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2007-08-06 11:36 AM

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Subject: IM feet gain
I was looking at the racermate site which had courses and there elevation gains. I was wondering if they are accurate.

IMAZ - 713.28
IMFL - 1594.97
IMCDA - 2691.52
IMKona - 2745.59
IMLP - 3141.75
IMWI - 4769.21

and craziness is silverman really
9721.72

I thought Kona was suppose to be hilly but does not sound many more hilly than the Spirit of Racine if you did the bike 2x.


2007-08-06 11:54 AM
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The gains at WI are greater than LP???
2007-08-06 11:57 AM
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MUL98 - 2007-08-06 11:54 AM

The gains at WI are greater than LP???


Very few flat sections at WI..just up and down all freaking day.

Re Hawaii...Kona is known for the cross winds more than hills.
2007-08-06 12:31 PM
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That is only for one loop of the LP course.  Be careful to look at the distances for the courses you find on the CT site.  Some are just portions of the courses.  Not fun to ride a full 112 mi on a computrainer ;-)

That number for WI does not match what I have.  I have the DeLorme TopoUSA software used to created Computrainer 3D courses, and I have the IMWI course constructed.  I come up with 6053 feet for IMWI (1245 for the Madison-Verona-Madison out/back section, plus 2 times 2404 feet for each loop).  Note, mine is the old course before they changed a small portion of it around Verona, but the change they made didn't involve any significant elevation changes.

I don't have the LP course constructed so I can't validate the number.  But, I do recall building the LP course a few years ago, and I seem to recall it came out to 7800 ft.

But, I've heard from folks who've ridden each of these courses with GPS and they always seem to come up with numbers smaller than DeLorme's software says. 

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2007-08-06 1:01 PM
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FWIW, I Garmined MOO at 6761 feet o climbing on Sat having gone from Olin Park to Monona Terrace then hitting the course and ending at Olin Park, so not an exact measurement but you get the gist.

http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/3553634

That file doesnt include the 1.25 that Mr Dumbazz rode with the computer in run mode just as an FYI.

2007-08-06 1:28 PM
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I know IMAZ is known for its winds also. That was the interesting thing about watching IMKONA on tv was watching the people in the wind.

aero does not help with cross winds either. I wonder if being a bigger guy helps in finishing kona since well you can not fly off the road so easy.


2007-08-06 2:18 PM
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chirunner134 - 2007-08-06 1:28 PM

I know IMAZ is known for its winds also. That was the interesting thing about watching IMKONA on tv was watching the people in the wind.

aero does not help with cross winds either. I wonder if being a bigger guy helps in finishing kona since well you can not fly off the road so easy.


As long as you have forward motion, aero alawys works regardless of cross winds. Being bigger presents more surface aerea for that cross wind to push against, as it does coming from the front, so being big is always less aero and advantagous unless the entire course is downhill .
2007-08-07 10:15 PM
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chirunner134 - 2007-08-06 9:36 AM I was looking at the racermate site which had courses and there elevation gains. I was wondering if they are accurate. IMAZ - 713.28 IMFL - 1594.97 IMCDA - 2691.52 IMKona - 2745.59 IMLP - 3141.75 IMWI - 4769.21 and craziness is silverman really 9721.72 I thought Kona was suppose to be hilly but does not sound many more hilly than the Spirit of Racine if you did the bike 2x.

I don't think those are net gain, I believe that is the amount of climibing. Silverman's net gain is way less than that, not positive but at the lake it's about 1,100 ft and at the finish it's about 2,200 ft elevation, and yeah there are a few hills in between.

2007-08-07 10:31 PM
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well I am talking about how much climbing you have to do. Net gain is not that is important unless its a huge difference. Typically there is no net gain in tris. but its the hills inbetween that count. Sure you get to go down them but if you can not make it up them then what is the point.
2007-08-07 10:33 PM
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atleast with the hills though you know what to expect and can simulate with the computrainer but wind is so unpredictible and can not really train with on the trainer.
2007-08-08 7:23 AM
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Net gain is zero for races that start and end in the same area.

Even if you're talking about the amount of climbing in each race, some of those numbers are off.  I was looking up the CDA info on climbing, and the consensus seems to be between 5-6000 feet of climbing for the entire 112 miles.  The info posted might only be for each loop.



2007-08-08 8:06 AM
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yeah derek I ment how much climbing net gain really does not matter like you said it tend to be 0. its what its between that matters.
2007-08-08 8:13 AM
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chirunner134 - 2007-08-06 9:36 AM I was looking at the racermate site which had courses and there elevation gains. I was wondering if they are accurate. IMAZ - 713.28 IMFL - 1594.97 IMCDA - 2691.52 IMKona - 2745.59 IMLP - 3141.75 IMWI - 4769.21 and craziness is silverman really 9721.72 I thought Kona was suppose to be hilly but does not sound many more hilly than the Spirit of Racine if you did the bike 2x.

I was just looking at what you had wrote. FYI Silverman does have a NET GAIN somewhere around 1,000 ft.  and increasing every week.

2007-08-08 9:14 AM
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yeah maybe it does but the 9,700 ft climbing inbetween is what would worry me.
2007-08-10 6:09 AM
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6700'!!! HOLY CRAP!!! I need to make tomorrow's ride a 120+ with more hills. 29 days and I just now find out about 6700'!! I can oficially start freaking out! Thanks jszat!!

NUTRITION, NUTRITION, NUTRITION!!! What it's all going to boil down to!!!

2007-08-10 6:45 AM
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I've looked at GPS logs from other people's rides as well as numbers from the online mapping tools.

IMLP should have just over 7,000 feet of climbing.



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2007-08-10 6:31 PM
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DerekL - 2007-08-08 6:23 AM

Net gain is zero for races that start and end in the same area.





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2007-08-10 6:34 PM
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It apparently has to be pointed out for some folks.

2007-08-10 8:51 PM
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Just so I understand, the feet gain is all the distance you end up climbing over the course of the bike ride correct?
2007-08-11 8:46 AM
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Yep.

Biseman - 2007-08-10 8:51 PM Just so I understand, the feet gain is all the distance you end up climbing over the course of the bike ride correct?

2007-08-11 8:39 PM
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DerekL - 2007-08-10 5:34 PM

It apparently has to be pointed out for some folks.

OK , fair enough.

 



2007-08-12 9:05 AM
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Subject: RE: IM feet gain
yeah yeah yeah I know I messed up. remember if a race is a start/finsh race you never will gain 1 foot but if its a point to point then it becomes and issue.

I would rather have 500 ft of gain being the only climbing on the course than have 2000 feets of rollers and end up where I started/

The subject really should be feet of climb
2007-08-12 8:34 PM
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WOOF!! My run today was 19.5 miles, 1900' of climbing with a NET ASCENT of 625'!! OUCH!!! It felt like it was all up or down with no flat!! Damn that was hard. The only good thing was that it ended at a lake and the cool down swim was tremendous!!

This after 113 miles on the bike in 5:19 yesterday!! I'm ready to taper!!! 27 days, 10 hrs and 27 minutes!!!!

2007-08-18 9:40 AM
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I just rout tracked the course for IMWI and it's 3700'!!! NOT the 6700' that I have been stressing about for the last week!!!


Edited by rstocks3 2007-08-18 10:06 AM
2007-08-18 9:51 AM
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rstocks3 - 2007-08-18 9:40 AM

I just rout tracked the course for IMWI and it's 3700'!!! NOT 6700' that I have been stressing about for the last week!!!


3700 is not bad then. much better than I thought
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