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2012-12-13 8:56 PM

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Well that was 40 minutes of my life I'll never get back.  Ya think they might have tested their mics before starting?  You would be wrong thinking that.

And clips of "My Cousin Vinny"  seriously?

 

The only thing I learned is that most people here would disagree with Tridot.  he reckons long slow distance is a waste of time.  I guess he is part of the Ben Greenfield contingent.

And now there is quite a contest between Swimsmooth and Total Imersion about the right way to swim.

How does one know what to believe? 

Listen to the BT local curmudgeon is my way forward!

2012-12-14 3:40 AM
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Ok, I'll bite.....

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what?

2012-12-14 6:37 AM
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2012-12-14 7:48 AM
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They did a webinar yesterday which was promoted as being all Terry's wisdom distilled for triathletes. And then some coaching outfit called Tridot was supposed to give us great advice.All it was was an advertisement. It left me with a foul taste for Terry since I've already purchased his DVDs. It would have been nice if at the beginning he said "if you have my DVDs go do something else"And here is some science that is interesting. http://www.feelforthewater.com/2012/12/the-data-on-stroke-rate-and-...
2012-12-14 9:02 AM
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I cut it off after 3 minutes when the mic's were skipping.
2012-12-14 9:13 AM
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I think the webinar had some good information in it.  I liked the grits example.  

I do think the 30 minuted advertisement at the end was overkill though.

I don't think they were saying long slow distance is necessarily a waste of time, it is just a waste if that is what you always do.  They were saying you need a mix, and each workout needs to have a specific purpose.  So if the purpose of that workout is to increase endurance, than long and slow is one thing you can do.  

Just a little about my own experience, I used to think the more training, the more miles, distance, etc was better.  I wore myself out and got injured.  I never got faster, despite the amount of training I did.  Now, I am following a running program that is only three runs per week with two to three days of cross training.  One day is speedwork, one is tempo, and one is long.  With this program, I have achieved speeds I never thought were possible for me, and I AG podium in most races I do.  Before, I was always BOP.  So now I train less, and I am a lot faster!  And I have kept my injury at bay for almost two years!  

Like TriDot said, "Specific training produces specific results".  From how much I have improved over the last year using this concept, I completely agree with this.



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2012-12-14 10:58 AM
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Based on this thread, I had a look at the Tridot website and while it doesn't set off every alarm bell I have regarding the state of triathlon coaching, it hits several key elements. I would be very hesitant to make use of any of the services offered by them including what they describe as coaching.

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2012-12-14 11:13 AM
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cdivine9 - 2012-12-14 11:13 AM

I don't think they were saying long slow distance is necessarily a waste of time, it is just a waste if that is what you always do.  They were saying you need a mix, and each workout needs to have a specific purpose.  So if the purpose of that workout is to increase endurance, than long and slow is one thing you can do.


The problem with the idea that long, slow distance is a waste of time is that it shows a misunderstanding of how endurance training works. In fact, LSD does not mean long, slow distance but rather, long, steady distance.

Every good endurance training program will involve a mix of duration and intensities that progress from general (targeting that athlete's overall endurance fitness) to specific (the intensities required for racing). Any program that is all or nothing (such as LSD is a waste or never let your HR go above XXX) is trading more on gimmicks than sound endurance principles.

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gsmacleod - 2012-12-15 1:13 AM
cdivine9 - 2012-12-14 11:13 AM I don't think they were saying long slow distance is necessarily a waste of time, it is just a waste if that is what you always do.  They were saying you need a mix, and each workout needs to have a specific purpose.  So if the purpose of that workout is to increase endurance, than long and slow is one thing you can do.
The problem with the idea that long, slow distance is a waste of time is that it shows a misunderstanding of how endurance training works. In fact, LSD does not mean long, slow distance but rather, long, steady distance. Every good endurance training program will involve a mix of duration and intensities that progress from general (targeting that athlete's overall endurance fitness) to specific (the intensities required for racing). Any program that is all or nothing (such as LSD is a waste or never let your HR go above XXX) is trading more on gimmicks than sound endurance principles. Shane

Indeed.

And every good triathlon endurance training program will involve a mix of duration and intensities that progress from general in the specific sport to specific in the specific sport (according to the intensities required for the specific athlete's racing goals).

You can't train swimming like you train cycling like you train running. Just about the only thing they have in common in triathlon is endurance. Other than that, they are three completely different animals--and considering their relative distance and order within a given triathlon race, even more so.

2012-12-14 4:21 PM
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FoggyGoggles - 2012-12-14 5:37 AM

I'm lost.

I did however attend a TI clinic last weekend and got a lot out of it.



You'd have gotten way more out of it if your goggles weren't so foggy! Lol. Seriously, it was great meeting you.

Apparently Terry recorded his portion via a mobile phone, and when it was rebroadcast it was even worse. Jeff from TriDot is going to have Terry re-record his portion of it because many people were frustrated about the audio quality (as was I).

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kingofbanff - 2012-12-13 9:56 PM

Well that was 40 minutes of my life I'll never get back.  Ya think they might have tested their mics before starting?  You would be wrong thinking that.

And clips of "My Cousin Vinny"  seriously?

 

The only thing I learned is that most people here would disagree with Tridot.  he reckons long slow distance is a waste of time.  I guess he is part of the Ben Greenfield contingent.

And now there is quite a contest between Swimsmooth and Total Imersion about the right way to swim.

How does one know what to believe? 

Listen to the BT local curmudgeon is my way forward!

 

I found good information in both TI and Swimsmooth.

 

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