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2007-11-02 10:55 AM |
Expert 1194 | Subject: Goal vs actual finish time. Most everyone has a finish time in mind befor the evnts, I was just wondering how close some of you guys and gals actually were to your origional goals. Im doing the Disney 1/2 IM in May 08. I have 5.5 hrs stuck in my head, We soon shall see. Sg |
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2007-11-02 10:57 AM in reply to: #1034959 |
Extreme Veteran 739 Westlake, OH | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. first race beat my goal by 4' 59". Second race by 11" |
2007-11-02 11:09 AM in reply to: #1034959 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. My goal in my first tri was to finish. I did. |
2007-11-02 11:10 AM in reply to: #1034959 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. I've been all over the place. My last HIM I was off the time I had in my head by almost 30 minutes due to the heat on race day. Time goals are tough because you're so dependent on conditions beyond your control. Weather, course conditions etc. Now I try to set goals of placement in my Age Group. Everyone has to race under the same conditions and I figure that the range of performance abilities is similar from one Sprint/Oly/HIM to the next. |
2007-11-02 11:10 AM in reply to: #1034959 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. Garry Bjorkland Half Marathon goal 2007 = sub 1:20 actual = 1:17 Fall 50 ultramarathon 2007 goal = sub 11 hours actual = 8:52 IM WI 2007 goal: sub 10:30 stomach shutdown actual = 13:00 (not fun) 'ya take what the day gives 'ya Edited by Birkierunner 2007-11-02 11:12 AM |
2007-11-02 11:15 AM in reply to: #1035008 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. Last year I went into Eagleman thinking I could easily break 5 hours ...... I barely broke 6. This year I went into it with no cares or expectations and just went the best that I could with only a silent goal of liking to still try and break 5, but not really focusing on it. I went under 5 hours by a few minutes. At my sprint I wanted to break an hour and place well, I did ....... At my oly. I wanted to be under 2:20 and closer to 2:15. I was close to 2:15 ...... At my IM tomorrow? Finsih with my head up and enjoy the experience. It would be nice to finish in the daylight (going to have to be under 11-ish to do that). I have a silent goal that all hinges on how I come off the bike and my overall time at that point, but it is not my focus at all, just a "what if?" If you know your abilities well and stay within yourself, then you can make reasonably good predictions barring any unforseens like health, injuries or mechanicals. |
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2007-11-02 11:19 AM in reply to: #1034959 |
Extreme Veteran 392 | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. Carlsbad half mary goal- 2:10 actual 2:14 missed it by 4 minutes L.A. sprint tri goal- 2:00:00 actual 2:00:05 missed it by 5 seconds |
2007-11-02 11:22 AM in reply to: #1034959 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. Goal: To cross the finish line vertical. |
2007-11-02 11:25 AM in reply to: #1034959 |
Pro 3673 MAC-opolis | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. For my first HIM, i just wanted to finish. However, I did the math based on my current level and figured a really good finish time for me would be 7:30 assuming my first goal of finishing was met. I ended up with a finish time of 7:29:43
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2007-11-02 11:31 AM in reply to: #1034959 |
Pro 4292 Evanston, | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. My goals are ALWAYS "finish, and have fun." Sometimes I've added to that: FIRST TRI: run the whole run - DONE! First half-marathon: run the whole thing - DONE! Second Olympic-distance tri - under 4 hours (sounds easy but it was a "getting back on the horse" experience after the one race that nearly made me quit) - DONE, by 12 minutes! Second half-marathon - 2:30:00 - missed it by 1:14 Goal for 1 tri this year: finish in the top 90% ... DONE!
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2007-11-02 11:53 AM in reply to: #1034959 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. If your training is consistant and well planned, you should have a very good idea what kind of pace you can maintain based on the effort you plan on racing at. I have always found I can predict with pretty good accuracy what my times will be assuming nothing goes really wrong. I usually am a little on the conservative side. |
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2007-11-02 12:07 PM in reply to: #1035109 |
Extreme Veteran 739 Westlake, OH | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. bryancd - 2007-11-02 12:53 PM If your training is consistant and well planned, you should have a very good idea what kind of pace you can maintain based on the effort you plan on racing at. I have always found I can predict with pretty good accuracy what my times will be assuming nothing goes really wrong. I usually am a little on the conservative side. Agreed. while I know the intent on the "just have fun", "finish with a smile" goals advice, I just can't help but think...wait a minute, the guy/gal should know what he/she can expect based on their training paces. Its not like on race day folks suddenly become a lot faster and/or slower. |
2007-11-02 12:37 PM in reply to: #1035137 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. True, you can have an estimate of what you should be able to accomplish time-wise based on training HOWEVER, you should be flexible and understand that many things can go wrong and give you some time cushion (depending on the distance) and don’t obsess during a race if you are not hitting your goal times cuz it can mess up with your mind. i.e. how many times we estimate swim in ‘x’ time but the swim course is not measured accurately (99% of the time) and you end up swimming longer? What if the day throws at you a nasty windy day and forces you to slow down 1-2 mph? What if the day turns out to be very hot and you just can’t sustain the pace you know you can for the run? Having a conservative estimate of what you should do based on training is ok, but having specific goals such as place on your AG or race at ‘x’ effort might be better. |
2007-11-02 12:39 PM in reply to: #1034959 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. hmm recent race goals.. 5k: Wanted to break 18:00, with the thought of 17:45 as a perfect run.. ran a 17:48 Oly triathlon: It had a tough run so I put my goal at 2:20.. was 2:24.. had a bad swim and the run was still hard. Sprint, 400m, 10mile, 5k.. wanted to break an hour.. came in at 54min. Sprint, 300m, 12mile, 5k.. 57min.. but coming in over an hour didn't even occure to me.. came in at 1hr and 30 seconds. Usually have a good idea what a good day will give me.. but it all depends on how things click that day. |
2007-11-02 12:46 PM in reply to: #1034959 |
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2007-11-02 12:48 PM in reply to: #1034959 |
Lethbridge, Alberta | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. This past spring I did an olympic distance tri with a pool swim where they asked us to predict our swim times for seeding the lanes. I finished the swim only 2 seconds faster than my prediction. |
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2007-11-02 12:49 PM in reply to: #1034959 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. The closest I have come is my olympic this year. I wanted 2:40 ended up 2:40:40. My HIM not so good. Wanted 5:40 ended up 6:52. Sprints I am usually only off a few minutes |
2007-11-02 12:59 PM in reply to: #1034959 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. My first race since 1978, and on 9 months training after not running for about 14 years, was a 10K...first time I'd ever run that distance. I told my wife to look for me at about 1 hour. She was a little shocked when I popped up next to her at 49 min. I had no clue, really, what a realistic goal was under race conditions at that point. As time goes by, you get closer on estimates of finishes, I've found...however, my last 5K, in July, I was gunning for 20:15-20:20 and I missed by a ton...21:23 or so, as I recall. I've only done two sprint tris to-date and in both cases I did have a goal (really a goal range) in mind and came up about 2 minutes off of it each time. I was happy that I had a good sense of my actual conditioning and preparation. skipg: "Im doing the Disney 1/2 IM in May 08. I have 5.5 hrs stuck in my head," FWIW, I'm not doing my first HIM until July, but I've already got that same goal stuck there as well, much as I'd like to not have any unhelpful preconceptions. Good luck! |
2007-11-02 1:00 PM in reply to: #1035204 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. PennState - 2007-11-02 12:46 PM Like Rick says, I have silent time goals, but I try not to be too upset when I don't meet them I actually will always tell anyone who asks what I expect my time to be, not to put pressure on myself, but because it's just math. For Hawaii, I told everyone to expect me out of the water in 1:05, I was out in 1:04 and change. I figured a 5:10-5:20 bike, I got a 5:03. I told anyone who would listen a 3:30-3:40 run, I went 3:26. |
2007-11-02 2:03 PM in reply to: #1035184 |
Extreme Veteran 739 Westlake, OH | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. amiine - 2007-11-02 1:37 PM True, you can have an estimate of what you should be able to accomplish time-wise based on training HOWEVER, you should be flexible and understand that many things can go wrong and give you some time cushion (depending on the distance) and don’t obsess during a race if you are not hitting your goal times cuz it can mess up with your mind. i.e. how many times we estimate swim in ‘x’ time but the swim course is not measured accurately (99% of the time) and you end up swimming longer? What if the day throws at you a nasty windy day and forces you to slow down 1-2 mph? What if the day turns out to be very hot and you just can’t sustain the pace you know you can for the run? Having a conservative estimate of what you should do based on training is ok, but having specific goals such as place on your AG or race at ‘x’ effort might be better. Good points but let me point out that you can't always control where you place in your AG since you have no control over who may show that day. |
2007-11-02 2:05 PM in reply to: #1035204 |
Extreme Veteran 739 Westlake, OH | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. PennState - 2007-11-02 1:46 PM Like Rick says, I have silent time goals, but I try not to be too upset when I don't meet them Can you explain what a silent time goal is and how that differs from just a regular time goal? I make a time goal. I tell people. Edited by ohiost90 2007-11-02 2:07 PM |
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2007-11-02 2:26 PM in reply to: #1035233 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. bryancd - 2007-11-02 1:00 PM For Hawaii, I told everyone to expect me out of the water in 1:05, I was out in 1:04 and change. I figured a 5:10-5:20 bike, I got a 5:03. I told anyone who would listen a 3:30-3:40 run, I went 3:26. geeeeez...there goes Bryan, showing off again....I did such and such at Kona...yadda yadda yadda (I'm totally kidding of course ) |
2007-11-02 2:35 PM in reply to: #1034959 |
Expert 986 Michiana | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. Oly 1: Goal of 2:40, actual of 2:39:42 Oly 2: Goal of 2:35, actual of 2:35:23 HIM: Goal of 5:45, actual of 5:46:41 1/2 Mary 1: Goal of 1:45, actual of 1:45:44 1/2 Mary 2: Goal of 1:40, actual of 1:40:38 Marathon: Goal of 3:45:59, actual of 3:47:30 - this was the worst cause I was trying to pace my wife to a BQ and we missed by 91 seconds. I'm pretty good about predicting, but as bryancd says, "its just math." As you train, you can get pretty well dialed in on what you're capable of. However, you never know what's going to happen on race day. Edit: Make sure you stretch yourself, especially if its not your 1st race at that distance. I sometimes feared that my goals may hold me back. So, as the race days approached, I often upped the ante to myself and nearly delivered each time. Edited by mbmoran2 2007-11-02 2:39 PM |
2007-11-02 3:18 PM in reply to: #1035383 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. ohiost90 - 2007-11-02 3:05 PM PennState - 2007-11-02 1:46 PM Like Rick says, I have silent time goals, but I try not to be too upset when I don't meet them Can you explain what a silent time goal is and how that differs from just a regular time goal? I make a time goal. I tell people.
Very simple, one you have in your mind but don't share. If you are honest with yourself and your abilities (for me) then it is one you could hit on a perfect day knowing what you are capable of. But "telling" these goals out loud has set up expectations both in my eyes and others that when I didn't live up to them made me either upset or put off. Like my Eagleman race last year ....... I was really bummed about my result and the demons of my past crept back into the foreground (dropping out of races when they started to get tough). So this year has been all about having the best I can with what the day brings while going as hard as I can for that distance. Tomorrow is my first IM ever. I have the must do goal of finishing. Everything after that is just gravy!! Now for Lake Placid next year I will take what I learn tomorrow and adapt it with more training to attempt to earn a Kona slot. There will be no doubt about what my goals will be there, I just need to hit the benchmarks to get them done! I personally find that I do much better when I go into a race with no pressure or expectations of myself and just "run what you brung." |
2007-11-02 3:25 PM in reply to: #1035539 |
Extreme Veteran 739 Westlake, OH | Subject: RE: Goal vs actual finish time. Daremo - 2007-11-02 4:18 PM ohiost90 - 2007-11-02 3:05 PM PennState - 2007-11-02 1:46 PM Like Rick says, I have silent time goals, but I try not to be too upset when I don't meet them Can you explain what a silent time goal is and how that differs from just a regular time goal? I make a time goal. I tell people.
Very simple, one you have in your mind but don't share. If you are honest with yourself and your abilities (for me) then it is one you could hit on a perfect day knowing what you are capable of. But "telling" these goals out loud has set up expectations both in my eyes and others that when I didn't live up to them made me either upset or put off. I get how if you don't tell anyone you don't set-up expectations for others? But how does not telling others not set up expecations to yourself? DO you include yourself in the not telling? And if you don't tell yourself, how do you know that you meet your goal? Do you tell yourself after the race? So in other words, by not telling others, you don't have to explain how you didn't make your goal. thats cool. btw, good luck at your IM. Whats your goal time? Or haven't you told yourself that yet? lol... Just f'in with ya. Really, rock this IM! |
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