Dems say this, Republicans say that, the media spins it as they want the message spun (mostly slanted towards Democrats) and the American people are left wondering who is looking out for them. Think your vote matters? It doesnt. Do not kid yourself into thinking that your choice of R or D actually makes a difference. These folks are in such lockstep with "the party" that they have little to no interest in what is happening in your state. They are there to serve the party, period. I disagree. If HRC had won none of the corruption would have come to light. The corruption happened because it was assumed Hillary would win. This is not my opinion it what the FBI agent leading the investigation said. So yes, votes matter! |
| 2018-01-30 3:28 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by drewb8 The Republican memo, and the Democrat rebuttal, is nothing more than politicians trying to swing the public opinion. Ding ding ding! Doesn’t matter. If they point to criminal activity and/or corruption the American people have a right to know. We are not stupid and have to rely on the gubment and the media to tell us what they think we need to know. Put it out there....all of it and let us decide. Read the text messages and it is obvious there was extreme bias exhonerating HRC. If FISA was used to spy on Americans I want to know WHY. The “F” is suppose to be foreign! Huge issues if the FBI is spying on Americans for political reasons. Much bigger issues than merely politics here. But they're not putting it all out there. They're putting half of it out and voted to not let the public see the other half. Actually, they're putting a talking points memo of a small piece of 10 month investigation written from a partisan viewpoint. If you want all of it out there, how come you're not calling for the release of the Democrat's memo? |
| 2018-01-30 3:44 PM in reply to: Bob Loblaw |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by Bob Loblaw Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by drewb8 The Republican memo, and the Democrat rebuttal, is nothing more than politicians trying to swing the public opinion. Ding ding ding! Doesn’t matter. If they point to criminal activity and/or corruption the American people have a right to know. We are not stupid and have to rely on the gubment and the media to tell us what they think we need to know. Put it out there....all of it and let us decide. Read the text messages and it is obvious there was extreme bias exhonerating HRC. If FISA was used to spy on Americans I want to know WHY. The “F” is suppose to be foreign! Huge issues if the FBI is spying on Americans for political reasons. Much bigger issues than merely politics here. But they're not putting it all out there. They're putting half of it out and voted to not let the public see the other half. Actually, they're putting a talking points memo of a small piece of 10 month investigation written from a partisan viewpoint. If you want all of it out there, how come you're not calling for the release of the Democrat's memo? Not so. They are simly requiring the dem memo to go thru the exact same process before release that the rep memo went thru. They have already committed to releasing it after it the House has reviewed it. |
| 2018-01-30 4:04 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Expert 2373 Floriduh | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... It's just a bunch of partisan posturing. Ugh |
| 2018-01-30 4:05 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Bob Loblaw Not so. They are simly requiring the dem memo to go thru the exact same process before release that the rep memo went thru. They have already committed to releasing it after it the House has reviewed it. Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by drewb8 The Republican memo, and the Democrat rebuttal, is nothing more than politicians trying to swing the public opinion. Ding ding ding! Doesn’t matter. If they point to criminal activity and/or corruption the American people have a right to know. We are not stupid and have to rely on the gubment and the media to tell us what they think we need to know. Put it out there....all of it and let us decide. Read the text messages and it is obvious there was extreme bias exhonerating HRC. If FISA was used to spy on Americans I want to know WHY. The “F” is suppose to be foreign! Huge issues if the FBI is spying on Americans for political reasons. Much bigger issues than merely politics here. But they're not putting it all out there. They're putting half of it out and voted to not let the public see the other half. Actually, they're putting a talking points memo of a small piece of 10 month investigation written from a partisan viewpoint. If you want all of it out there, how come you're not calling for the release of the Democrat's memo? You got anything to back that statement up? Cause here's what I found on the least liberal website I could think to check, Breitbart. "The committee rejected releasing the Democratic memo to the public, but approved releasing it to House members, as was the procedure with the FISA memo. The committee could later vote to make that memo public as well." Could later vote to release it is very different than committing to releasing it after it's been reviewed. And even if Congress does vote to release it, Trump can single handily block it's release. Which I personally believe he most definitely will do if it undermines the facts in the Republican's memo. So if the FBI reviews the Dem's memo and finds no factual or contextual errors, will you be demanding that Congress and Trump release the memo? Much bigger issue than merely politics here? American people have a right to know? |
| 2018-01-30 4:39 PM in reply to: Oysterboy |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by Oysterboy It's just a bunch of partisan posturing. Ugh I love how you guys are labeling it the "Republican Memo" and "partisan posturing". lol Do you both feel that there was absolutely nothing illegal done by the FBI as it relates to FISA warrants? You have zero desire to see evidence that may show otherwise? Any evidence of a crime would just be "partisan posturing" as long as it's presented by Republicans? Seriously? So, to summarize there are no crimes or wrongdoing that have occurred, are occurring, and ever will occur as long as the person being investigated has a D behind their name or supports somebody that has a D behind their name and no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise. Then on top of that, use every tool at the disposal of the government to label and block the release of any evidence anyways because there's no possible way it could show wrongdoing. But other than that, our government is working just fine. lol Civil liberties is one thing that drew me closer to the Democratic party, but the Democratic party has been taken over by leftists whom have left the progressives behind. No progressive democrat would ever be opposed to the release of evidence showing corruption or even potential corruption in the government. |
| 2018-01-30 4:44 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Tucker gave a decent rundown of what's in the memo last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzw7098V78I also, CNN is reporting that Trump will #releasethememo after the SOTU address tonight. |
| 2018-01-30 4:53 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by Oysterboy It's just a bunch of partisan posturing. Ugh I love how you guys are labeling it the "Republican Memo" and "partisan posturing". lol Do you both feel that there was absolutely nothing illegal done by the FBI as it relates to FISA warrants? You have zero desire to see evidence that may show otherwise? Any evidence of a crime would just be "partisan posturing" as long as it's presented by Republicans? Seriously? So, to summarize there are no crimes or wrongdoing that have occurred, are occurring, and ever will occur as long as the person being investigated has a D behind their name or supports somebody that has a D behind their name and no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise. Then on top of that, use every tool at the disposal of the government to label and block the release of any evidence anyways because there's no possible way it could show wrongdoing. But other than that, our government is working just fine. lol Civil liberties is one thing that drew me closer to the Democratic party, but the Democratic party has been taken over by leftists whom have left the progressives behind. No progressive democrat would ever be opposed to the release of evidence showing corruption or even potential corruption in the government. Republicans wrote a memo making what they say is factual claims. Democrats have a memo that they claim factually contradicts the Republicans claims. If it was truly just facts, it would be black and white. If two memos written by two different sides of the political spectrum contradict each other, how is that anything other than political posturing from both sides? And how does releasing just one of the memos provide transparency? By the way, there's one thing missing from your summary. Every single FISA warrant that was granted was done so by a judge that was hand picked, with absolutely no Congressional approval or oversight, by John Roberts. So when you make your claims about the treasonous FBI trying to overthrow the government, you need to include the treasonous conservative court. |
| 2018-01-30 4:54 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Apparently the FBI needs to read BT to discover that this is partisan posturing and has nothing to do with the facts. /eyeroll FBI officials review surveillance memo, could not cite 'any factual inaccuracies': source
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| 2018-01-30 5:02 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by tuwood Apparently the FBI needs to read BT to discover that this is partisan posturing and has nothing to do with the facts. /eyeroll FBI officials review surveillance memo, could not cite 'any factual inaccuracies': source
So if the FBI can not city "any factual inaccuracies" in the Dem's memo, I'll wait for your demands for Republicans and Trump to release that one. /eyeroll |
| 2018-01-30 5:37 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Regular 549 | Subject: RE: FBI and DOJ beyond reproach... Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by hessma All I can say, is we are all F'd. Dems say this, Republicans say that, the media spins it as they want the message spun (mostly slanted towards Democrats) and the American people are left wondering who is looking out for them. Think your vote matters? It doesnt. Do not kid yourself into thinking that your choice of R or D actually makes a difference. These folks are in such lockstep with "the party" that they have little to no interest in what is happening in your state. They are there to serve the party, period. I disagree. If HRC had won none of the corruption would have come to light. The corruption happened because it was assumed Hillary would win. This is not my opinion it what the FBI agent leading the investigation said. So yes, votes matter! If something happens, I'll pay attention. My guess is this will be a bunch of sound and fury that changes nothing. No one of importance will be indicted, some low level person will take the fall and then we will all move on. In 3 years we will elect another figurehead and if its a Democrat, Republicans will do everything to cut him/her down and vice versa. Wash - Rinse - Repeat. |
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