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2007-07-18 4:52 PM

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Subject: carbon fiber bikes

Hello all - I have been looking for new road / tri bike this year and have been told by a number of people that carbon fiber is not a good frame for people over 210 lbs.  One guy told me that Giant did not recommend the frames for 215 and over.  I was wondering if anyone has heard or experienced the same thing.   I weigh 220 and I must say that when I rode the Fuji Team - I could feel the carbon sway.  This was far less on the Specialized Tarmac.

Honestly - my aluminum frame is fine - but the carbon fiber is nicer looking and I am trying to find a reason to get a new bike..just don't want to get one where I am going to have issues.



2007-07-18 5:21 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
I heard something similar when I was bike shopping.  The person I talked to was also a Clydesdale, and he predicted that I wouldn't like the carbon when I rode it due to it not being stiff enough.  He was right - it just wasn't comfortable for me.  Everyone's tastes are different, and you might like the carbon, but go with what feels best under you.  I do have carbon forks, which dampen the road shock substantially compared to my last bike, but that is all the carbon I would want on my frame.  As for manufacturers recommendations, I would probably go by any weight limits they set, just in case.  It's an awfully big investment to make in something that may not hold up.
2007-07-18 5:28 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
I'm glad you asked this question. I seem to be hearing totally different things about carbon fiber. I want to get a cervelo P2C, but I'm having the same questions about carbon fiber.

Some of the contradicting info:

My LBS was afraid to put me on a carbon fiber stem or seat post because I might flex it too much to the point it could fail.
I've read that carbon fiber seat stays offers some comfort and absorb some bumps (flexing?)
But I have read that carbon fiber wheels are much stiffer than spoked wheels.
I have read that carbon fiber is pretty stiff in general.
Specialized has been showing off their new S-works bikes during the Tour de France and they brag about stiffness in their carbon bikes.

As much as I want to pull the trigger on carbon, at 230 lbs (but 210 is my goal) I'm not sure if it is the best choice.

2007-07-18 5:51 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes

Aikidoman - 2007-07-18 4:28 PM I'm glad you asked this question. I seem to be hearing totally different things about carbon fiber. I want to get a cervelo P2C, but I'm having the same questions about carbon fiber. Some of the contradicting info: My LBS was afraid to put me on a carbon fiber stem or seat post because I might flex it too much to the point it could fail. I've read that carbon fiber seat stays offers some comfort and absorb some bumps (flexing?) But I have read that carbon fiber wheels are much stiffer than spoked wheels. I have read that carbon fiber is pretty stiff in general. Specialized has been showing off their new S-works bikes during the Tour de France and they brag about stiffness in their carbon bikes. As much as I want to pull the trigger on carbon, at 230 lbs (but 210 is my goal) I'm not sure if it is the best choice.

I actually bought the specialized tarmac but took it back - I put it on my trainer to do spinervals and could feel the flexing - It concerned me enough to return the bike. With that said - it seemed to be pretty stiff on the road.  Like I said before - the Fuji felt like I could break it in half.  The Giant was also a fairly stiff frame but I was put off by the "weight limit"  The bike I would like to try is the Kuota but my guess is that since it is made in Italy that it probably is geared towards a lighter rider..I could be wrong though.

2007-07-18 6:00 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes

 I own a Trek Pilot 5.2  all carbon bike. I tend to weigh in at 220-230. All bikes flex, and carbon more than most by design. I have never heard of a weight issue on the carbon bikes and have been on carbon bikes since the begging. I still own a Trek 2300 from the late 80's and it sits on my trainer. I will admit that due to 20 years of use, it has started to weaken in the bottom bracket and now ghost shifts on hills. This is why I now have it on the trainer only. The 2300 is an aluminum lug and cabon tube frame, and it never failed me. That is why I went back to all carbon.

Mind you, I race for a reason to train, and comfort on 4+ hour rides was very important to me. Good luck on you shopping , and hope you love what you end up getting.

2007-07-19 6:53 AM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes

I ride an Argon 18 Mercury and love it.  The fork and rear triangle are carbon, the front triangle is aluminum.  I'm used to riding steel frames and the Mercury feels pretty similar.  There is very little flex compared to the all carbon bikes I have ridden.

I have been riding it for about a year now at 216-220lbs depending on the point in the season.

I bought it primarily as a means to stay comfortable in Aero over the long haul and it totally delivers.

There are pics in my album if you want to check it out.



2007-07-19 7:19 AM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes

The material from which a bike is made actually has less bearing on how a bike rides than the design of the frame.

 

2007-07-19 7:20 AM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
I've got an Orbea Onix, and I've rode it at the 217 lb weight limit.  No problems.
2007-07-19 8:28 AM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
When I was intially looking for an upgrade from my entry level bike, I had a few bike shops tell me that I had to go with aluminum because of my weight and that carbon would be an issue with me. I only had one bike shop tell me that I wouldn't have an issue and when I went on a test ride, I fell in love. Basically, I ended up with the carbon bike and I weigh between 230lbs and 240lbs. I've had that bike for over a year and I have had no issues whatsoever. The most important thing is comfort and will the bike get you from point A to point B.
2007-07-19 9:22 AM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes

I bought a Kestrel Talon back in 2000 and being riding it for over 7 years. Used to have an aluminum bike, and this Kestrel just felt a heck of a lot better. Old bike was a Bridgestone T-4000 back from the 80's. When I switch to this Kestrel, felt like I graduated to a Ferrari and my old bike was a Hundaii. Big diffference. Acceleration, stiffness, etc.... all the best. I love this bike, and wouldn't trade it in for anything else.

Oh yes, until now I was heave. Last year I weighted 298lbs at 6'00" tall. Quiet heavy. Now at 239.4lbs, and it even feels better. Just had myself professionally fitted, and riding even faster. Just see my logs. Between 19-22 mph averages over 1hr courses. Slowly working on fitness to ride a lot faster. Would like to average 24+ down the road.

Wheels have been the same, one time investment for a pair of HED 3's. Been riding them since 2000 also. Great bike with good wheels. All carbon, and fits and works great.

All depends upond the shop you go too. Too many of them are owned and ran by those little 120 lbs, and they just don't understand our issues.

2007-07-19 9:26 AM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
Aegis seems like a pretty solid bike and they do offer them in clydes/athena setups. I think their pricing seems pretty competitive. I plan on making an Aegis my next purchase.

from the aegis website.
How long does a special order take?
A special order takes 3-4 days (yes, this used to say weeks... but, we can now usually get a special order out of the factory in less than 5 business days). Custom lay-ups, such as Clydesdale/Athena versions may take longer.

If you check their site http://www.aegisbicycles.com/home.htmlyou can find a dealer and see.

Ibis has a good article about carbon fiber here: http://www.ibiscycles.com/tech/technology/

Kestrel has some great information here about how strong carbon is here:http://www.kestrel-usa.com/technology/carbon.php

In a nutshell from the kestrel article - Carbon's stiffness trumps other frame materials, hands down. Our 700k material has a stiffness (modulus) of 33.4 million pounds/square inch, and the 800k carbon fiber we use is 42.7msi. (Chrome-moly steel, the stiffest metal used in bicycle frames, comes in at 29.7 msi, 3Al/2.5V titanium is 14.5 msi, 6Al/4V titanium is 16.5 msi, while 6061-T6 and 7075-T6 aluminum are 10.0 and 10.4 msi, respectively.)

So the guy at the LBS who told you aluminum is stronger than carbon might need to catch up on a little reading. It certainly depends on the contruction process as indicated in the Ibis article but you should have no trouble finding a carbon frame that works for you.


2007-07-19 10:21 AM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
I got a Schwinn Peleton road bike a month and a half or so and have had no problems with it at all. It is their first full carbon frame and it seems that they did a great job in the stiffness for the larger man department.
2007-07-19 12:48 PM
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Before I bought my bike (Trek Pilot 5.0) I talked to my LBS about the weight issue.  He in turn spoke with the Trek rep who said he wouldn't be concerned at all until about 400#.  He said yes that it would give more but that is what it was meant to do.

That's just my experience.

2007-07-19 1:18 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
Upgraded my aluminum bike to a Lamond Zurich full carbon at my LBS. Love the frame, very comfortable, and the geometry is perfect for my 6'2 frame. I weigh 230. The only thing I have ever been warned about is titanium pedals...they are maxed out at 190 or something like that.
2007-07-20 5:47 AM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
I had the same problem. In fact, I even posted a threat on BT-Too Fat for a Bike!
I had bought a Wilier at the place where I train. It felt very flimsy under me and was scared to death to brake. I asked them to call the company (I'm sure this is the first time this issue has come up) and sure enough, I exceeded the weight limit. Test drove a Serotta steel frame bike and felt like there was something there! The difference of about one pound heavier (maybe I could, gasp, lose a pound or two to make it up), and the feel of the steel was signficant.
I am awaiting my custom frame and will post a photo when it arrives. I even got my name on it (noone has my body type so couldn't resell it).
Glad to hear others with the same issues. I was very depressed thinking I was too fat for a bike. My current bike is aluminum. A tank.
2007-07-21 9:19 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
It depends on how much flex they put in the carbon when they make it as to how stiff it will be. The weight limits I would guess are more about the flex than the point of failure.


2007-07-22 11:02 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes

I am in the market for a new bike myself and have been concerned about the impact my weight would have on an all carbon frame. My LBS have said that although I wouldn't break an all carbon frame the stiffness might be better achieved through a composite solution.

I have since discovered the GIANT Alliance A0 and I believe that it would be a good solution. It is an Alloy / Carbon composite but not the traditional carbon rear triangle and fork arrangement. It has carbon seat stays, top tube and forks with everything else being alloy. By all accounts it is a good solution for the bigger rider; and more cost-effective too.

http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-US/bikes/road/3/11458/

2007-08-01 4:46 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
Going to revive this thread for a sec.

I just got back from a PROPER fitting from my LBS and when it was over, I posed the question of the all carbon frame for Clydesdales.

I told him that I was 230lbs and he said anything on the market (frames, components, wheels) except for some of the super light stuff would be fine for someone at 230.

He only would worry about things if the person was over 280lbs. THEN he was more concerned about the seatpots clamp strength rather than the frame itself.

Nice to know the market is open to most clydes per my LBS.

2007-08-16 2:38 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
ride_like_u_stole_it - 2007-07-19 8:19 AM

The material from which a bike is made actually has less bearing on how a bike rides than the design of the frame.

 



This is the voice of reason. It's absolutely true. I don't know how the myth of "Al is harsh" "Steel is whippy" and "Carbon is delicate" came to be.

The truth is: Geometry, tubing design and frame angles are a much bigger factor than material in how a bike rides and handles. Fit also determines ride quality in that, if your weight distribution is wrong, the harsh ride isn't becoase of Al vs CF, it's bike fit.

FWIW: I ride a LOOK road bike and weigh 230. No flex to speak of. It acceleerates like a rocket and puts every erg of energy into forward motion. An awesome machine. I test rode a Tarmac last month and loved that bike too.

Get to a bike shop which isn't "selling" you what they're pushing and get to one which will get the best bike for your type of riding, size and budget.
2007-08-16 3:56 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
man still no carbon bike for me. Hopely that will change soon.

I thought about titatium if I have to get custom because I like the idea of a bike frame I never need to replace.
2007-08-16 8:41 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
I have a Giant Alliance OCR A0 and LOVE it. Definitely one of the stiffest bikes I've ever ridden, but it's a really comfy ride as well. When I put the "meat" to the pedals it wants to zoom - too bad the engine is lacking a little in that department. Still, it's really comfy riding on our crap Pennsyltucky roads. It's a matter of how bright the materials engineer is that designs the layup. Carbon fiber is an amazing material - especially when it's used smartly. The only change I made, since it has a compact crank, was to swap out the stock cassette for an 11-21 - although when I do big hill days I wuss out and put the 12-25 back on...

-Frank

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2007-08-17 12:28 AM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes

scuba-punk - 2007-08-17 12:41 PM I have a Giant Alliance OCR A0 and LOVE it. Definitely one of the stiffest bikes I've ever ridden, but it's a really comfy ride as well. 

That's great to hear Frank as that is the exact bike I am looking at getting.

2007-08-19 7:52 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes

I am 212lbs and have a Cervelo p2c in a 61cm.  I have had 0 problems with the bike not being stiff enough.  Also, my buddy weighs 225 or 230 and has a p3carbon without a problem.

 When I bought my first bike my buddy told me to stay away from carbon bikes as well.  I think it is bike envy because he didnt want me to ride something better than him

2007-08-19 8:33 PM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes
I am fairly new to the Triathlon scene but have ridden bikes for about 10 years now.  I have a 2006 Felt F4C and I weigh between 225 - 235 depending on the time of the year.  I put in around 200 miles a week and over the last 18 months this bike has been outstanding.  Rides smooth as silk and power delivery is seamless.  I would not be to concerned with carbon fiber unless you are pushing the 350 - 400 range.  Good luck with your purchase and I am sure you won't be disappointed.
2007-08-23 3:19 AM
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Subject: RE: carbon fiber bikes

I've had my LOOK KG 479 for a couple of years now and had no issues whatsoever.  It's much stiffer than my old Trek 1220.  I've tipped the scales anywhere from 225-245 while I've owned it.

I say, if you can afford it and it fits, get whatever you want.

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