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2007-07-11 12:46 PM

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coattailing on the foie gras thread, anyone ever eaten shark fin soup?  This is my little public service announcement against this cruel food.

Know how most of it is made?  Sharks are caught, many of them alive, and the fins are cut off.  Estimates are 38 million, perhaps as many as 100 million, per year.  Since fins are worth more than shark meat, the sharks' finless bodies are dumped back into the ocean where, not being able to move (and hence breathe) without fins, they drown.   Or they are consumed by other sharks.

To the US' credit, it is illegal to import fins without a carcass, but as we all know, laws are made to be broken, and frankly, the highest consumers of shark fin soup are in Asia where there are no such laws.

I know sharks - and the myths surrounding them - are discussed a lot on this board.  I've been diving places that should be FULL of sharks, where very few, or none, are even spotted.  Shark populations are declining around the world.  If it continues in this way there may not be any sharks to worry about, that would be disastrous from an ecological as well as moral perspective.



2007-07-11 12:55 PM
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Buttercup
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Despicable.

Why not just eat the whole thing? Looks like a lot of meat on them. You'd still have a declining population of sharks though.

2007-07-11 1:04 PM
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2007-07-11 1:13 PM
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Renee - 2007-07-11 1:55 PM

Despicable.

Why not just eat the whole thing? Looks like a lot of meat on them. You'd still have a declining population of sharks though.



There is and it's tasty I've had it at tapas restaurants.
2007-07-11 1:15 PM
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I have eaten shark, but I've never had shark fin soup. I think overfishing concerns me more than any domesticated animal slaughter.

Using only the shark fins of a shark would be similar, I suppose to using ducks for foie gras, then chucking out the duck and not using the rest of it. That's bad, even worse than force feeding the duck!
2007-07-11 1:16 PM
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What a waste


2007-07-11 1:18 PM
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Master
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i prefer the shark foie gras.
2007-07-11 1:23 PM
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Such a stupid practice.  Wasteful and cruel.
2007-07-11 1:29 PM
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so would it be OK with folks if the fishermen caught the shark and used more of it?

either way, the shark ends up dead... seems like one would either be against all "plundering" of sharks, or not have a problem with it.

although the shark fin thing seems very cruel, I'm not sure why it should bother me more than "normal" fishing... whatever that is.

Should it?  Or at the end of the day, are they the same, as both have the same ultimate result for the shark? 

2007-07-11 1:46 PM
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newLeaf - 2007-07-11 11:29 AM

so would it be OK with folks if the fishermen caught the shark and used more of it?

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They couldn't (and make money).  there is not a high enough demand to sell all the shark meat that comes with the number of fins they take (else they'd be selling it already)

Really?  No difference between slicing off just a fin and letting the shark drown versus catching the shark and using as much meat as possible?  Yes, they both resutl in a dead shark, but there is most certainly a difference.

Personally, I have no problems with hunters or fisherman that catch animals for sustenance (even though unnecessary), and I do eat meat.  I do have a problem with waste and trophy hunters.

2007-07-11 2:31 PM
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There's a line in a Chris Moore book that goes something like "I don't eat sharks. I don't eat them, and they don't eat me."


2007-07-11 2:45 PM
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I think as a people we could learn a lot from the Native Americans who lived here before us. They took no more then what was needed and thanked the animals for their sacrifice. People are so detached from our food these days (including myself) that we really have lost sight of the bigger picture. We have become so self serving as a population I think that things like this will be a big black spot in history when our generation is looked back upon.


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2007-07-11 2:46 PM
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I am not saying I agree with this, but how is it different from normal fishing?   You hook a fish (or shark) pull it up on the boat and it flops around until you club it or it dies from not being able to breate.    Same with the shark finning.    SO is it cruel that the shark is killed, or is it because it is wasted?

 

 

2007-07-11 2:47 PM
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tkbslc - 2007-07-11 3:46 PM

I am not saying I agree with this, but how is it different from normal fishing? You hook a fish (or shark) pull it up on the boat and it flops around until you club it or it dies from not being able to breate. Same with the shark finning. SO is it cruel that the shark is killed, or is it because it is wasted?

that's kind of what I was wondering above.... 

2007-07-11 2:58 PM
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Global - 2007-07-11 3:45 PM I think as a people we could learn a lot from the Native Americans who lived here before us. They took no more then what was needed and thanked the animals for their sacrifice.

I was going to mention this. I think the ritual puts one in touch with the animal's sacrificed life.

I feel guilty when I throw out a chicken breast that I left in the fridge too long. My thought is "This animal gave it's life presumably to feed me. And I'm throwing it in the trash. Not good."

2007-07-11 3:00 PM
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I suspect that if someone decided to make soup out of "Sea Otter Tails" or "Big Horn Sheep Tongue", folks would not be questioning the diferences between fishing and Finning. (A Shark is still something we fear after all)

Pictures of an Otter flopping around in the kelp with no tail to steer him along starving to death over a period of hours would be way too heart wrenching for most folks to watch.

Just as a big horn sheep trying to strip the leaves off of his favorite bush without a tongue would not be any better.

Guess the "Man in the Grey Flannel Suit" does not get any respect.

At least the sight of handless mountain gorillas has curtailed the trade in Ashtray holders here in the states. (Although it is still a problem)



2007-07-11 3:07 PM
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WaterDog66 - 2007-07-11 4:00 PM

I suspect that if someone decided to make soup out of "Sea Otter Tails" or "Big Horn Sheep Tongue", folks would not be questioning the diferences between fishing and Finning. (A Shark is still something we fear after all)

Pictures of an Otter flopping around in the kelp with no tail to steer him along starving to death over a period of hours would be way too heart wrenching for most folks to watch.

Just as a big horn sheep trying to strip the leaves off of his favorite bush without a tongue would not be any better.

Guess the "Man in the Grey Flannel Suit" does not get any respect.

At least the sight of handless mountain gorillas has curtailed the trade in Ashtray holders here in the states. (Although it is still a problem)



I am most concerned about all of the frogs in wheelchairs and homeless cave swifts.
2007-07-11 3:09 PM
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Opus - 2007-07-11 4:07 PM
WaterDog66 - 2007-07-11 4:00 PM

I suspect that if someone decided to make soup out of "Sea Otter Tails" or "Big Horn Sheep Tongue", folks would not be questioning the diferences between fishing and Finning. (A Shark is still something we fear after all)

Pictures of an Otter flopping around in the kelp with no tail to steer him along starving to death over a period of hours would be way too heart wrenching for most folks to watch.

Just as a big horn sheep trying to strip the leaves off of his favorite bush without a tongue would not be any better.

Guess the "Man in the Grey Flannel Suit" does not get any respect.

At least the sight of handless mountain gorillas has curtailed the trade in Ashtray holders here in the states. (Although it is still a problem)

I am most concerned about all of the frogs in wheelchairs and homeless cave swifts.

Although "Bat Eye Soup" is really tasty.  And the cool thing about that is, with the sonar and all, you're really not taking much away from the bat. 

2007-07-11 3:14 PM
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WaterDog66 - 2007-07-11 2:00 PM

I suspect that if someone decided to make soup out of "Sea Otter Tails" or "Big Horn Sheep Tongue", folks would not be questioning the diferences between fishing and Finning. (A Shark is still something we fear after all)

Pictures of an Otter flopping around in the kelp with no tail to steer him along starving to death over a period of hours would be way too heart wrenching for most folks to watch.

Just as a big horn sheep trying to strip the leaves off of his favorite bush without a tongue would not be any better.

Guess the "Man in the Grey Flannel Suit" does not get any respect.

At least the sight of handless mountain gorillas has curtailed the trade in Ashtray holders here in the states. (Although it is still a problem)

The difference is that our current method for killing fish involves pulling them out of the water with a hook or net and letting them flop around until they suffocate.   Already it is a fairly cruel practice.   Finning is not much worse because instead of flopping around on the deck to suffocate, they flop around under water trying to breathe.   Wasteful, yes,  more cruel, I don't know.  

 

 

 

2007-07-11 3:15 PM
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Yeah, not to mention all of those castrated Springboks running around. (Dried and Ground up Springbok testicles are gourmet in some parts of the world)

Hey, at least they don't die right away; Even if they cannot procreate

2007-07-11 3:18 PM
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Wasteful, yes,  more cruel, I don't know.  

In my opinion, it is more cruel precisely because it is wasteful



2007-07-11 3:21 PM
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