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2007-07-12 10:14 AM

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Subject: Frickin' crash fest today!

People are going down left and right and/or getting flats.  At least that is the way it sounds like from the CyclingNews broadcast!

Be interesting to see who survives to fight it out after the last climb.  Kloden went down twice and Vino. once.



2007-07-12 10:24 AM
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The roads look just fine too. What is up with them...

Plus what is up with CSC. I thought it was a general gentleman's rule that you don't push the pace until all GC riders have rejoined. Or am I just mistaken.
2007-07-12 10:28 AM
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Yeah, Vino Dumped pretty hard in the last part of the race and is now trying really hard to get back into the Peloton.

Looked like a team time trial for a while as they went back to pull him up.

At the 10k mark he is still back with the stragglers who had also fallen off the back.

With 5 miles to go, it looks like a pretty tough ride to get back and keep from loosing time. (Especially with his hanging out of the back of his shorts) Has some pretty bad road rash all along his right side.

2007-07-12 10:34 AM
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His team left him... Vino is still not met up with the peloton.

Kloden's f'd with his crash. So who takes the attack now?

Disco was no where to be seen on the cat 2 climb. What is up with that?
2007-07-12 10:38 AM
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Vino did not make it back to the Peloton and lost ~1:20. (He was dragging a lot of sprinters behind him)

2007-07-12 10:46 AM
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Too bad the peloton caught up. It would have been nice to see George Hincapie get the yellow.

Great freaking stage today.


2007-07-12 10:57 AM
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Gotta wait until I get home tonight to see it ....... but it sounded exciting with the last climb and descent.

There's no steadfast "rule" about waiting for contendor's, just courtesy to wait for the yellow jersey if he goes down on a big stage.  Crashing/flatting is part of racing and no one is going to do anyone else any favors if they don't have to.

2007-07-12 11:41 AM
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Is it just me, oor is it a crash fest this tour???

No idea re: stage 5 results, but I gotta admit, I am kinda liking not having a "favorite" in the race.  I also thought it was pretty cool that Cancellara sprinted for the yellow in 3.  We all know he's not gonna win, so he's gonna do what it takes to keep the yellow for a while, but when's the last flast stage the yellow sprinted for the stage win? 

2007-07-12 12:08 PM
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I agree that there has been a higher amount of crashes this year. I can understand why it has been happening at the end almost all the courses have had a sizeable turn in the last km. This only forces people to fight for position.

During the race I have no clue why people are bailing. The speed has not been that high comparing to the last few years and there hasn't been that much bad weather. Who knows.
2007-07-12 12:41 PM
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I think the first week is typically a crash fest.  With all the sprint stages up front there is a lot more chances to crash.

It seemed like Vino got left behind because the peloton was trying to catch the breakaway.  There wasn't time to back off and regroup.

2007-07-12 12:53 PM
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2007-07-12 12:56 PM
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Mike 45 - 2007-07-12 1:41 PM

It seemed like Vino got left behind because the peloton was trying to catch the breakaway.  There wasn't time to back off and regroup.


I think otherwise. Vino hit the deck. Basically all of Astana stopped for him. As a team they tried to pull him back but he couldn't hold pace. They left his a$$ and went back to the peloton to finish with everyone else. It will be interesting to see what happens on Saturday... If Kloden and Vino will be back up and healthy to take on the beginning of the Alps.
2007-07-12 12:58 PM
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spokes - 2007-07-12 1:54 PM

With Vino losing that much time, and if Kloden, who can climb, may be out... does that open the door for Discovery, with George sitting in 5th on the GC? 


Won't he have to service Levi? George is a captain but Levi's the lead.
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2007-07-12 1:15 PM
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spokes - 2007-07-12 2:07 PM

JChristoff - 2007-07-12 10:58 AM
spokes - 2007-07-12 1:54 PM With Vino losing that much time, and if Kloden, who can climb, may be out... does that open the door for Discovery, with George sitting in 5th on the GC?
Won't he have to service Levi? George is a captain but Levi's the lead.

Interesting thought... George is :43 behind, Levi is :15 behind. This early, that's not that big a difference. Even Vino losing 1:20 is not that big a deal with the mountains coming up. 



True it's not the big of a difference. But if Astana loses Kloden their chances takes a huge hit.

Levi did not have a great TT and is not very good at that specialty. George learned a lot of TT from Lance. It will be interesting to see but I really think that George's job is to protect Levi not win. Maybe I'm wrong
2007-07-12 1:59 PM
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Mike 45 - 2007-07-12 1:41 PM

It seemed like Vino got left behind because the peloton was trying to catch the breakaway.  There wasn't time to back off and regroup.


I think otherwise. Vino hit the deck. Basically all of Astana stopped for him. As a team they tried to pull him back but he couldn't hold pace. They left his a$$ and went back to the peloton to finish with everyone else. It will be interesting to see what happens on Saturday... If Kloden and Vino will be back up and healthy to take on the beginning of the Alps.


Actually, it was the other way around. Astana sent 6 riders to help Vino. When they hit the last climb, they couldn't keep up with him. Kloden and Kashechkin stayed with the peloton, probably because they were trying to maintain Kloden's place on GC in case Vino is not able to continue. Or they knew Kloden was injured and would not be able to help Vino much. Kloden and Kashechkin finished with the lead group, Vino was 1:20 down and the next Astana rider was 4:57 down.
2007-07-12 2:04 PM
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JChristoff - 2007-07-12 6:56 PM
Mike 45 - 2007-07-12 1:41 PM It seemed like Vino got left behind because the peloton was trying to catch the breakaway.  There wasn't time to back off and regroup.
I think otherwise. Vino hit the deck. Basically all of Astana stopped for him. As a team they tried to pull him back but he couldn't hold pace. They left his a$$ and went back to the peloton to finish with everyone else. It will be interesting to see what happens on Saturday... If Kloden and Vino will be back up and healthy to take on the beginning of the Alps.

Yes, the whole Astana team except Kloden & Kaschesken (how the hell do you spell that) went back to pace Vino back to the peleton but they didn't leave Vino.  The team just blew up and at about 10k to go Vino had to go on his own, leaving his team disintegrated behind him.  Considering that Astana are supposed to have one of the strongest teams, if not the strongest, they were very easily broken today.  I mean they could only hold the pace for what? 10 - 15k before vino had to go solo.

 

JChristoff - 2007-07-12 7:15 Levi did not have a great TT and is not very good at that specialty. George learned a lot of TT from Lance. It will be interesting to see but I really think that George's job is to protect Levi not win. Maybe I'm wrong

I thought Levi had a great TT.  He was only 6 seconds behind vino, level with Cadel Evans and in front of Valverde, Moreau and Sastre.  The only GC contender to gain significant time on Levi was Kloden who was 23 seconds in front of him.

Levi will still be the #1 for Discovery.  Levi can climb, George can't.



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2007-07-12 2:12 PM
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And another thought.  It's not just the 1'20" that Vino lost today but also the amount of effort that he had to put in to limit his losses.  Thats an extra effort that the other favorites haven't had to put in.  Also his team had to put in a huge effort to help him so they too will be slightly less strong when it comes to the mountains.  We have also seen (and so will the riders) that Astana are not all that strong.  That may give other teams a slight edge in the mountains.

I must say that I am sorry that Vino lost time in such a way. But... Go LeviLaughing

2007-07-12 2:18 PM
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tridantri - 2007-07-12 3:04 PM

Levi will still be the #1 for Discovery.  Levi can climb, George can't.


Stage 15 Tour 2005?? 4 cat 1s and a HC... who won... George.

George has been a great climber but is not always in the lime light cause he rides as support/lead off not as the lead... I do agree that he will have to support Levi.



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tridantri - 2007-07-12 3:12 PM

And another thought.  It's not just the 1'20" that Vino lost today but also the amount of effort that he had to put in to limit his losses.  Thats an extra effort that the other favorites haven't had to put in.  Also his team had to put in a huge effort to help him so they too will be slightly less strong when it comes to the mountains.  We have also seen (and so will the riders) that Astana are not all that strong.  That may give other teams a slight edge in the mountains.

I must say that I am sorry that Vino lost time in such a way. But... Go Levi



I agree, but also add the nice case of road rash on the knees and right glute. I am definately pumped to see who takes the lead in the Alps but who can follow it up in the Pyranees

2007-07-12 2:46 PM
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Nah .... George sucked wheel until the last few hundred meters.  It was his job to protect the jersey, so he went with the other dude (can't remember who it was off the top of my head).

George is a great super-domestique, but he's not a  GC contendor.  Levi is.  Bruyneel hired Levi back to be First Lt. for Basso, same as Llandis and Heras were for Lance.  He is the real GC man on the team.

Don't get me wrong, I like George a lot, but he isn't a Tour winner ........

Valverde, Sastre, Leipheimer, Mareau, etc. are all just sitting pretty in the background waiting for their turn this weekend.  After Sunday we'll know who's in the game or not.

2007-07-12 2:53 PM
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Never said that he was going to be the leader... and completely agree that he will be the standard domestique that Levi will need.

but still if you can ride that course (which was one of the hardest in tour history) and still pull a win. Doesn't matter if your "sucking wheel" you are still in the lead two people and you still pulled off a freaking win. In my mind it still means the dude can climb.

Edited by JChristoff 2007-07-12 2:54 PM
2007-07-12 6:33 PM
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I agree with Rick - Hincapie is a great rider but not a GC winner in a major stage race. Personally I think he is a super domestique, potential stage winner if a good break and even a classics rider but when the hunt is on he does not have the pure climbing skills of Levi, Valverde and the climb specialists like Rasmussen.

I went to sleep before the presentations at the end of the stage... am I the only one that thinks its awesome to see Zabel in green? At 37 (I think I have that right) years of age???

Still waiting for confirmation of the results of the crashes yesterday but it seems to me there are a lot of riders struggling out there. Robbi McEwen has described the last few days as some of his most terrible experiences due to injury, De Gregorio out, Lancaster out (Aussie) due to an injury from the first stage and possibly more to come after yesterday.

Astana did a phenomenal job sending almost the entire team to collect Vino and those boys will have road their hearts out til just Vino was left to get himself home... perosnally I want Vino to make it to Paris... no matter what he always makes compelling viewing!!! (and for some reason I just cant learn to like Kloden)

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