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2011-12-11 9:54 AM |
Master 2701 Salisbury, North Carolina | Subject: US Spy drone captured Wonder what happens to this drone. Do we take it out, if we can determine where it is ? Lots of damage already done. Just curious, what do you think ? I'm not sure we just let them have it with no response, but it may happen. |
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2011-12-11 10:14 AM in reply to: #3934039 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured |
2011-12-11 10:42 AM in reply to: #3934039 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured It's all part of using them. Hard to believe they do not have contentions. Cost of doing business. |
2011-12-11 10:46 AM in reply to: #3934053 |
Master 2701 Salisbury, North Carolina | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured |
2011-12-11 2:14 PM in reply to: #3934039 |
Veteran 334 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured One would think that we would have a plan for situations like this. It obviously wasn't shot down, especially if the one they are displaying is real. I think they would have a plan that if the drone was out of contact with the operator for more than a set period of time the innards would have the ability to destroy themselves. Drones normally have an ability to land themselves if they lose contact or are severely damaged but that just seems stupid if you are operating in territory where you can't launch a recovery mission. |
2011-12-11 3:27 PM in reply to: #3934039 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured From what I read they lost communications with it when it was flying so it probably has some auto program to stay orbiting or land gently in the event of failure. I think the President was a little gun shy on destroying or extracting it when it went down because it was bad enough to be caught "spying" on Iran. He didn't want to risk a blatant aggressive act on Iranian soil by destroying it or sending in an extraction team. |
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2011-12-11 4:02 PM in reply to: #3934039 |
Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured ...or, perhaps it's a "dummy-drone." load an expendable drone up with some different technology in it...let the enemy game-plan for the wrong tech. who knows. |
2011-12-11 5:27 PM in reply to: #3934039 |
Veteran 334 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured tuwood - 2011-12-11 3:27 PM I think the President was a little gun shy on destroying or extracting it when it went down because it was bad enough to be caught "spying" on Iran. He didn't want to risk a blatant aggressive act on Iranian soil by destroying it or sending in an extraction team. I imagine making a decision to recover or destroy a downed unmanned plane over a foreign territory that we are not at war with would be a huge decision. However, I think we have proven that we don't give much regard to borders when we feel it affects our security. ChineseDemocracy - 2011-12-11 4:02 PM ...or, perhaps it's a "dummy-drone." load an expendable drone up with some different technology in it...let the enemy game-plan for the wrong tech. who knows. I think the idea of one of our drones going down over another countries sovereign territory is a bit much for us to swallow just to plant some dummy technology. |
2011-12-11 5:37 PM in reply to: #3934039 |
Expert 1146 Johns Creek, Georgia | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured |
2011-12-11 7:20 PM in reply to: #3934292 |
Master 2701 Salisbury, North Carolina | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured ChineseDemocracy - 2011-12-11 5:02 PM Lots of good points made in the thread. I too thought we would have had a plan to handle something like this. |
2011-12-11 7:39 PM in reply to: #3934462 |
Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured tri42 - 2011-12-11 8:20 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2011-12-11 5:02 PM ...or, perhaps it's a "dummy-drone." load an expendable drone up with some different technology in it...let the enemy game-plan for the wrong tech. who knows. .....hmmm, didn't even think of that. Lots of good points made in the thread. I too thought we would have had a plan to handle something like this.
Just my paranoid mind at work...send a dummy drone down, monitor via satellite...watch which players show up...Iranian military? Any signs of Russians, Chinese? etc. Ya never know. |
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2011-12-12 9:38 AM in reply to: #3934488 |
Veteran 485 Elmira, ON | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured ChineseDemocracy - 2011-12-10 8:39 PM tri42 - 2011-12-11 8:20 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2011-12-11 5:02 PM ...or, perhaps it's a "dummy-drone." load an expendable drone up with some different technology in it...let the enemy game-plan for the wrong tech. who knows. .....hmmm, didn't even think of that. Lots of good points made in the thread. I too thought we would have had a plan to handle something like this.
Just my paranoid mind at work...send a dummy drone down, monitor via satellite...watch which players show up...Iranian military? Any signs of Russians, Chinese? etc. Ya never know.
The US already knows that any technology on it will be sold/supplied to anyone Iran is friendly with. And I'm sure Iran will scower it themselves. Thats a no brainer. Whether there is any real technology to be gained.....as China and Russia both have there own drone programs of similiar technology already. I doubt anything was lost as there would be a plan already drafted if one was lost over enemy territory. Anything of value was already destroyed. I'm sure this isn't the first time one has crashed/shot down, etc. It's the political side of this thats most interesting. It's a reminder to Iran that "we're watching." and we are watching closely. It will be interesting to see in the upcoming months/couple of years what Israel does, and how the US reacts to the inevitable confrontation if Iran continues with a nuclear weapons program. |
2011-12-12 9:38 AM in reply to: #3934488 |
Veteran 485 Elmira, ON | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured ChineseDemocracy - 2011-12-10 8:39 PM tri42 - 2011-12-11 8:20 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2011-12-11 5:02 PM ...or, perhaps it's a "dummy-drone." load an expendable drone up with some different technology in it...let the enemy game-plan for the wrong tech. who knows. .....hmmm, didn't even think of that. Lots of good points made in the thread. I too thought we would have had a plan to handle something like this.
Just my paranoid mind at work...send a dummy drone down, monitor via satellite...watch which players show up...Iranian military? Any signs of Russians, Chinese? etc. Ya never know.
The US already knows that any technology on it will be sold/supplied to anyone Iran is friendly with. And I'm sure Iran will scower it themselves. Thats a no brainer. Whether there is any real technology to be gained.....as China and Russia both have there own drone programs of similiar technology already. I doubt anything was lost as there would be a plan already drafted if one was lost over enemy territory. Anything of value was already destroyed. I'm sure this isn't the first time one has crashed/shot down, etc. It's the political side of this thats most interesting. It's a reminder to Iran that "we're watching." and we are watching closely. It will be interesting to see in the upcoming months/couple of years what Israel does, and how the US reacts to the inevitable confrontation if Iran continues with a nuclear weapons program. |
2011-12-12 1:01 PM in reply to: #3934039 |
Master 1795 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured Agree it seems rediculous not to have self destruct feature. Left to assume that technology is not that "new" or that they lost communication needed to activate it? Anyway, how it finds a perfect landing zone on it's own and left intact is skeptical at best. Hopefully they plug there computers into it and major virus is spread! |
2011-12-12 1:38 PM in reply to: #3934039 |
Master 2447 White Oak, Texas | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured Hmm let’s see we lost communication with it and the drone reverted to its pre programmed safety mode to fly straight and level then land when it finds a suitable location. Ok I’ll ask who here would decide to fly your most secret advanced drone in a hostile environment with this safety mode still active. No I assume we would have a self destruct mode operational instead. Thought 2 who remembers the brief news reports a few months ago about the virus’s getting into our drone control computers? STORY Thought 3 who stands to gain the most from the capture of this drone (China) now put these things together. |
2011-12-12 1:48 PM in reply to: #3934369 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured hrliles - 2011-12-11 6:37 PM Trojan Horse?
Launcelot, Galahad, and I wait until nightfall and then leap out of the drone |
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2011-12-12 1:52 PM in reply to: #3934039 |
Runner | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured I'm interested why people think these devices have self-destructs. Those types of mechanisms are not exactly simple, and because of the complexity they introduce quite a significant failure rate. Most self-destruct mechanisms I've seen in the military involved a grenade or other well-placed explosive charge, or did nothing but render the device inert. Considering the drone doesn't pack an explosive charge by itself, I can't imagine that they would design one in, just in case. As to what happens with the captured drone.... The Iranians will rip it to shreds, analyze it, and possibly pick up some idea of our current capabilities. However, I doubt they will be able to produce their own any time soon, for a variety of reasons. Besides, their military structure does not lend itself well to the use of drones in combat operations. |
2011-12-12 1:56 PM in reply to: #3935423 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured Scout7 - 2011-12-12 2:52 PM I'm interested why people think these devices have self-destructs. Obviously, you need to watch more James Bond movies. Or perhaps an Austin Powers or two. |
2011-12-12 2:04 PM in reply to: #3934039 |
Master 2447 White Oak, Texas | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured A self destruct program does not need to be some big explosive device or event this is an aircraft flying very high all you need is a program that wipes the computer files, then goes into a steep dive toward a hard clear surface. |
2011-12-12 2:18 PM in reply to: #3935441 |
Runner | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured CBarnes - 2011-12-12 3:04 PM A self destruct program does not need to be some big explosive device or event this is an aircraft flying very high all you need is a program that wipes the computer files, then goes into a steep dive toward a hard clear surface. Considering the fact that you can still put together a lot about the technical components when a major airliner crashes, I don't think a nose dive is going to be effective. Plus, there's other concerns; what are the determining factors for when to self-destruct, what are the specific triggers, when do you NOT self-destruct, etc. There's a reason why we don't have doomsday devices in play more often. |
2011-12-12 2:19 PM in reply to: #3935430 |
Runner | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured Renee - 2011-12-12 2:56 PM Scout7 - 2011-12-12 2:52 PM I'm interested why people think these devices have self-destructs. Obviously, you need to watch more James Bond movies. Or perhaps an Austin Powers or two. I think Dr. Strangelove is far more telling on this topic, though. |
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2011-12-12 2:21 PM in reply to: #3935459 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured Scout7 - 2011-12-12 3:19 PM Renee - 2011-12-12 2:56 PM I think Dr. Strangelove is far more telling on this topic, though.Scout7 - 2011-12-12 2:52 PM I'm interested why people think these devices have self-destructs. Obviously, you need to watch more James Bond movies. Or perhaps an Austin Powers or two. You had to go dark. |
2011-12-12 2:23 PM in reply to: #3934039 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured |
2011-12-12 6:24 PM in reply to: #3935423 |
Veteran 334 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured Scout7 - 2011-12-12 1:52 PM I'm interested why people think these devices have self-destructs. Those types of mechanisms are not exactly simple, and because of the complexity they introduce quite a significant failure rate. Most self-destruct mechanisms I've seen in the military involved a grenade or other well-placed explosive charge, or did nothing but render the device inert. Most military equipment is operated by people on or near the equipment that at least have some chance of destroying sensitive material. The destruction doesn't need to be an explosive per se but something that can produce an electrical charge that fries the circuits and a good old fashion fall from 50,000ft would destroy the optics of whatever cameras it was carrying. It doesn't really matter if they can reassemble the general structure of the aircraft as long as the subtleties of the technology are destroyed. TheCrownsOwn - 2011-12-12 9:38 AM It will be interesting to see in the upcoming months/couple of years what Israel does, and how the US reacts to the inevitable confrontation if Iran continues with a nuclear weapons program. It is all happening now, just not publicly. Stuxnet, was just the most public of these attacks and Israel has been assassinating nuclear scientists in Tehran. I wonder if they would ever go as far as they did in 1981 with the attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor. |
2011-12-13 6:49 AM in reply to: #3934039 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: US Spy drone captured What do you think of Dick Cheney's comment that we should have gone in and destroyed it? Sounds easy and a good way to put blame on Obama for failure to act. I am certain the reality of doing so would be much more difficult, both from military and political perspectives. |
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