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How to stop school shootings....

I do not have a concealed carry permit and don’t believe it is necessary. By definition no one knows when I’m packin’. If I we’re a teacher I’d carry to protect the kids. Not real interested in charging a guy with a gun with a #2 pencil.



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You need to trim your toenails...

This school is doing a good job of preparedness: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/inside-the-safest-school-in-america-1166029891710

 

Edited by trigal38 2018-02-22 6:17 PM

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Totally disagree with a tax on responsible law abiding gun owners. That would be a unfair penalty. Would be curious to know how many gun owners would support such a tax. My guess is not many. There is a tendency for people to make some pretty extreme recommendations when they are not impacted in the least by their implementation. If you own no guns 2A is probably not very meaningful/important to you. On the other hand most people would be enraged at the prospect of restrictions/censorship of internet content and the infringement of free speech. No one can deny that unfettered accessibility to ANYTHING imaginable has had negative impacts/consequences. Continued exposure to violence (or anything else) results in desensitization and the internet is ripe with it. Just to be clear I am not in favor of internet restrictions, just trying to juxtapose two differing perspectives.

Ahh, I got guns and I support the 2nd amendment. We have security issues at our schools, someone needs to pay for that. I'd be absolutely cool with paying an extra $0.50 for a box of shells if the money was going to secure the safety of our local schools.

I likely own more guns than you and I have no problem paying more tax for the ones I'll buy in the future. Everything is taxed to pay for something. If guns need to be taxed to retrofit schools and pay for more security thats certainly a viable way to go about it. A free society isn't free....wait until you see what insurance costs a school district if this isn't dealt with. I don't agree with a lot of what's being thrown around in the wake of this latest shooting....but I certainly agree that enough is enough. How would you pay for it?

Same way we pay for everything else.....we just print more money! Go deeper into debt!

I don't know what the budget is for Homeland Defense but I think that is where the money should flow thru.

Americans are very generous....instead of a box to check to donate $1 to go to the presidential election how about a line where you write in a portion of your return go to 'save the chitlins' campaign? It could also be privately funded....put pressure on overpaid athletes and Hollywood elites and the Gate Foundation etc to contribute. Instead of wasting millions to hold a protest march, send that money to the "School Tax For Ungunning" (STFU).

Thanks for posting this. That was interesting. I'm not sure about the cost impact of having full time personnel manning a security system... but the up front costs of a "gas system" and enhanced monitoring is very viable. I ponder if society would accept something like that though...

My wife is a teacher. Much of what was shown is already done in schools in her board. There are lock down procedures, practised at least once a term. There's a less severe warning called "hold and secure" if something is going on in the vicinity of the school. But in a violent threat that enter the school they essentially close the doors to a classroom, turn the lights off, and herd the students into a corner of the room where they can't be seen through the door. No one talks...and the biggest problem...keeping students off there phones. Even the police warn that posting to social media, calling or texting can alert the threat to where you are....

Here's where my kids go/went to HS. Securing this campus will be a challenge.

My wife is a teacher as well as a lot of her friends. I get to hang out with teachers a lot. The idea of arming them is so comical I can’t help but laugh out loud every time it is mentioned. I’d be hard pressed to find one of them I’d trust with a firearm. That may not be the case in every school but I’d wager it’s the case in a majority of schools.

Mine is too, though stopped full time gig years ago and only subs these days. I think we'd have better results arming administrators and concentrating less on the teachers. Most administrators are hard charging career oriented individuals; making weapons training part of the job would be assimilated by these people without much difficulty. Arming the teachers? We can't discount the 'momma bear' instinct of the teachers. Cornered in a classroom with her kids, I believe most of the teachers I know could be capable of at least emptying a full magazine downrange toward the threat, in order to protect their students. I believe 15 rounds of withering fire would probably make most of these nut jobs tuck tail and run. Downside of spray and pray defense is collateral damage.


Edited by mdg2003 2018-02-23 11:12 AM

Here's where my kids go/went to HS. Securing this campus will be a challenge.

After Sandy Hook my wife was in tears one day. She told me she would absolutely do what one of the teachers there did shielding a child with her body. She told me flat out she’d take a bullet for any of her kids. Fast forward to last night , “he’s f ing nuts if he thinks I should have a gun”

Glad to have you join and be part of a problem solving discussion. It's easier to point hysterically point fingers than solve problems, but not you Dave. Glad to see you're here to help.

Do you think that coach that charged the shooting in the FL school wished he had a gun?

Maybe your wife is incapable or handling a gun but I assure you there are many who are. And not just teachers....janitors, cafeteria workers, maintenance men, guidance counselors, principles.....almost anyone can be trained how to effectively fire a gun. And if not a gun then a taser. Better to fire a taser at a shooter than to throw an eraser at him or threaten him with detention!

If we don't do this we will just be kicking the can down the road. Congress will pass some token laws like banning bump stocks and raising the age to buy guns to 21 and limit magazine size and the gun control people will pat themselves on the back and think they have made the world safer.....until the next shooting. The next shooter is probably already out there planning his shooting and already has his weapon(s). Even if congress banned the sale of ALL weapons there will be more shootings!! Even if the 2nd amendment was removed from the Constitution and the government confiscated all guns.....there would still be shootings! Someone who wants to kill students is not going be stopped by laws!

I just read that about 1/3 of the households in the US has at least one gun. So, statistically speaking, how many houses does one have to burglarize to obtain at least one gun? Doesn't really matter if it is 9mm or shotgun.....both kill. Not many people will charge a man shooting a shotgun with 00 buckshot?

I don't know if people are just willfully ignorant or what. If I take the plug out of a 12 ga automatic it will hold 5 shells. If I have an ammo bag with 100 shells of double-ought buckshot hanging from my neck I can shoot/load/shoot/load/shoot-shoot/load-load/shoot-load/shoot-shoot-shoot-shoot/load/shoot/load-load etc and kill dozens of people. You would never catch me with an empty chamber and so would never get a chance to 'rush me'. If you did, you'd die. I'd also have a 9mm in my left pocket and a 357 in my right.....probably another in my boot.

Focusing on the types of weapon that are used is simply naïve. Trying to keep the nutjob who wants to kill people from getting guns is equally naïve. If some one is willing to kill people, they will have no problem at all breaking into houses to obtain guns or stealing them from friend or family members.....or simply buy them on FB Market Place or CL or a garage sale!

I’m certainly not saying this is the norm every where. Also I’m not opposed to the idea of better protection for students and teachers. I can say with almost a 100% certainty I know not one educator who would be capable , regardless of training , defending anyone with a fire arm. Unless protection meant slinging a bunch of lead in one direction regardless of having an effective chance of hitting something. I actually think having weapons on school grounds is more of a risk to students getting their hands on them an accidentally hurting themselves.

To the highlighted point, I heard someone on the radio on my ride in comment that most mass shooters either commit suicide or suicide by cop. So the idea of them being scared off by return fire may not apply here. I'm not so sure that "spray and pray" is a sound mechanism for school security

Lefty: If I was in that chamber during the event you speak of I am dead certain I would be carrying a firearm with me now.

This describes 90% of the trap shooters at my club

She doesn't have to hit anything. First off, just knowing that some teachers are armed will deter some of the nutjobs from even attempting a school shooting. Second, these guys are not looking to be an a firefight. They are not going to rush towards gun fire....they would likely run the other way.

Who loves ya baby?

That quote really dates me, eh?