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2007-10-01 10:50 PM

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Subject: Has anyone dramatically improved their run speed?

I guess I'm looking for a little motivation...

Since joining this site earlier this year, my biggest goal has been weight loss.  And that's been going pretty well actually -- I've lost 30 pounds so far.  But my next biggest goal is to become a decent runner (and after that, a decent triathlete).  Of course "decent" means different things to different people.  For me, it would mean jogging an 8 or 9 minute mile, and being able to hold that pace over a long distance (e.g., a half or full marathon).

Right now, I'm very much a beginner still -- the furthest I've jogged (without walking breaks) is 0.6 miles, though I hope to break that elusive mile-mark soon.  My pace, however, is slow.  With walking thrown in, I'm around 14:30 to 15:00 per mile.  When actually jogging, my pace hovers around 12:30.

So, is it possible to improve from a 15:00 walk/run pace to a 9:00 run pace?  Has anyone here made such a big improvement? 



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2007-10-01 11:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Has anyone dramatically improved their run speed?
Yeah- you can DEFINITELY do it.
In three years I dropped 10min off my 5k time, which amounts to 3:20min+ per mile at a race pace.
I guess what I would say is that you can get there, but it will take a long time, and a lot of hard work. There is really no technique to it, just run A TON, and slowly, but surely, you will get better. Losing that weight will definitely help too. Part of my improvement was due to losing about 20lbs.
2007-10-01 11:49 PM
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In July 2005, I was "running" (really, jog-walking) at a 8:30 min/km pace (around a 13:45 min/mile).  Two years later, I'm running at a 6:00 min/km pace (approx 9:40 min/mile). 

I didn't really do a full 10 mins of running in one stretch until last spring... so I know where you're at.

It's frustrating, but you'll get there. Just keep plodding at it.  



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Yes, you can do it.  And likely within 6-7 months.  But much of it will depend on your willingness to work and train smart.

To let you know I went from hardly running in January 2006 to running a sub 30 5K (26:50) in the beginning of Aug 2006.  I likely could have done that sooner had I actually run more in May, June and July.

Part of it is listening to your body, and pushing when you feel good and resting when you need to rest.  You can always run the Gallaway method of running, which is basically running 10 minutes walking 1.  There are people that actually run marathons doing that and will run the marathon in sub 4 hours.

I would start out using the couch to 5K plan, then follow that up with additional running based on either a runnersworld.com plan 12-20 weeks, or pick out a plan from here.

2007-10-02 12:09 AM
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Keep at it. If possible, try to run on some softer surfaces like grass or sand. You will have no problem going from 15min pace to 9min pace, BUT it will take time. In the meantime, try not to injure yourself. In the 15 months I have been running, I have had one injury or another for about 11 months.

Biking would really help with both weight loss and 5k pace. It would also strengthen your legs, and help keep you injury free as you would spend a little less time pounding pavement.
2007-10-02 1:49 AM
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I went from running a 13min/mile in April of this year, to a 10min/mile now, and I haven' tbeen running particularly consistently. Just keep at it, and you will get there!


2007-10-02 2:07 AM
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Subject: RE: Has anyone dramatically improved their run speed?
Hmm...I started running (mixed with walking) as part of weight loss regimen at age 44 and the first attempt at a mile I was up around 10 min. That was early 2005, I think. By Oct. 2006, I ran a 5:50 mile in a 4x1 mile relay event...so call it, say, a 4 min drop in one-mile time in about 18 months or so.

But my general training pace only dropped from around 9:30/mi. in mid-2005 when I started running at least 1-3 mi. a day to around 8:00-8:45/mi. now. So it depends on how you're looking at things. What really increased for me was volume--I was up to over 40 miles/wk at the end of '06 when I started to cross-train on the bike...that's up from about 12-15 miles/wk in mid-'05. So, even though I wasn't training in a hugely faster pace range, upping my volume a lot = substantially faster max pace in races. I probably couldn't have run a 1/2 marathon in early 2005...in March of this year, I ran an 8:42 pace for half-mary.
2007-10-02 5:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Has anyone dramatically improved their run speed?
krludwig - 2007-10-01 10:50 PM

I guess I'm looking for a little motivation...

For me, it would mean jogging an 8 or 9 minute mile, and being able to hold that pace over a long distance (e.g., a half or full marathon).

So, is it possible to improve from a 15:00 walk/run pace to a 9:00 run pace?  Has anyone here made such a big improvement? 

Yes, you can progress to running a 9 minute pace with time, a good plan, and motivation.  When I started running 5 years ago, I was walk/run, then run/walk and now all run.   My pace dropped significantly, but it was not without work. I slowly built up my mileage and read a lot about how to improve my form, pace, stretch, etc.  Take it slowly, injury is very possible as you become eager to improve.

I set race goals vs time goals to keep me motivated.  I started with an 8K and worked my way up to marathons (several years after starting).  I felt a great sense of accomplishment finishing and improved my times along the way.

You say you eventually want to do tris (me too), it would make a lot of sense to bike and or swim with your running program.  I have found my body is in much better shape by adding these excersises to my running program.

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2007-10-02 7:00 AM
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I think run improvement comes faster to some than others. I've been tri training since '04 and this is the year I improved most...why? I improved my technique, but I was injured a lot so I'm not 100% sure.

I think the #1 way to improve is to run consistently. If healthy I run 3x a week all year unless my coach has me doing 2 in a rest week. 

Don't give up if it doesn't come easily or quickly like it has for others. I do this route in my neighborhood and dropped 1/3 off the time over 2 years....went from I think 61 minutes to around 40 minutes.

My long runs last year were 12 m/m range give or take; now I'm 9:45-10:20 doing 8-13 mile runs.

Hard thing for me is even though my aerobic pace has improved by 90"/mile I'm not much faster in tris. I didn't race much after early June due to a crash so I may have if I did a sprint but I have yet had the benefits of my improvement when it counts in a race...we'll see at my first HIM Sunday.

2007-10-02 7:58 AM
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My marathon progression:

2003: 5:20
2003: 4:45
2005: 4:40
2007: 3:46

My shorter distance races have come down too.

I attribute that to CONSISTENT running. It doesn't come overnight. Week after week I put in the miles, and included a long run every Saturday. (The long run varied from 10-20 miles). If you can get it in your mind that every Saturday is your long run, then you'll improve. I also ran with other people, so even if you don't keep up at the end, they still pull you along when you feel like quitting, and take your mind off of the fact that you're out there for a few hours.


2007-10-02 8:06 AM
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Yes yes yes!  You can absolutely do it.  I have a similar story to the ones already posted - although I'm not to a 9-minute mile yet I just ran a personal best for me of 7+ miles under 10 minutes/mile. 

One thing that I don't think has been stressed enough is to start slow.  Live by the 10% rule, and every 2-3 weeks take a week where every run is about 75% as long as your big week, then start building again.  Your body has to get used to the pounding of running, and building the distance and time up slowly helps avoid injury.  I also wouldn't worry too much about the speed, it'll come, but worry more about your running form.  Take smaller quick steps and don't land on your heels, and try to minimize the cross-body movement - you've seen the people running where their arms cross their bodies each step?  I liked the book Chi Running - while I can't seem to get all the steps right, it has some guidance that worked for me.

Congrats on the weight loss, less 30 pounds is great!  And congrats on your running. 

2007-10-02 8:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Has anyone dramatically improved their run speed?
yup, I have. Since mid July I went from ~11:45 min/mile on my first run to now the low 9s while training. In my last tri, on 9/23, I did a 8:27 min / mile 5K.

I run 3~4x a week(or at least try to) and lost 25 pds. The next min is going to be harder....

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2007-10-02 8:41 AM
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Ok, so you've seen that it can be done.  How about your running?  When you are running and you decide you need a walk break is it because you are out of breath or does something hurt?  I think it is well documented that what you need are more miles to get faster but what is preventing you from putting on more miles?  Are you maybe running too hard when you are running and it is wearing you out quickly?  How is your form?  Do you have good shoes and do they feel ok? 

2007-10-02 8:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Has anyone dramatically improved their run speed?
First year of running ('06) I was bouncing around 10 - 11 min/mile. This summer I have consistently dropped and am now running between 8:30 - 9 min/mile with the same heart rate as before.

Be patient.


2007-10-02 8:44 AM
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Yes is the short answer, but i would just reiterate what some others have said and take it slow.... you can get injured getting to eager, use the 10 percent rule and build a solid base before even thinking about speed.......
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krludwig - 2007-10-01 8:50 PMSo, is it possible to improve from a 15:00 walk/run pace to a 9:00 run pace?  Has anyone here made such a big improvement? 



Congrats on you weight loss and progress so far.

Absolutely you can get up to that 9min mark. I myself improved from a 13min walk/run 8 years ago to a 7:10 min half-marathon pace. By January I hope to finish the Arizona R&R marathon at a 7:15 pace. The bulk of that improvement (13 min to 9 min miles) came in the first couple years of working out.

Speed comes from improving your leg strength, your cardio endurance, and technqiue.

Chances are you are limited by leg strength and cardio right now. You run for a while and then need to stop running and walk for a while. Why? Winded? Legs too tired? Identify which and work on it.

There actually is good and bad technique in running. You don't really need a coach yet, but consult from a more experience running after watching you on a treadmill may help. Don't ingrain bad technique by just "running lots". That's like playing the piano "lots" to get better - repeating bad form over and over doesn't magically result in running improvement either.
Common technique errors:

  • Footstrike out in front of you - it's super hard on the knees, and slows you down with every step
  • Swaying the upper body from side to side (lateral movement just burns energy)
  • Bad arm swing - too much, too little, and/or crossing the body centerline (which causes swaying)
  • Lean - too much, too little

  • Many books (like the Triathletes Training Bible) have basic guidance. Armed with a little info and patience, you should see significant improvement in a short while.

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    Oh my goodness yes!! I did my first (and only mary) in June of 06 at a 14:59 pace. That was a 5/1 run/walk combo.

    My most recent running race was Sept 07 an 8 K on a hilly course and I ran a 9:33 pace. So I'm not to the 8:30 miles I want, but I am making much progress.

    It takes a lot of running- the past 2 months have been around 97-99 miles per month on 3 runs per week, with lots of speed work and tempo runs, but it can happen. Just running a lot will help. I cut my pace down to about 10:30 on my own and then with a coach's help have gotten it down to 9:30. My next goal is sub 9 and then 8:30.

    Good luck, you can do it!

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    First, congratulations on the weight loss and the decision to get more active.

    Yes, it is possible to dramitically improve your running speed. I have cut about 3 minutes per mile off my 5K time over the last year or so. For me, it has all been all about weight loss and exercising more consistently and more frequently.

    From what you put in your logs, it looks like you still have more weight you want to lose. I am betting that that alone will tremendously benefit your running.

    I would also suggest working towards exercising more times per week. Add some swimming or biking if it is hard to run more. Before I lost the extra weight, it was tough to run with any frequency, but I was able to add more swimming and biking without much added stress to the body.

    I think if you concentrate on continuing to improving your fitness as opposed to worrying about getting faster, you will naturally get faster as your fitness improves.
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    Base Work + Speed Work + Consistancy = Faster.

    Base.. just run. Try not to walk.. ever. Try to follow a good program.

    Speed Work.. Intervals, Tempo Run, Fartlek. This will give you the most bang for your buck.

    Consistancy.. If you fail to run on a regular schedule, you will fail at getting faster.
    It does take time, so be patient. Race often as a good measurement tool, and also use those as motivation to push yourself harder and faster.


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    I never thought I would be a runner... I now can run a mile in under 6 mins, run a 10k around a 6:50 pace... etc. You dont become a faster runner overnight, but you will be surprised by how fast you do improve with regular training.
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    Just get out there and run my friend.

    No secret about it. If your mind is set to do it, your body will follow.

    I started fitness walking in August 2006 (age 35). I ran 15 minutes straight for the first time on October 6th 2006.

    In the meantime, I lost 90+ lbs, did a 10K, a Tri, ran... ran... ran... biked... biked... biked...

    Last Friday, I ran a 5K in 22:30.

    Now, I decided to get more serious about training for next year.

    It's 90% mental and 10% physical. Run at your pace, and your pace will become faster and faster as you improve. Don't jump in the intervals and speed training. Just go out there and run. Base training, base training, base training.

    And I am commiting myself to check in on your training log weekly and "inspire" you.
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    YOu can definitely do it, but it may take some time. I started out about 2.5 years ago, most of my runs at 10-12m/m. Two years ago I did my first half marathon at 10:23/mi, and this weekend did one at 8:30/mi, on very tired legs.

    It'll just take consistent running. YOu'll get there! 

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    Wow, thanks for all the replies and encouragement!  It's great to know that you all have made such huge strides forward in your running.  Definitely reinforces my belief that I can do it, and will do it, even if it takes me years to do so.

    hangloose - 2007-10-02 6:41 AM
    When you are running and you decide you need a walk break is it because you are out of breath or does something hurt?

    Thankfully it's not due to any pain, though I did suffer from shin splints early on.  It's more that my HR gets too high and my breathing too labored.  I don't pass the conversational pace test.  (Mind you, I'm guessing a bit here -- I don't truly know what my zones are yet, or my LT, though I *think* my max HR estimate of 195 is pretty close.)

    Are you maybe running too hard when you are running and it is wearing you out quickly?  How is your form?  Do you have good shoes and do they feel ok?

    At first I think I was running too hard, but now I don't think so.  If I went any slower, I'd be walking.   My form? It's decidely pear-shaped.  Oh, oh, you mean my running form!   I probably heel-strike a bit too much, and pronate even more as I get fatigued.  I do at least have good shoes.  Got fitted at Road Runners.  I'm an overpronator, and they put me in some moderate stability shoes, Asics Kayanas.

    moneyman - 2007-10-02 8:16 AM
    From what you put in your logs, it looks like you still have more weight you want to lose. I am betting that that alone will tremendously benefit your running.

    I would also suggest working towards exercising more times per week. Add some swimming or biking if it is hard to run more.

    Yes, ideally I'd like to lose another 50 pounds.  I'm sure any additional weight loss will translate into faster run times for me.  And I agree I need to work out more.  This last month I've been rather unmotivated, hence the fewer workouts.  I do like to bike and swim (hence my interest in triathlons), and have been doing a little of both, but I could definitely do more.

    bryank14 - 2007-10-02 9:36 AM
    And I am commiting myself to check in on your training log weekly and "inspire" you.

    Thanks!  That's what I love about this site -- people are genuinely supportive.

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