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2006-10-26 3:45 PM
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Subject: RE: As if the world doesn't hate the US enough as it is.
Cando - 2006-10-26 4:37 PM

Who cares - we live in a technologically advanced world with interactive shows - I'll tape it and watch it when I get home.

The swimmers care. That's the point. This impacts the athletes.

Swim competitions have a rhythm to them. Prelims in the morning, rest/eat during middle of day, get psyched up for finals at night. It's a ritual. And the NBC dickheads just fugged up the ritual of swimming, big time.



2006-10-26 3:48 PM
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2006-10-26 3:51 PM
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 isn't there some obscure cable network that shows everything live anyways?  It could be taped, tivo'ed, whatever. 

It will be interesting to see how NBC pans this one out, they usually do a boring job of drawing it all out .....

that's just IMO.  I can't remember a swim meet where I had to wake up and swim the finals the next morning!  It was all done in ONE DAY.   Even the State events.  

I'm already PO'ed that Monday night football is on ESPN and poor folks like us dont' ahve cable....

 

2006-10-26 3:53 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 1:27 PM

ChrisM - 2006-10-26 4:23 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-26 12:31 PM
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DerekL - 2006-10-26 3:19 PM

Wait, Jim has an INNER hippie too?

Good lord.

According to Autumn's quiz, I'm only a wannabe hippie. And I'm on record here against jam bands, so take that as you will.

So, no 25:00+ minute long Freebird jams for you, eh?

And don't get me started on drum solos.

Even if its NEIL PEART?

Look at that kit. Please tell me why all of that is necessary.

All right, now you've done it, you can trash Bush, Cheney, the US, whatever, all you want, but I will NOT STAND FOR denigration of the greatest Canadian rock and roll drummer of all time!!!!

now, take that back

e man, but that kit is ridiculous. What's he compensating for?



Since when does Neil Peart where a kilt and how would that affect his drumming?

*lost*
2006-10-26 3:59 PM
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2006-10-26 4:05 PM
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Subject: RE: As if the world doesn't hate the US enough as it is.
What makes this news so horrible is the fact it comes a mere 2 years before the olympics. Clearly this is not enough time to ajust your training habits. And another thing, the exposure might be good for the relativly obscure sport of swimming. No college football play complains about 2:30 games in september when its 95 degrees, because thay know exposure is a good thing.


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2006-10-26 4:37 PM
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Subject: RE: As if the world doesn't hate the US enough as it is.
spokes - 2006-10-26 1:48 PM
Renee - 2006-10-26 3:45 PM
Cando - 2006-10-26 4:37 PM

Who cares - we live in a technologically advanced world with interactive shows - I'll tape it and watch it when I get home.

The swimmers care. That's the point. This impacts the athletes.

Swim competitions have a rhythm to them. Prelims in the morning, rest/eat during middle of day, get psyched up for finals at night. It's a ritual. And the NBC dickheads just fugged up the ritual of swimming, big time.

Renee, its not just a slap at swimmers. Its a slap at ALL of the athletes that bust their butts to get to the Olympics, and should have 100% support - whatever it takes - for the sport they're performing to be executed under the best conditions possible. We wouldn't ask archers to shoot in the dark because that's a better time for TV coverage in the US, would we, or have the marathon run at 2:00 pm because that's a better time in the US (I have no idea of time differences when posting this now, I'm just making examples) even though that's the hottest part of the day and would impact the marathon times...

The start was at noon in Athens... I heard the athletes were pissed.  Nothing like afternoon summer heat to run a marathon in. 

2006-10-26 5:28 PM
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I haven't read this whole thread, but I just did read something that says that they also changed rowing for the British and diving for the Australians.

Not just us, folks.

2006-10-26 5:35 PM
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2006-10-26 5:47 PM
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DerekL - 2006-10-26 3:28 PM

I haven't read this whole thread, but I just did read something that says that they also changed rowing for the British and diving for the Australians.

Not just us, folks.

Friggin aussies and poms, always pushing people around with their crumpets and vegemite.  I hate them (except for La Rakusillian )

2006-10-26 5:53 PM
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spokes -

 

Its a corporate fascist plot to force us all to buy cable. So is HD TV. Because all the analog broadcasts that you can pick up by rabbit ears are going away. No more TV for the poor, or those that feel that something that's ADVERTISER SUPPORTED should be free anyway. 

here ya go.  FREE HDTV.  LImited, but free.    But you still need a new tv. 

 



2006-10-27 9:14 AM
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Subject: RE: As if the world doesn't hate the US enough as it is.
Yes the world hates the USA, but they all want to move here.

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2006-10-27 9:15 AM
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Subject: RE: As if the world doesn't hate the US enough as it is.
Anyone who has actually left the US (travelled) knows that the premise is FALSE.
2006-10-27 12:55 PM
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Here's some reaction to the IOC decision (from swiminfo.com). It's not entirely negative, but it is by and large negative. Most of the positive reposnses, not surprisingly are from Americans, but not all of the American responses are positive. And, as I alluded to in the title of the thread, there's a good bit of anti-American sentiment.

Do you Americans really understand how the world sees you when you orchestrate the abysmal decisions? You lot are the pits.Rob, Australia  

It is to be expected that swimming USA would support this decision. Typically American, they think the whole world revolves around them. Just as it has with Iraq, they are now prepared to 'blow up the schedule' just so the sport can be 'showcased on prime time (USA) TV' to quote Chuck [Wielgus]. For Chuck to say we have two years notice is meaningless. How many real opportunities will our swimmers have to get used to the new format? Probably only one Long Course! Their home selection trials! 2007 Worlds will not be changed. I realize we live in a commercial world, but this decision confirms what athletes and coaches have been saying about sports administration for years. It is not about the athlete. It is about money. It is not about sport. It is about money. I can see one positive though. The sponsors and freebies who usually spend all night partying and leave thousands of seats empty every morning hopefully will turn up each morning and we will have a full house! It will be great TV if the stands are empty! What can we do about it? Will the athletes cope? They always do and save the [expletive] of the administrators. Greg, United Arab Emirates

This is an abomination of good sportsmanship. All other countries are able to hold Olympics and keep to the recognized schedule of evening finals. The public from other countries are being considered less worthy than those of America. I don't like the media dictating how competitions should be run. Helen, Australia

Shame! Shame! Shame! to IOC and FINA making a decision based on commercial interests and not those of the athletes or for the good of the sport. Easily see who runs the Olympics. Lyn, Australia

Actually, my feelings are mixed. That television commercial needs obviously were the deciding factor and not the athletes needs is disturbing. However, the fact that this is announced two years in advance should give swimmers worldwide, the opportunity to hopefully participate in some national or international competition with the same time frame schedule for the Olympics as part of the athletes training. This should help in keeping the "playing field level"' Mike, United States

Well, once again the Stars and Stripes are conducting the band with the big bucks. Are the Olympics run by the IOC or Uncle Sam? As our Australian swim team is a group of elite and professional athletes, we know that they will overcome this adversity and once again do Australia proud. Go Australia. Sharon, Australia

I have to agree with Alan Thompson's comment. What gets me cranky is that this was done purely for the money....not for what is good for the sport. Shelly, United States

So you people are shocked that the IOC has made a decision based upon money? It's time to grow up and realize that the IOC is a business, with real expenses and income statements. Have they bent over to accomodate NBC? They sure have. NBC has paid billions of dollars to air the event. Does this benefit the American viewing public? It sure does. Are the athletes being asked to change their schedules? You bet. Remember, this IS a business and the IOC is taking care of their bottom line. Without the dollars created by the American television networks they would not have the money to continue. Don't be mad at the USA that our television networks pay so much for the rights to cover this event. Remember it is an open market and other networks from other countries have the opportunity to bid for the coverage. Some of you may say that your countries do not have the dollars it takes to win the bids. This may be true but that is not the fault of the USA or the IOC. That is no reason to bash the USA. We should all be happy that swimming has become a premium sport...one that viewers actually want to watch. Does this mean we have to make sacrifices? Sure it does, but remember people, that is life and this is the big time.Jeff, United States

2006-10-27 1:02 PM
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Is swiminfo.com the slowtwitch of swimming?


ETA: I added something that I regretted.

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2006-10-27 1:04 PM
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Scout7 - 2006-10-27 2:02 PM Is swiminfo.com the slowtwitch of swimming?

Not at all. It's basically the online version of SwimmingWorld magazine, not a forum. The responses I posted are just e-mails sent to the publisher.

 



2006-10-27 2:19 PM
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My 2 Cents-if anyone cares, The athletes will manage.
There are meets out there without prelims. Anyone at the Olympic level has competed in those. I know this is different, but it's not like they haven't been put in a situation where they have to race with out trial. When I swam, my biggest race was at 8 am in the morn. It just meant that you went to bed earlier and got up earlier.
Besides, I would think that just getting adjusted to the time difference would be the hardest part. Their bodies are already going to be screwed up from that, so adjusting to a morning race is not going to be that difficult.
Lastly, every athlete will be in the same situation. They will train and get ready for the morning finals.

As for me. Keep up the great work NBC! Make sure I get what I want, and spend what you need to get it!
YEAH!
2006-10-27 2:52 PM
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Subject: RE: As if the world doesn't hate the US enough as it is.
This angers me - I'd rather wake up at 5am to watch GOOD swimming, than watch people 0.5sec slower in the day.

As a swimmer, any meet that doesn't have morning prelims / evening finals is just messed, and you just swim slower for some reason.
2006-10-27 3:46 PM
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I say they need to suck it up. Whether they like it or not, olympic athletes and pro athletes alike are essentially in the entertainment industry. I'm sure Micheal Phelps was well compensated for the ads he did in '04. Not to mention the fact that part of being competitive is having the same drive to win no matter the circumstances. Change the time, change the distances, tie their hands and make them swim with no lane lines. Champion athletes shouldn't blink when the program changes. Period. They should shrug it off and go out and kick a$$, not b!tch because they might have to do something differently... whatever the cause.
2006-10-27 3:56 PM
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Bill - 2006-10-27 2:46 PM

I say they need to suck it up. Whether they like it or not, olympic athletes and pro athletes alike are essentially in the entertainment industry. I'm sure Micheal Phelps was well compensated for the ads he did in '04. Not to mention the fact that part of being competitive is having the same drive to win no matter the circumstances. Change the time, change the distances, tie their hands and make them swim with no lane lines. Champion athletes shouldn't blink when the program changes. Period. They should shrug it off and go out and kick a$$, not b!tch because they might have to do something differently... whatever the cause.


Here Here!
2006-10-27 4:37 PM
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Bill - 2006-10-27 4:46 PM  Change the time, change the distances, tie their hands and make them swim with no lane lines. 

OK...I'm takin' your Roo away and making you ride a Huffy. 



2006-10-27 4:53 PM
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OK, had to go look at swiminfo.com.  First, they've got their head up their a$$ referring to "Polo-Diving-Syncro" under one tab.  Polo and diving, maybe.  Polo and syncro together?  swimmers.....

Second, it seems the Canadians won't be whining about morning meets if they lose:

 Pierre Lafontaine, Swimming Canada CEO/National Coach:
Swimming Canada is not necessarily enthused with the International Olympic Committee's (IOC) decision to host the swimming finals in the morning during the 2008 Beijing Championships however now that we have confirmation, we can move forward with the preparation of our athletes.

As a team, we are taking all measures to adapt to this new environment. With 93 weeks, 651 days left before the start of the 2008 Olympic Games, we will continue to follow the plan set out since the IOC's mention of changing the swimming schedule to morning finals. In order to ensure that our athletes are 100 percent ready to face the World, we will continue to bring our best coaches together as well as experts in other fields to make certain that we have the best mechanisms in place for our athletes' preparation. We have approached specialists from other sports that compete in morning finals such as our National rowing program and have gained great insight on how they train.

Also, this change in schedule is a great opportunity for all athletes in the country to understand that swimming fast despite the time of day, is a must in this competitive world of swimming. In the end, I believe that the best swimmers will conquer whether or not they swim finals in the morning or at night.

 

Look at it this way, Phelps can go out and get drunk and drive at night like any normal 23 year old.......

2006-10-27 5:11 PM
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I just can't figure out why anybody would think that other countries air Olympic coverage in the same manner/format as they air here.

I lived in Great Britain during the Torville/Dean dominance and I saw A LOT of figure scating. I had to call my mom up in the US and ask if the US even fielded a team--not a lot of US athlete coverage and not a lot of coverage in sports I expected to see.

I lived in Spain during the Australian olympics and I didn't see much swimming. Rather, I saw tons and tons of team handball (I didn't even know it was a sport), live and reruns, because the King's son-in-law was the team captain. Once again, hardly saw US athletes. I wouldn't be surprised to learn the IOC has made adjustments for other sports popular in other countries.

I understand that it is a sea change for the athletes themselves. I just can't get too worked up about it.
2006-10-27 5:20 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-27 4:37 PM

Bill - 2006-10-27 4:46 PM  Change the time, change the distances, tie their hands and make them swim with no lane lines. 

OK...I'm takin' your Roo away and making you ride a Huffy. 

Word. That's what I'm talking about.

2006-10-27 5:30 PM
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Jim,
It seems like you just enjoy bashing the US and Trashing the President, Vice President ect. Oh well more power to you, but did you notice that your original post was anti US when it was a U.S. owned company that REQUESTED the change of time. It was not demanded it was not forced but I guess you would miss that point it might get in the way of your bashing.

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I am sure I misspelled or mispronounced something feel free to point it out I might learn something.
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