NA Sports Entry Process
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2007-09-28 7:09 AM |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: NA Sports Entry Process
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2007-09-28 1:45 PM in reply to: #982482 |
Elite 2863 | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process If Independent race directors were smart they'd brace for the NA-Sports overflow and ride this ultra-distance wave. Many of the Indie races are well done....but more needs to be done to draw athletes away from the NA branded races.
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2007-09-28 2:00 PM in reply to: #982482 |
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2007-09-28 3:05 PM in reply to: #983159 |
Champion 6539 South Jersey | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process I hear ya PennState. I expect be at IMWI '08 so I can register for '09. I mean, going to the race is awesome, but the 14-hr drive plus hotel, or airare plus hotel, just to spend another $500 to register is asking a lot...especially after all the $$ dropped on IMLP two months prior. I just hope we don't end up getting a lot of people who register for the following year the day before their IM, but then never go online and "officially" register. I mean do they ever open up more slots to account for unclaimed vouchers? I am sure quite a few people change their minds within that month they have to go online and claim their voucher. |
2007-09-28 3:52 PM in reply to: #982482 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process I agree that to make sure you can register it means getting to the location the year before to register in person which adds a lot of expense and time for the race. I haven't added up what it cost us to go up to IMLP for the weekend, ride the course, cheer our friends on and register. It will be easier to get the voucher for the same race the day before since you are already there instead of say doing a different IM which means another trip like what you are planning on doing Lauren...IMWI '09. I too wonder how many folks pick up vouchers but never officially register. Then there are those who so badly want to register but miss the on-line registration window. I think it is probably a numbers game that they know so many get voucher; certain % then register; then of those that register only a certain % actually show up to race due to injuries or other issues. I wonder what those percentages are. Having those racing one year register the day before the race, I wonder if the % that will actually will register will go up or down? For me the idea of waiting in line the next day after an IM for 2-3 hours is scary...who knows if you can walk well. Most of the folks waiting in line that had done the race looked like they were doing okay. |
2007-09-28 4:29 PM in reply to: #983276 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process I would think that just from a business perspective they would figure in the no-show rate.. just like an airline, gym or resturant... I'm sure they have a "math guy" that knows x% are going to be no shows and they overbook.. plus they get the extra money since if I remember correctly there are no refunds know I'm interested in the no show rate, as well as the reasons ratio of repeat IM'ers was it a +/- reason with negative being poor race, did not finish, etc. and positvie reason KQ qualify, loved the course etc. If people are signing up the a couple of days before the race will more people sign up, just in case they have a poor race and want to make sure they come back to avenge themselfs, then if they do finish or meet their goals will they now be a no show the next year. and since they are not putting up the money before hand [correct?] just getting a voucher will that lead to more people registering.. oh the life of a math geek |
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2007-09-29 11:28 AM in reply to: #983438 |
Champion 6539 South Jersey | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process Gary, you are correct. You pick up a voucher, and then like 3 weeks later, they open up a 3- to 4-week window of time in which you go online and register for real (using your voucher number). When you go online, that's when you pay. So, essentially, you pick up a voucher but have like 6 weeks to decide if you really want to register or not. |
2007-09-29 1:36 PM in reply to: #982482 |
Extreme Veteran 474 West Chester, PA | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process This is going to change alot of peoples plans. I would not be suprised that they start having qualfing times inorder to register just like the boston marathon. |
2007-09-29 2:18 PM in reply to: #983920 |
Champion 9430 No excuses! | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process magik611 - 2007-09-29 2:36 PM This is going to change alot of peoples plans. I would not be suprised that they start having qualfing times inorder to register just like the boston marathon. Not sure they would go to that extent seeing that is not what the original idea of the ironman was. It was a common mans race. Should become really interesting over the next few years as the demand is there to add more races but as earlier threads have said, the Kona spots would have to get fewer and fewer. I did Redman Iron Distance last weekend and there was only 120+ finishers. So "the brand" is doing something right that the independants are missing out on. |
2007-09-29 2:20 PM in reply to: #982482 |
Extreme Veteran 474 West Chester, PA | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process People do it because it is a true ironman event.......there are many iron distances races but with the ironman races you are a true ironman |
2007-09-29 2:37 PM in reply to: #983941 |
Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process magik611 - 2007-09-29 12:20 PM People do it because it is a true ironman event.......there are many iron distances races but with the ironman races you are a true ironman In short, NO. WTC owns the "Ironman" trademark and brand and gets to license the name as they see fit. So non-WTC events are called "Iron distance" or "full distance" events to avoid infringement. At a 2000+ person WTC event, I would estimate that probably 1800+ know that, and probably <20 where the trademarked name had anything to do with their choice. The other 1980+ people choose the event for other reasons, like location, or quality of the event, or timing. People do WTC events because they put on a great event. If their events started to suck, people would leave. People vote with their feet and their wallets. Edited by brucemorgan 2007-09-29 2:38 PM |
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2007-09-29 2:42 PM in reply to: #982482 |
Extreme Veteran 474 West Chester, PA | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process i know all about the other iron distances but people want to do an ironman event. I personally know someone who is going to kona 25 years in a row.... |
2007-09-29 2:50 PM in reply to: #983953 |
Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process magik611 - 2007-09-29 12:42 PM i know all about the other iron distances but people want to do an ironman event. I personally know someone who is going to kona 25 years in a row.... You said two things in your post. First, you said people want to do a "true Ironman event". I agree, people like to do WTC Ironman events. I think it's because WTC puts on a great event. Second, you said "with the ironman races you are a true ironman". I think that's just bunk, to put it mildly. Anyone who finishes 2.4 swim, 112 bike, 26.2 run is an Ironman, whether or not WTC licensed the trademark to the event organizers. BTW, did you happen to catch the flak in Triathlete where some letter write claimed only people who finished in Kona are worthy of the name "Ironman"? Even worse bunk... Edited by brucemorgan 2007-09-29 2:51 PM |
2007-09-29 2:54 PM in reply to: #983956 |
Champion 9430 No excuses! | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process BTW, did you happen to catch the flak in Triathlete where some letter write claimed only people who finished in Kona are worthy of the name "Ironman"? Even worse bunk... Did you see the next issue with all the hate mail towards that guy? |
2007-09-29 2:59 PM in reply to: #982482 |
Extreme Veteran 474 West Chester, PA | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process i think all iron distaces are great it is a shame that they can't have more ironman races.... |
2007-09-29 4:29 PM in reply to: #982482 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process The non Ironman brand Iron distance races, I really thought I'd do one first. I'm not a big crowd kind of person. I dislike Disney World..the idea of a large cruise ship does not excite me...but 25 folks on a small cramped sailboat in Greece all who speak German that is my kind of vacation...we did that for our 20th...rode bikes on the Greek Islands...the idea of doing a huge event isn't one I'd jump up and down and say I want to do that. I did sign up for an Ironman event for my first (IMLP '08) ...it is so about the money....everything costs...and costs a lot from entry fee, to pictures, to finisher gear, or anything that says IM; to banquets & everything. I'm not sure if I'll ever do another so the experience aspect and being able to get those cool things, and the crowds and support was impressive when I watched two different Ironman brand IM races. I'm not sure how I'll feel after I do one...cost is huge. Doing an Iron Distance race where you can train; sign up a month before the race for $250 if you are injury free; and have a great race is appealing and financially less risky. |
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2007-09-29 9:06 PM in reply to: #983374 |
Expert 957 | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process KathyG - 2007-09-28 4:52 PM For me the idea of waiting in line the next day after an IM for 2-3 hours is scary...who knows if you can walk well. Most of the folks waiting in line that had done the race looked like they were doing okay. Well, I though I was doing okay (other than the usual post-race muscle soreness) while waiting on the 2008 registration line, until I started to feel a bit, uh lightheaded, for a bit. Thankfully, that feeling soon went away before anything happened that day. But as I found out earlier this month, the reason for feeling like I was going to pass out was not due to the stress of Ironman, but something else entirely (basically standing in one place for a while probably isn't the best idea for me not that there's anything wrong regarding my health).
But there's something about getting up at 7:45 after not getting back to the hotel until 12:30? 1AM? after finishing an Ironman, so one has enough time to get 1st breakfast, pick up special needs bags, and get to registration a little after 9 to wait on line for 2 hours. So I personally really like this change. |
2007-09-30 10:38 AM in reply to: #984187 |
Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process Some of you might have missed this part: Entry Process for North America Sports Events Athletes entered in the event for the current year will be allowed to register for the next year’s event the DAY BEFORE the current event. You don't need to stand in line the day after you've raced the event - you can register the day before. It does look like they're going to make you pay on-site, since they're opening to general registration right after on-site is over. In IMC, you registered in person but didn't have to pay for a month so it was non-bnding. Edited by brucemorgan 2007-09-30 10:40 AM |
2007-09-30 5:40 PM in reply to: #983920 |
Extreme Veteran 494 | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process I've volunteered for IMFL this year so I can register the day after the race. Do you have to pay for registration that day, or do you pay when you go online with the voucher? |
2007-09-30 6:00 PM in reply to: #984568 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process suffer78 - 2007-09-30 6:40 PM I've volunteered for IMFL this year so I can register the day after the race. Do you have to pay for registration that day, or do you pay when you go online with the voucher? At IMLP you stood in line for a voucher. They took your name and some general information and ripped off the voucher and gave it to you. It had a link and dates that you could go on-line to Active and officially register...I think it was about 2 weeks later and open for 4 weeks. You went on-line with your voucher number and found your name on the list. My name was not there originally as they had entered Graves with the G as two other letters. I made a call to active who was in contact with NA Sports and within 24 hours my name was listed correctly and I could register. So no you pay later. Edited by KathyG 2007-09-30 6:00 PM |
2007-09-30 8:51 PM in reply to: #984586 |
Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process KathyG - 2007-09-30 4:00 PM suffer78 - 2007-09-30 6:40 PM I've volunteered for IMFL this year so I can register the day after the race. Do you have to pay for registration that day, or do you pay when you go online with the voucher? At IMLP you stood in line for a voucher. They took your name and some general information and ripped off the voucher and gave it to you. It had a link and dates that you could go on-line to Active and officially register...I think it was about 2 weeks later and open for 4 weeks. You went on-line with your voucher number and found your name on the list. My name was not there originally as they had entered Graves with the G as two other letters. I made a call to active who was in contact with NA Sports and within 24 hours my name was listed correctly and I could register. So no you pay later. At IMC, you paid later and after that deadline passed, they opened general registration. The mail from NA Sports said that now you'll register from 9am to 11am, and at noon they open to general registration. I don't quite know what to make of that. Does that mean you pay from 9am to 11am, or on-site does voucher / pay later registrations and online general registration pays immediately, or what? I don't know.. |
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2007-09-30 9:59 PM in reply to: #984736 |
Extreme Veteran 470 Madison, WI | Subject: RE: NA Sports Entry Process I worked IMWI 08 registration this year after the race... Here's what I know from that, but it might change going forward... Though reg was supposed to start at 9am, they started at 8am due to over 500+ people being in line in the the rain. They used the voucher process. I believe they entered the info from the Vouchers into their system during the reg period when they collected forms periodically. I believe they had a rough estimate of the number of slots left after vouchers when Active.com registration opened. Also, approximately 300 people registered for the event prior. However, most of the people I know who did the race (07) waited to register. The whole superstition thing... I worked the door so I met people from all over the US who came in to town just to register. Good Luck! |