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2007-03-29 12:39 PM

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Subject: Bike shorts over tri shorts for HIM???

OK, this isn't a "what should I wear under my bike shorts" thread.  I know commando is the name of the game.

 HOWEVER..... with a HIM this weekend, and a bit of a saddle sore...... The original plan was to race in tri shorts, with a gel seat cover which provides "some" comfort.  If this thing doesn't resolve by Saturday, though, I was thinking maybe slipping on a pair of bike shorts in T1 over the tri shorts, then losing them in T2. 

No changing tents in a HIM, and I don't mind losing 30 seconds in each transition if it avoids some of the three hour pain fest that is riding on saddle sores.

Thoughts?  Will that cause a worse rash that I'll pay for on the run?



2007-03-29 12:42 PM
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I wonder if it would be easier just to wear bike shorts for the whole deal. I run in mine frequently for my transition runs and shorter bricks. It's not ideal, but I think that would be a better alternative to trying to sort out the seams of your tri shorts under bike shorts.

2007-03-29 1:03 PM
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Sounds like a recipe for all kinds of rubbing the wrong way ... plus, remember the cardinal rule of racing" "Nothing new on race day".

According to your logs, you've been able to bill clock some serious time in the saddle - make one wonder why the continued discomfort?

Perhaps on thing you might want to try in the future (remember, nothing new on race day) is swapping out saddles.  While it sounds counterintuitive, feedback of gel saddles often contain complaints of causing more discomfort in the man region.

Another thing to try is Chamois Butter ... stuff works like magic.

2007-03-29 1:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Bike shorts over tri shorts for HIM???
I think it might be better just to go to the andy gump in the transition area and take off your tri shorts and put on your bike shorts. Then do the same after the bike. You might lose maybe 2 minutes at most.

They had about 5 andy gumps in the transition area. After the swim, I took a dump in one of them, there wasn't a crowd as most people don't use it after the swim. Either that or I was just freaking a slow swimmer.

Just a thought.
2007-03-29 2:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Bike shorts over tri shorts for HIM???
Ride more.  Your butt will get used to the tri shorts.
2007-03-29 2:18 PM
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Thanks for the feedback.  This isn't really an ongoing saddle discomfort issue.  I just have what seems to be a "weak spot" on my skin, that just happens to be located on a place near to where I sit, where the blood cells like to congregate now and again in a rather painful fashion cyst, if you must know .

The weird thing is I haven't ridden since last Sat (and I've been near or over 400 mi per month for a few months) and this thing came on Wednesday,  I really haven't had any of these issues in the last 6 months of riding.

Edit - moved from a PD Tri Stryke saddle to a less padded Arione tri, which I love.  Except now



Edited by ChrisM 2007-03-29 2:19 PM


2007-03-29 2:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Bike shorts over tri shorts for HIM???
Chris,

Taper blues and a saddle sore That's an unfortunate combination.

I think if you feel the bike shorts are going to make the ride significantly more comfortable then I would take the time to either use one of the portapotties to change or do the towel wrap trick.

I would avoid wearing both unless you've done it before as if the seams don't line up just the right way, you could be in for three hours of even more discomfort.

Best of luck - enjoy the race

Shane

2007-03-29 2:19 PM
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Double post...d'oh


Edited by gsmacleod 2007-03-29 2:21 PM
2007-03-29 2:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Bike shorts over tri shorts for HIM???
Make sure to try it before the race though! Believe it or not the extra padding (tri + cycling shorts) will raise your normal saddle to pedal height and even with less 1/2 of cm difference might either cause you discomfort pedaling, some loss in power or worst some sort of knee pain through the run... Good luck!
2007-03-29 2:39 PM
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Just wear your tri shorts.  You won't even notice your butt cause your lungs and legs will be hurting!  trust me on this : )
2007-03-29 2:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Bike shorts over tri shorts for HIM???
ChrisM - 2007-03-29 2:18 PM

Thanks for the feedback.  This isn't really an ongoing saddle discomfort issue.  I just have what seems to be a "weak spot" on my skin, that just happens to be located on a place near to where I sit, where the blood cells like to congregate now and again in a rather painful fashion cyst, if you must know .

The weird thing is I haven't ridden since last Sat (and I've been near or over 400 mi per month for a few months) and this thing came on Wednesday,  I really haven't had any of these issues in the last 6 months of riding.

Edit - moved from a PD Tri Stryke saddle to a less padded Arione tri, which I love.  Except now

Is there any possibility of having it drained before the race?  The relief of the pressure would probably be benificial (I've had those, and I totally know the pain you're in)



2007-03-29 2:48 PM
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Are you sure it is not an ingrown hair?  The constant time in the saddle and pressure of your saddle next to the contact points on your pelvis area can cause it to happen.

How I know, let's just say that I had to really trust that my wife was mad at the time that she drew that sterilized needle up close next to ... well, you get the picture.

2007-03-29 2:50 PM
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Use some chamois butter or vaseline and wear the shorts you are most comfortable in. Also take some pain killers (tylenol) before the race.

Are you sure its not an infected hair follicle?

I have done a HIM and IM in padded bike shorts (yes, I ran in them!) and was not the worse for wear.

Have you been using heat therapy to draw out the cyst? This is gonna sound wierd, but moist heat will help bring it to a head/or help the body absorb the fluids. Increased blood flow.

Put some rice (uncooked) in an old sock and pop it in the microwave for 45 seconds to - 1 minute. WRAP A TOWEL AROUND IT (duh, its really hot) and put it on your boo-boo. do this like 5-6 times a day. (I know at work this might not be able to happen, but maybe at home?)

I had a lot of these last summer and this really helped.
2007-03-29 3:19 PM
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Wow, OK, I've always been a little embarrassed to talk about this because I wasn't sure anyone else ever experienced, and well, it's kinda gross.  So now I have some kindred spirits 

Don't think it's an ingrown hair because, when I get these, it's always in the same spot. 

I actually have a homeopathic remedy that works well in bringing the crap out.  Once the pressure is off, it's less of a problem... but that wasn't working well.  So I did the hot bath /lance deal last night, and it is much better.  I could ride on it the way it is, would just like some additional healing.

Man, it's sorta freeing, being able to talk (write) about it

Edit - was wondering if anyone knew of a topical numbing agent I could use that would last, oh say 3 hours?



Edited by ChrisM 2007-03-29 3:20 PM
2007-03-29 3:33 PM
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Don't be embarrassed. We all get them from time to time. just be glad you don't have to shave your bikini line! LOL

I also used a homeopathic remedy that would bring it to a head. but I had to go to the dermatologist to have mine lanced. Once they were lanced I washed with calendula and tea tree oil soap.

Mine were so bad I had to go on strong antibiotics. I had MRSA bacteria in there.

If you keep getting these something isn;t fitting properly and you need to expirment with it.

And with this I am going for my ride, wish me luck that I come back carbunce free!

Edited by jeanneroth 2007-03-29 3:34 PM
2007-03-29 3:39 PM
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Dude, I've had them so bad that I've had to go under general anesthesia to have one drained.    Thank GOD I was asleep because I don't even want to think about what position they had me in to get at that thing. 



2007-03-29 6:04 PM
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>>Edit - was wondering if anyone knew of a topical numbing agent I could use that would last, oh say 3 hours?

I've used hemorrhoid ointment with some success. It provides some temporary relief, and some protection.

When one first appears, I've found acne medication works well. It dries it out, and if I catch it quick enough it will be gone in a day or two.

The fact that you're getting it in the same spot would indicate something specific irritating it. Saddle (which you've changed), seam in shorts (do you wear the same brand all the time?), and saddle being too high or low are possibilities.

Good luck this weekend.

scott

Edit: BTW, I would not wear bike shorts over tri-shorts. As mentioned, you're asking for more problems. Seat height is now altered, more chaffing opportunities, and frankly the bike chamois is only effective when in direct contact with the skin.


Edited by yaqui 2007-03-29 6:06 PM
2007-03-29 6:54 PM
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maggyruth - 2007-03-29 4:39 PM

Dude, I've had them so bad that I've had to go under general anesthesia to have one drained.    Thank GOD I was asleep because I don't even want to think about what position they had me in to get at that thing. 



DUDE! I had to watch as they did that to my husband with local anesthetic! I got very queasy and had to leave the room, but trust me, you don;t wanna know what you looked like!
2007-03-30 2:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Bike shorts over tri shorts for HIM???
Well, actually if you're in LA, I'm guessing you are doing the Ford 70.3 down south. Your hind end will be so frozen from the water, you won't feel anything other than those frozen stubs that you will try using when moving from the water to the bike.

Seriously, though......do yourself a favor and have a doctor look at the cyst. Wife had one recently. The doctor waited to see if it would clear up.... it didn't and when they lanced it, it was an open wound for several weeks. It had built a puss pocket (sorry everyone) that was quite large. There has been an infection running around that results in a cyst that has been resilient to antibiotics. Better to have it looked at by the doctor.

Have a GREAT race!
2007-03-30 12:30 PM
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Sounds like your sitch has improved & it's tri shorts the whole way.

One more factor leaning in that direction:  how difficult it might be to pull on the bike shorts when you're wet.  Even after a towel-dry, skin holds some moisture that makes it harder to change clothes.

Good luck!  Kick some... well, do well in your race!

2007-03-31 9:21 PM
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With the proper tri shorts and the proper fit, you should not need bike shorts. If you require additional padding get a neoprene seat pad for your saddle.


2007-04-01 3:07 PM
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Cyclingmaniac - 2007-03-30 12:25 AM Well, actually if you're in LA, I'm guessing you are doing the Ford 70.3 down south. Your hind end will be so frozen from the water, you won't feel anything other than those frozen stubs that you will try using when moving from the water to the dance. .........................  Have a GREAT race!

LOL, yup, I got on the dance, and couldn't feel a freaking thing below my waist!  Between that, some Boil Ease (yuck, I know, but it works), and one of Emilio's padded seat covers, all went well cyst wise

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