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2020-03-10 12:28 PM
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The high death rate EVERYWHERE is age related.  And what is it that the people briefing us are not doing that the rest of the world is doing.....enlighten me, because I don't see ANY difference.

And what happened to China?  Did everybody over there die?  That's a country of BILLIONS.....where's the rest of the sick folks?  Again, I'm asking.......where is this reason that has people thinking this is more horrible then your garden variety flu......that kills MANY more people in a few months time.  What is it?

 



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The high death rate EVERYWHERE is age related.  And what is it that the people briefing us are not doing that the rest of the world is doing.....enlighten me, because I don't see ANY difference.

And what happened to China?  Did everybody over there die?  That's a country of BILLIONS.....where's the rest of the sick folks?  Again, I'm asking.......where is this reason that has people thinking this is more horrible then your garden variety flu......that kills MANY more people in a few months time.  What is it?

 




China : did everyone die. No, They took MASSIVE precautions, they shut down provinces and quarantined 11 million people. Their president acknowledged the danger and took personal responsibility to deal wit it.

Why do people think it's worst than the flu ? They don't. They simply don't know. Science has a long track record with the flu. They have sophisticated models of how many people have it. (They don't count them one by one). They understand mutations, Kind of. The have vaccines that "limit" it. And even with that, lots die

With Covid they don't know transmission rates or how many people are infected. They are speculating on mortality rates. They don't know about mutations, They are speculating on timing of mortality rates. The most optimistic is it's the same as the flu and maybe will double the number of bed ridden patients. You can quickly tweak a parameter and all of a sudden you have "just enough" ICU beds to deal with it. Tweak it a bit more and you're in big trouble. Nobody knows.

The smart people are saying slow it down, buy some time, understand what we are dealing with. Learn from other countries and their mistakes.

From what I see, the US is taking all the precautions that need to be taken. This despite some early missteps. They could do much better on communication



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So what "communication" are you getting in your country that isn't happening here? I don't care, but you seem to have an opinion on what my country does so I thought I might as well ask.

I happen to think my country needs LESS communication....because, and this cannot be overstated,  you can get a different opinion just by watching another channel....NO MATTER WHAT THE GOVT. COMMUNICATES.  And if you really want to see over communication......go read what the nitwits on twitter put up.

2020-03-10 1:40 PM
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So what "communication" are you getting in your country that isn't happening here? I don't care, but you seem to have an opinion on what my country does so I thought I might as well ask.

I happen to think my country needs LESS communication....because, and this cannot be overstated,  you can get a different opinion just by watching another channel....NO MATTER WHAT THE GOVT. COMMUNICATES.  And if you really want to see over communication......go read what the nitwits on twitter put up.




I guess there are a few differences.

First of all nobody listens to our prime minister :-) Half of you guys listen to your president, half do the opposite of what he says.
One big difference between Trudeau and Trump is Trudeau doesn't pretend to know things he doesn't. He is very good at delegating to competent people. He doesn't get bent out of shape if he is contradicted. I am not a Trudeau fan, never voted for him, but I recognize some of his strengths.

I wrote a pile of other crap that I just deleted. I found this instead

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-on-coronaviru...
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LOL - nice article, I guess (like I said, i don't even know what style of govt. you have in your country....the walleye fishing and the duck hunting is good there, and Edmonton can run a nice triathlon...that's my limit of knowledge of your country....it's all I care about or need).....as someone who is on the local "front-line" for any crisis that arises, I can tell you that your country is not doing A SINGLE THING that my country is not doing.  Not one.  In fact,  we are now limiting attendance to many events or cancelling them outright.....apparently more than you all are.  My country started travel restrictions......and the left howled at the moon over it.  It's a misconception that we are not prepared here, and the threat is monstrously overblown, according to the majority of experts who's talks I have been forced to attend.  I don't know where you get your information about the US response, or even the president's response, but I know most of it comes off of news wires that our media feeds.....and our media, on both sides, is an absolute joke.  People who only watch one channel basically don't have a clue about anything.  LOL  (not directed at you, unless you're THAT guy  )



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Let's talk about Italy. They went from 366 deaths on the weekend to 463 yesterday to 631 today already.

China isn't really forthcoming about anything so we don't really know the numbers from there.

I'm a middle school teacher outside of Denver. I have more than one student who is compromised. If it hits here it will hit them just like it does the "older" people.

We need to be prudent and those who are laughing it off are not being prudent. That will put lives in danger.


2020-03-10 2:06 PM
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LOL - nice article, I guess (like I said, i don't even know what style of govt. you have in your country....the walleye fishing and the duck hunting is good there, and Edmonton can run a nice triathlon...that's my limit of knowledge of your country....it's all I care about or need).....as someone who is on the local "front-line" for any crisis that arises, I can tell you that your country is not doing A SINGLE THING that my country is not doing.  Not one.  In fact,  we are now limiting attendance to many events or cancelling them outright.....apparently more than you all are.  My country started travel restrictions......and the left howled at the moon over it.  It's a misconception that we are not prepared here, and the threat is monstrously overblown, according to the majority of experts who's talks I have been forced to attend.  I don't know where you get your information about the US response, or even the president's response, but I know most of it comes off of news wires that our media feeds.....and our media, on both sides, is an absolute joke.  People who only watch one channel basically don't have a clue about anything.  LOL  (not directed at you, unless you're THAT guy  )




I said before, I think the US is doing everything now. Some early behaviours were questionable (IMO)

I spent a month watching Fox :-) I actually enjoyed it. My take on it, overall it is better balanced than the other network except for a few nutcases that are just over the top.

Most of my new "friends" were I was vacationing were pro-Trump. My dog's best friend was the retired police chief of Columbia Missouri :-) My neigbours were from Kirkwood. Lots of Missourri people. Apparently the Cards were in town.

I actually probably understand it more than you give me credit for.

2020-03-10 2:06 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio
My prediction is, in the final analysis, this will end up being no more “deadly” than the seasonal flu. .


And I hope you are right. But you are guessing. Just like you are guessing on stock markets, weather and elections. Guess what ? Nobody has shown they are good at guessing at those. There is simply not enough data to say this is better, same or worst than the flu. We are "hoping" it's no worst than the flu. And BTW, if it's equal to the flu, we now have double the flu problem we previoulsy had.

The smart people would be trying to slow things down, in a calm and orderly fashion until we know. The smart people are making contingency plans.

Traditional media is to blame, social media is to blame, the blatant ignorance and lack of leadership of some is to blame. And it's not just one "leader"







Yes, I’m “guessing”. Do you ride your bike on the highway? Guessing you do. Do you guess you are going to have a wreck before you ride? Probably not but you are guessing. Based on your past experiences and what you know, you make a decision to ride. I guessed you ride your bike on the roads. Why? Cause you are on a triathlon web site.

Ok my example may sound patronizing. Sorry. My point is, yes I am guessing. But my guess is based on what has been reported and the history of viral infections.

I have never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. I know many people who can say the same thing. Why does this matter? I think some people are just genetically immune to most viruses. What are the odds of me living 57 years and NEVER having the flu? My ‘guess’ is that pandemic models assume we are all equally capable of getting the virus. We are not.
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I don't know if you do or you don't, marcag....but I know I don't understand why you care.  I have never had a thought about how another country is ran, much less their politics.  I just don't care.

fortissimo - so far, there is NO evidence that covid-19 will affect young people the same as old people.  NOT ONE BIT OF EVIDENCE. The avg. fatality age is 80.

ETA - I read your comment again and see how you used "compromised"...and I don't know what that means for your students.

And yeah, I'm going to laugh at quite a bit of what people do and say......because it's funny.



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I don't know if you do or you don't, marcag....but I know I don't understand why you care.  I have never had a thought about how another country is ran, much less their politics.  I just don't care.




"Care" is a strong word. Of course I care about the well being of people elsewhere but I don't lose sleep over good or bad decisions you guys make. Gun control, abortion, I care but I don't really care. I do care about things that impact me, environment, military, economy....

I am very curious about what makes people tick, cultural differences....the good and the bad of different systems.

I had the "pleasure" of being on a 6 hour flight with a Saudi woman in full "gear". We talked about women's rights, freedom, religion....it was fascinating although I disagreed completely with her beliefs. But they were hers. She had nothing but criticism towards where I came from. That's ok....Conversation ended when she gave me a hard time for having a beer. I do have my limits.

US politics are a little different because they impact us more than other countries so yes, I follow it more. The impact Trump has on us is less and less. With Nafta out of the way, I don't believe he is a military nutcake, I don't lose sleep over what you guys do.

I do worry about your economy as much as you do.
2020-03-10 3:20 PM
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I have never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. I know many people who can say the same thing. Why does this matter? I think some people are just genetically immune to most viruses. What are the odds of me living 57 years and NEVER having the flu? My ‘guess’ is that pandemic models assume we are all equally capable of getting the virus. We are not.


Same here. Never had the flu. I never get a cold. I think I have a strong immune system. I think it's partially related to triathlon training, ie the body is used to dealing with physical stress.

But unlike the idiot that went to the dance with an infected person, I do think about people around me and will do my part to not be part of the problem.


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I have to deal with people, usually at their worst, so much, that I don't have room to care about what people in other countries do.  I REALLY don't care about what they think of my country.  I agree that "care" is a strong word.....and I still don't care, at all.   In fact, having to deal with different cultures keeps me from seeing much of the planet, so that kind of sucks, because I think it's a beautiful place and I enjoy seeing places I have never been...but I'm happy with my own culture and don't care about yours, and I don't feel like indulging it.  I'm sure it's perfectly fine....but I don't have the inclination or the need to find out.   That being said, I'm very welcoming to people who want to come to my country to live.....much more than you might imagine.  I just don't have it in me to not understand someone wanting to make a better life for them self or their family....I would certainly do the same.  In that case, I just don't care where they came from.....be American or go back to where you hated being.  That's not hard.

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I have to deal with people, usually at their worst, so much, that I don't have room to care about what people in other countries do. 



I get that. A good friend and triathlete is with the provincial police. We have spoken extensively about it. He doesn't go through a day without dealing with a bad situation. Not a week without a really bad situation. I appreciate what that does to a person.

Originally posted by Left Brain
REALLY don't care about what they think of my country.  I agree that "care" is a strong word.....and I still don't care, at all.   In fact, having to deal with different cultures keeps me from seeing much of the planet, so that kind of sucks, because I think it's a beautiful place and I enjoy seeing places I have never been...but I'm happy with my own culture and don't care about yours, and I don't feel like indulging it. 


Seeing other cultures just makes us appreciate our own more. Visiting them in the dead of winter makes us forget about some of the less interesting parts of our own :-)

Originally posted by Left Brain
m sure it's perfectly fine....but I don't have the inclination or the need to find out.   That being said, I'm very welcoming to people who want to come to my country to live.....much more than you might imagine.  I just don't have it in me to not understand someone wanting to make a better life for them self or their family....I would certainly do the same.  In that case, I just don't care where they came from.....be American or go back to where you hated being.  That's not hard.




Agree. That being said, you have a much bigger divide in what being "American" is.
I could argue that my beliefs are pretty in line with a lot of americans but could be very different than yours.
I'd probably be labelled an independant. I would vote for a Trump over a Bernie. We are not all socialist nutcakes here.
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I have never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. I know many people who can say the same thing. Why does this matter? I think some people are just genetically immune to most viruses. What are the odds of me living 57 years and NEVER having the flu? My ‘guess’ is that pandemic models assume we are all equally capable of getting the virus. We are not.


Same here. Never had the flu. I never get a cold. I think I have a strong immune system. I think it's partially related to triathlon training, ie the body is used to dealing with physical stress.

But unlike the idiot that went to the dance with an infected person, I do think about people around me and will do my part to not be part of the problem.


Ok I will tell you what I really think. Some will call me selfish and callous. Maybe so. I think the flu vaccine is total BS. It is an attempt to protect the weakest members of the herd. Most of us don’t need the flu vaccine as our own immune systems will protect us. But big pharm wants everyone to get a shot. Why not, it is billions of dollars profit for them?! So they guilt people into getting the shot by saying you “healthy folks” could get the virus and spread it and never even know it, therefore you should get the shot for the benefit of the herd. Sorry but not buying the guilt trip. You want me to be injected with a ‘dead’ virus to protest those whose own immunity can’t fight the virus.

Hang on because I’m about to go radical....

Maybe there should not be any flu vaccines? Maybe viruses is nature’s way of protecting the species? Survival of the fittest is you will. If your immune system is not up to the task then your genes die out.

Ok who threw that rock at my head?


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I have to deal with people, usually at their worst, so much, that I don't have room to care about what people in other countries do. 

I get that. A good friend and triathlete is with the provincial police. We have spoken extensively about it. He doesn't go through a day without dealing with a bad situation. Not a week without a really bad situation. I appreciate what that does to a person.
Originally posted by Left Brain REALLY don't care about what they think of my country.  I agree that "care" is a strong word.....and I still don't care, at all.   In fact, having to deal with different cultures keeps me from seeing much of the planet, so that kind of sucks, because I think it's a beautiful place and I enjoy seeing places I have never been...but I'm happy with my own culture and don't care about yours, and I don't feel like indulging it. 
Seeing other cultures just makes us appreciate our own more. Visiting them in the dead of winter makes us forget about some of the less interesting parts of our own :-)
Originally posted by Left Brainm sure it's perfectly fine....but I don't have the inclination or the need to find out.   That being said, I'm very welcoming to people who want to come to my country to live.....much more than you might imagine.  I just don't have it in me to not understand someone wanting to make a better life for them self or their family....I would certainly do the same.  In that case, I just don't care where they came from.....be American or go back to where you hated being.  That's not hard.

Agree. That being said, you have a much bigger divide in what being "American" is. I could argue that my beliefs are pretty in line with a lot of americans but could be very different than yours. I'd probably be labelled an independant. I would vote for a Trump over a Bernie. We are not all socialist nutcakes here.
I enjoy the people in your country and I don't think that at all. Certainly my country is divided, but the pendulum swings and this will pass. It was at least as bad in the 60's and early 70's and we got through it. I'm more willing to compromise then you may think, but not right now. Not as long as the left only wants their way on everything...that's not happening and I will firmly line up on the right in that case. I think it will take some kind of action to bring the 2 sides together, but I don't have a good handle on what that might be. For sure, the current state of division is untenable. What I find most interesting is that my friends and I on the right are perfectly happy to hang out with people who are on the left, that's actually more liberal than our "liberal friends" who, at this time, are intolerant of any view, or people, who don't share their ideas. That's kind of weird, but I can play along as long as necessary. Whatever they want is a no from me.
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I don't know if you do or you don't, marcag....but I know I don't understand why you care.  I have never had a thought about how another country is ran, much less their politics.  I just don't care.

fortissimo - so far, there is NO evidence that covid-19 will affect young people the same as old people.  NOT ONE BIT OF EVIDENCE. The avg. fatality age is 80.

ETA - I read your comment again and see how you used "compromised"...and I don't know what that means for your students.

And yeah, I'm going to laugh at quite a bit of what people do and say......because it's funny.




By compromised I mean children who have life-threatening diseases. I have a student who has leukemia. Another has a blood disorder, had heart surgery last spring, and has just been diagnosed with lupus. Will it be funny when those children catch the virus? They have the same diseases as older humans who are dying from the illness. At this point we don't know how it will affect children who are not healthy.

Will it be funny when a younger person catches a mild version but then passes it on to an older adult you know and love and they don't recover?

The death rate is around 3.7% in our country. I get that not a lot of Americans have been diagnosed with the virus, but we need to look at other countries where it has been more widespread.

People are scared. They're not sure who to believe and trust because, frankly, our President hasn't been real forthcoming with information. Do you really think that is funny? That people are frightened or nervous?



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Originally posted by Rogillio
I have never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. I know many people who can say the same thing. Why does this matter? I think some people are just genetically immune to most viruses. What are the odds of me living 57 years and NEVER having the flu? My ‘guess’ is that pandemic models assume we are all equally capable of getting the virus. We are not.


Same here. Never had the flu. I never get a cold. I think I have a strong immune system. I think it's partially related to triathlon training, ie the body is used to dealing with physical stress.

But unlike the idiot that went to the dance with an infected person, I do think about people around me and will do my part to not be part of the problem.


Ok I will tell you what I really think. Some will call me selfish and callous. Maybe so. I think the flu vaccine is total BS. It is an attempt to protect the weakest members of the herd. Most of us don’t need the flu vaccine as our own immune systems will protect us. But big pharm wants everyone to get a shot. Why not, it is billions of dollars profit for them?! So they guilt people into getting the shot by saying you “healthy folks” could get the virus and spread it and never even know it, therefore you should get the shot for the benefit of the herd. Sorry but not buying the guilt trip. You want me to be injected with a ‘dead’ virus to protest those whose own immunity can’t fight the virus.

Hang on because I’m about to go radical....

Maybe there should not be any flu vaccines? Maybe viruses is nature’s way of protecting the species? Survival of the fittest is you will. If your immune system is not up to the task then your genes die out.

Ok who threw that rock at my head?





Are you married or do you have children?

Hopefully you will rethink that selfish belief if one of your loved ones gets cancer. Their doctors will tell the entire family to get a flu shot so that they can protect the loved one who can't.

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That's all a "one off". My Godson died of leukemia when he was 7. None of us had flu shots and none of us got the flu....and neither did he...but man, we washed our hands until they were raw. Admittedly, I didn't read your whole posts.....just not that curious. But yeah, people are funny and life is good. If you want to trade stories of what we've seen and lived through you'll likely feel pretty stupid when it's over. It's just life, bro....none of it is life and death. LOL

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Originally posted by fortissimo

The death rate is around 3.7% in our country. I get that not a lot of Americans have been diagnosed with the virus, but we need to look at other countries where it has been more widespread.

People are scared. They're not sure who to believe and trust because, frankly, our President hasn't been real forthcoming with information. Do you really think that is funny? That people are frightened or nervous?




Notice something. Most people that are downplaying this keep on talking about the flu.
This is not the flu.
We don't know how many people have it now and we don't know it's reproduction pattern (R0).
We don't have the history to tell if it will fade in the spring
We don't know about mutations

But we have a huge part of the population that now believe this is like the flu and since the flu never hurt them, this won't.

Wonder who they got that idea from :-)

But LB is right that there is an over-reaction which is as dangerous as ignoring it.
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Or....it could be more mild than the flu.  There could be hundreds and hundreds of thousands of cases that nobody recognizes as coronavirus so they don't seek treatment. 

For my family, we have an 87 year old Grandma who has had chronic lung problems.  This would likely kill her if she contracted it.  Luckily she lives alone, and very close to us.  We are making plans to keep her isolated if and when the need arises. 

On another note.....I don't work during the day if I can help it.....but the commute sure is better with (I suppose) less people going out and about, or to work.  There's always a silver lining.

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Or....it could be more mild than the flu.  There could be hundreds and hundreds of thousands of cases that nobody recognizes as coronavirus so they don't seek treatment. 

For my family, we have an 87 year old Grandma who has had chronic lung problems.  This would likely kill her if she contracted it.  Luckily she lives alone, and very close to us.  We are making plans to keep her isolated if and when the need arises. 

On another note.....I don't work during the day if I can help it.....but the commute sure is better with (I suppose) less people going out and about, or to work.  There's always a silver lining.




Could be, but based on what's happening elsewhere it isn't.

I watched Hannity interview Fauci last night. The "postitive spin" was obvious. As is the "negative spin" when you watch CNN.

Question for you. If it was perceived this crisis would hurt the dems in the 2020 election, think the coverage would be flipped ?


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Originally posted by Left Brain

Or....it could be more mild than the flu.  There could be hundreds and hundreds of thousands of cases that nobody recognizes as coronavirus so they don't seek treatment. 

For my family, we have an 87 year old Grandma who has had chronic lung problems.  This would likely kill her if she contracted it.  Luckily she lives alone, and very close to us.  We are making plans to keep her isolated if and when the need arises. 

On another note.....I don't work during the day if I can help it.....but the commute sure is better with (I suppose) less people going out and about, or to work.  There's always a silver lining.

Could be, but based on what's happening elsewhere it isn't. I watched Hannity interview Fauci last night. The "postitive spin" was obvious. As is the "negative spin" when you watch CNN. Question for you. If it was perceived this crisis would hurt the dems in the 2020 election, think the coverage would be flipped ?

Do a degree, sure.  I watch all of the big "news" networks.  They all have their bias......some, like CNN are just over the top.  They won't even report negative news if it affects their agenda.  Fox is the same way......but I've seen them report against their agenda.  It's easier to watch Fox because the folks there just generally seem happier.  The CNN bunch are pretty beat up and sour at this point. LOL

CNN was the first to put a political bend to the virus....which can be expected since they saw an opportunity to bash Trump.  Would Fox use it to bash a Democrat President?  Well, they never bashed President Obama over H1N1 as far as I can remember.....but admittedly,  politics weren't as polarizing then as they are now.

I don't tend to do much thinking about "what would happen" when so much "what is happening" is going on.



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That's all a "one off". My Godson died of leukemia when he was 7. None of us had flu shots and none of us got the flu....and neither did he...but man, we washed our hands until they were raw. Admittedly, I didn't read your whole posts.....just not that curious. But yeah, people are funny and life is good. If you want to trade stories of what we've seen and lived through you'll likely feel pretty stupid when it's over. It's just life, bro....none of it is life and death. LOL


So why would I feel pretty stupid because we've had different life experiences?
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My point is, I'm gonna laugh.....believe it.  Your point was that it's not funny.  THAT's  the difference. 

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Originally posted by fortissimo

Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by Rogillio
I have never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. I know many people who can say the same thing. Why does this matter? I think some people are just genetically immune to most viruses. What are the odds of me living 57 years and NEVER having the flu? My ‘guess’ is that pandemic models assume we are all equally capable of getting the virus. We are not.


Same here. Never had the flu. I never get a cold. I think I have a strong immune system. I think it's partially related to triathlon training, ie the body is used to dealing with physical stress.

But unlike the idiot that went to the dance with an infected person, I do think about people around me and will do my part to not be part of the problem.


Ok I will tell you what I really think. Some will call me selfish and callous. Maybe so. I think the flu vaccine is total BS. It is an attempt to protect the weakest members of the herd. Most of us don’t need the flu vaccine as our own immune systems will protect us. But big pharm wants everyone to get a shot. Why not, it is billions of dollars profit for them?! So they guilt people into getting the shot by saying you “healthy folks” could get the virus and spread it and never even know it, therefore you should get the shot for the benefit of the herd. Sorry but not buying the guilt trip. You want me to be injected with a ‘dead’ virus to protest those whose own immunity can’t fight the virus.

Hang on because I’m about to go radical....

Maybe there should not be any flu vaccines? Maybe viruses is nature’s way of protecting the species? Survival of the fittest is you will. If your immune system is not up to the task then your genes die out.

Ok who threw that rock at my head?





Are you married or do you have children?

Hopefully you will rethink that selfish belief if one of your loved ones gets cancer. Their doctors will tell the entire family to get a flu shot so that they can protect the loved one who can't.




You’re not following me. I don’t get sick. Never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. My kids are both adults but we were together at Thanksgiving and my son caught a bug from his cousin. He was sick for a few days and then my wife and daughter both got sick. Despite riding in a car with them for 12 hrs I never got the bug. So how is me getting a flu shot going to help anyone? Frankly I think the over use of antibacterial soaps and over use of antibiotics has weakened people’s immune systems. Just my opinion. YMMV
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