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2007-10-09 10:45 AM
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In my experience, certain types of lifting/strength training can add body weight and other types can promote muscular endurance.  It will depend on how you go about your lifting.  I think that genetics also plays a role in muscle mass development too.

For my mary training, my strength training workouts would include huge amounts of reps at 30-50% of my max weight and included up to 60 reps, 3 sets working core, back, arms, and legs.  For this, I did not gain any bulkiness whatsoever, and felt a huge difference in recovery after running up hills.  I never did any sort of max weight sort of stuff which I believe will bulk things up.

And one last thing - I've witnessed many people who were just becoming active and had some extra pounds to lose begin a weight lifting program.  The conversion of less dense fat to more dense muscle created a heavier person, yet the person saw reduction in body dimensions and clothes started fitting better.  There's nothing wrong with this sort of weight gain, plus the lower body fat % and higher lean muscle mass required a higher metabolic rate to maintain the muscles...so you're burning more calories at rest as well. 



2007-10-09 10:55 AM
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indygreg - 2007-10-09 10:36 AM

It is very hard to gain a lot of muscle weight. Go to any gym or GNC and ask. I always call BS when i hear someone say this lift 30 minutes a session and 3 sessions a week and they gain a lot of muscle weight.


Good post! I agree...there are a lot of factors (supersets, low reps/max weight, protein, very strict nutrition - to name a few) that have to come together for the typical person to gain a lot of muscle off of light/moderate lifting. There are some individuals that are "gifted" and do build muscle very quickly and bulk up. As a general rule though, most of us on this board probably aren't going to gain an extraordinary amount of muscle, especially given the fact that we train in an endurance sport.

From an aesthetic standpoint, I can't stand to see individuals who look very fit on the bottom half of their body and then skinny-flabby on the top. It looks kinda gross, IMHO. I think it looks much healthier for a person when they have a balanced look.

2007-10-09 10:59 AM
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njk123 - 2007-10-09 11:55 AM I can't stand to see individuals who look very fit on the bottom half of their body and then skinny-flabby on the top. It looks kinda gross, IMHO. I think it looks much healthier for a person when they have a balanced look.

Right, and an even regimen of swiming, cycling and running will certainly take care of that!

2007-10-09 11:03 AM
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Very interesting thread, actually, my husband and I were just having this conversation last night as he is training for mountain bike racing (and firmly believes in off season weights) and I'm doing the tri training. Gives me some insight as I had just decided on an 8 week rotation in the gym.

On topic to the original question, one of the primary reasons I'm doing the time in the gym is specifically to loose weight. I typically loose quite a bit of weight when I'm lifting and have found it to be beneficial to my strength on the bike. As this is my first year with triathlons, I can't speak to whether it will help me with that at all.

Thanks for the lively discussion everyone

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ps: wurkit_girl, keep offering your opinions, people will disagree with you, sometimes vehemently, doesn't mean what you have to say isn't important.

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Daremo - 2007-10-09 10:59 AM

njk123 - 2007-10-09 11:55 AM I can't stand to see individuals who look very fit on the bottom half of their body and then skinny-flabby on the top. It looks kinda gross, IMHO. I think it looks much healthier for a person when they have a balanced look.

Right, and an even regimen of swiming, cycling and running will certainly take care of that!



Not necessarily - depends on your body type. I was watching IMWI highlights last night and saw a few of the pros that certainly didn't look well balanced in their muscle tone from top to bottom.

It's not a "one size fits all" approach like you appear to be suggesting (please notice I say "appear" here - that may not be how you're intending to sound). It may work well for you, but others may not see the same results on your program. You also appear to have a pretty solid base, so your fitness needs/maintenance will be very different from someone else at a beginner level or someone just coming from a purely running background or purely swimming, etc.
2007-10-09 11:08 AM
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njk123 - 2007-10-09 12:04 PM

Not necessarily - depends on your body type. I was watching IMWI highlights last night and saw a few of the pros that certainly didn't look well balanced in their muscle tone from top to bottom.

It's not a "one size fits all" approach like you appear to be suggesting (please notice I say "appear" here - that may not be how you're intending to sound). It may work well for you, but others may not see the same results on your program. You also appear to have a pretty solid base, so your fitness needs/maintenance will be very different from someone else at a beginner level or someone just coming from a purely running background or purely swimming, etc.


I was going to make this point, but since I'm a newbie, I don't have the street cred (never mind that I was in ridiculously good shape for years, from 20 years of dance training, where they...gasp...made us do corework!!!!), so thank you for doing it for me

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2007-10-09 11:10 AM
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wurkit_gurl - 2007-10-09 10:32 AM

Fine, you all win, okay? I clearly don't know anything because I'm just a newbie to tris. Maybe I should just sit on my butt and eat cheetos - let's see how fast THAT makes me.

Oh, for Pete's sake... 

If you make a post that someone takes issue with, expect to get a response.  You should still voice your opinion--newbie or not.  It's part of what makes this forum work.

2007-10-09 11:12 AM
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njk123 - 2007-10-09 11:04 AM
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njk123 - 2007-10-09 11:55 AM I can't stand to see individuals who look very fit on the bottom half of their body and then skinny-flabby on the top. It looks kinda gross, IMHO. I think it looks much healthier for a person when they have a balanced look.

Right, and an even regimen of swiming, cycling and running will certainly take care of that!

Not necessarily - depends on your body type. I was watching IMWI highlights last night and saw a few of the pros that certainly didn't look well balanced in their muscle tone from top to bottom.

What does their "muscle tone" have to do with going fast (which they obviously do)?

2007-10-09 11:12 AM
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From 6 time Ironman winner Mark Allen -

"I had resisted weight training for years, because I didn’t know what to do or how. But I was losing strength and recovering more slowly."

He found a strength trainer who put him on a full-body workout twice a week, performing 12 exercises, 2 sets of 15 reps each. He says after a season of working out, he had his best year ever. He continues that workout today.

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2007-10-09 11:27 AM
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JohnnyKay - 2007-10-09 11:12 AM

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njk123 - 2007-10-09 11:55 AM I can't stand to see individuals who look very fit on the bottom half of their body and then skinny-flabby on the top. It looks kinda gross, IMHO. I think it looks much healthier for a person when they have a balanced look.

Right, and an even regimen of swiming, cycling and running will certainly take care of that!

Not necessarily - depends on your body type. I was watching IMWI highlights last night and saw a few of the pros that certainly didn't look well balanced in their muscle tone from top to bottom.

What does their "muscle tone" have to do with going fast (which they obviously do)?



Never said one had anything to do with the other...look back at my post. I talked about muscle tone from an aesthetic standpoint. The comment was made back to me by Daremo that this tone balance can be accomplished this via balanced S/B/R. I then stated that's not necessarily true and that I've seen pros at IMWI that I didn't think had good muscular tone balance b/t the upper and lower halves.

It really amazes me that when people get ramped up on an issue, the posts are read in the way they WANT to interpret them.

For the record, no I'm not upset, ramped up, offended, etc. Just debating a point.
2007-10-09 11:30 AM
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njk123 - 2007-10-09 11:27 AM Never said one had anything to do with the other...look back at my post. I talked about muscle tone from an aesthetic standpoint. The comment was made back to me by Daremo that this tone balance can be accomplished this via balanced S/B/R. I then stated that's not necessarily true and that I've seen pros at IMWI that I didn't think had good muscular tone balance b/t the upper and lower halves. It really amazes me that when people get ramped up on an issue, the posts are read in the way they WANT to interpret them. For the record, no I'm not upset, ramped up, offended, etc. Just debating a point.

Not ramped up either, just breezing through the posts too fast.  Sorry, I missed the aesthetic comment.  A valid reason to do weights.



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2007-10-09 11:31 AM
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JohnnyKay - 2007-10-09 11:30 AM

njk123 - 2007-10-09 11:27 AM Never said one had anything to do with the other...look back at my post. I talked about muscle tone from an aesthetic standpoint. The comment was made back to me by Daremo that this tone balance can be accomplished this via balanced S/B/R. I then stated that's not necessarily true and that I've seen pros at IMWI that I didn't think had good muscular tone balance b/t the upper and lower halves. It really amazes me that when people get ramped up on an issue, the posts are read in the way they WANT to interpret them. For the record, no I'm not upset, ramped up, offended, etc. Just debating a point.

Not ramped up either, just breezing through the posts too fast. Sorry, I missed the aesthetic comment. A valid reason to do weights.



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2007-10-09 11:32 AM
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cordova61 - 2007-10-09 11:12 AM

From 6 time Ironman winner Mark Allen -

"I had resisted weight training for years, because I didn’t know what to do or how. But I was losing strength and recovering more slowly."

He found a strength trainer who put him on a full-body workout twice a week, performing 12 exercises, 2 sets of 15 reps each. He says after a season of working out, he had his best year ever. He continues that workout today.

When I run, bike & swim as much as Mark Allen BEFORE he started lifting weights, I'll reconsider. 

2007-10-09 11:33 AM
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njk123 - 2007-10-09 12:27 PM
It really amazes me that when people get ramped up on an issue, the posts are read in the way they WANT to interpret them.


Oh, and they also send you PMs and tell you that arguing on BT is the reason why you can't find a boyfriend. Just shows what classy, supportive team-players we have here on BT...sigh. Great spirit...

2007-10-09 11:34 AM
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You're kidding, right???  Someone actually did that???

That's not very BT-ish ......

2007-10-09 11:36 AM
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Daremo - 2007-10-09 12:34 PM

You're kidding, right???  Someone actually did that???

That's not very BT-ish ......


Definitely not kidding. But it's cool. I'm not in 5th grade and stuff like that doesn't bother me.

BTW, Rick, I know you're just joshing me, and that's fine - I did not mean for the cheetoh comment to be serious Although sometimes sitting on my butt eating cheetohs (which I never eat) seems like a more fun alternative to running

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wurkit_gurl - 2007-10-09 11:33 AM

njk123 - 2007-10-09 12:27 PM
It really amazes me that when people get ramped up on an issue, the posts are read in the way they WANT to interpret them.


Oh, and they also send you PMs and tell you that arguing on BT is the reason why you can't find a boyfriend. Just shows what classy, supportive team-players we have here on BT...sigh. Great spirit...



Well, I guess I have no problem there then because I'm already married.

I used to go to another board that was exponentially worse than this one. This place is actually a breath of fresh air and I haven't gotten the idea yet that debating isn't welcome. Most everyone has been very helpful and friendly. If someone can show me explicit information that I'm wrong, then I'm willing to admit I didn't have all the information and can revisit my beliefs. Clearly this isn't a "one size fits all" issue because otherwise we'd all be doing the same thing and getting the same results.
2007-10-09 11:51 AM
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Well.. beside the fact this thread has fallen way off topic....

Strength training is not going to hurt your performance in any way. Daermo, do you have any authority for that statement about "overly strengthened abs restricting breathing"? Even if that is true, I cant imagine anyone short of a bodybuilder being able to over-strengthen their abs to that point. Im not saying it isnt true... im just saying that seems way out of the bounds of what will happen to 99% of people.

Fact of the matter is, strength training does have its benefits. However, not all of its benefits wil make you a FASTER triathlete.

I personally strength train to try to keep my arms from looking like soda straws and it seems to help keep my joints stronger.
2007-10-09 12:04 PM
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Well.. beside the fact this thread has fallen way off topic.... 

Of course it has.  The OP put "Strength training" in the subject.  Which, as anyone who has been here for about a month or so knows, is almost guaranteed to invite a train wreck or two. 

Strength training is not going to hurt your performance in any way.

This would probably be true if I were Mark Allen.  But since strength training would interfere with my already life-limited training time, it would hurt MY performance.

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JohnnyKay - 2007-10-09 1:04 PM

Of course it has.  The OP put "Strength training" in the subject.  Which, as anyone who has been here for about a month or so knows, is almost guaranteed to invite a train wreck or two. 

Johnny, you know damned well when a strength training thread gets started, you're supposed to let me know. I feel unwanted.

OK, enough of that. Back to prying the rails away from the ties.

2007-10-09 12:15 PM
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rkreuser - 2007-10-09 12:13 PM Johnny, you know damned well when a strength training thread gets started, you're supposed to let me know. I feel unwanted.

Sorry.  I was impressed with the fortitude of the "newbies".  Must be all that strength training they're doing. 



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Guys,
I carefully red all the post (even the off topic) and I put some comments here.

1) I agree that strength training, giving you leaner mass and less fat, will increase your metabolism rate, burning more calories. BTW, you have to add even the higher rate due to more kg in the case...
2) Typically, going to gym for weight training, there will be few kg more since people tend to eat more. Psicologically, you feel that you need more proteins or sort of other integrations because you are going to lift weights. It is something I see unintentional but true. This maybe the source of few kg more (sometimes)
3) In the case you put some more kg of ONLY lean mass (without falling into the mistake of point number 2), these kg(s) will slow you down by 2.5"/km anyway in the running races. This is universally aknowledged (fat or not)
No effects in swimming and (probably) on cycling of the few kg(s) more.


The question I want to be answered (probably I will not be) is: is there a document or a study that
- assuming I continue eating at the same rate (same kalories intake)
- assuming I continue to spend same kalories (same trainings rate)
- assuming that the energy expenditure during weight training is negligible

demonstrates that I will gain some weight anyway related to weight training?
For me the answer is not trivial...

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2007-10-09 12:23 PM
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JohnnyKay - 2007-10-09 12:15 PM

rkreuser - 2007-10-09 12:13 PM Johnny, you know damned well when a strength training thread gets started, you're supposed to let me know. I feel unwanted.

Sorry. I was impressed with the fortitude of the "newbies". Must be all that strength training they're doing.



Before I even consider whether this is just how you are or if I should take offense, I need to ask, was this directed at anyone in particular or are you just generally saying that everyone who debates the merits of strength training is a "newbie" - which from your post seems to mean clueless?

I'd just like to know because in writing it's easy to mistake intent and tone. I'd prefer not to jump to conclusions.
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