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2012-02-10 6:03 PM
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JBC - 2012-02-10 4:45 PM Thanks for the helpful pictures)). Just one more question: do you leave your transition bag at transition or put it back in the car? Pictures seem to show transition bags at transition :-?

Keep the transition bag at the transition. 

Here's another take on why the bucket is a bad idea (coming in part from my approach to backpacking) - the bigger the bag/bucket, the more stuff you think about putting in it. The more stuff you have, the more stuff you can forget, and get screwed up by.

Keep it simple. What are the essentials? You are going to be wearing your race clothing and your timing chip from the moment you get up and dressed so they don't get forgotten.  You'll need to have your swim cap and googles, and maybe wetsuit. You'll need to bring your helmet and bike shoes. You'll need to have running shoes and a race number somewhere (belt or on your shirt). I also like having socks because at the BOP, the time it takes to put them on <<<< the time lost from blisters.

Beyond that, maybe a water bottle or two; and for anything longer than a sprint, maybe a gel or blocks. But those stay on the bike, so no need to use the transition bag to carry them.

If you have a bucket, you'll want to use the bucket. And pretty soon, you have a change of clothes for after the race, a spare towel, and your mess is spilling all over the transition area.

 

^^^ NO!

You ever checked to see how much you can actually get in a bucket?  It's a heck of alot less than you can get in one of the suitcases you all like to haul around.  My bucket takes up alot less room than a transition bag.  From the car to T1:

Helmet and sunglasses on my head

Bike shoes clipped on my pedals

Running shoes on my feet

Water bottles on bike

Race belt, goggles, towel, wetsuit in bucket hanging from bike cockpit......done, let's race!

And yep, I like to sit before the race, and I sit on my bucket.  Once the race starts, your bag takes up alot more room then my bucket.  Once again, bags are for girls.....men use buckets. Cool



2012-02-10 6:13 PM
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JBC - 2012-02-10 4:58 PM
gearboy - 2012-02-10 3:17 PM

JBC - 2012-02-10 4:45 PM Thanks for the helpful pictures)). Just one more question: do you leave your transition bag at transition or put it back in the car? Pictures seem to show transition bags at transition :-?

Keep the transition bag at the transition. 

Sorry for the newb question, but why do you keep the transition bag at transition? Do you put stuff (wetsuit, bike helmet) in it as you do transitions?

Seems like it's just one more thing to clutter up your spot.

 

If you take it back to your vehicle, you'll eventually have to go retrieve it again to load up. Sometimes the parking area isn't exactly close to transition. 

2012-02-10 6:19 PM
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tri.bob - 2012-02-10 6:03 PM

ok, newb question,  I was planning on wearing a pair of compression shorts under my wet suit and then just throw on bike/run shorts over them,  this way I won't be mooning any other competitors (and it's not a pretty sight).

Is there a reason to not take this approach?

 

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As a rule, it's best not to wear anything under the bike shorts. The seams/material in the compression shorts could chafe, especially when wet. I'm guessing you don't have tri shorts yet. I understand your modesty concerns, thank you for thinking of that. For shorter distances you could probably get away with it before chafing sets in. But no way I'd want to try that for anything where you'd be on the bike for a while. Good luck.



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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-02-10 8:13 AM

bhc - 2012-02-10 9:00 AM Buckets can also come in very handy if the PortaPottie line is too long!!!

Only noobs stand in line, all the old timers know where the best shrubs are!

Or where the lake is.  That's why they call it a warm up

2012-02-10 6:41 PM
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tri.bob - 2012-02-10 4:03 PM

ok, newb question,  I was planning on wearing a pair of compression shorts under my wet suit and then just throw on bike/run shorts over them,  this way I won't be mooning any other competitors (and it's not a pretty sight).

Buy tri shorts or a tri suit and wear that.

BTW, public nudity has been an instant DQ at every triathlon I've done.

2012-02-10 7:19 PM
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So you wear the try shorts and top under the wetsuit....correct?  I noticed that some try tops have a pocket on the back of them.....I immediately thought that would suck if you were not wearing a wetsuit over it, as it would balloon up with water and cause drag.  Am I over thinking it?


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Left Brain - 2012-02-10 2:47 PM

I bet that thing slows you down by....what?.0563 seconds over a 40K?  Yep.....TOTAL noob deal there.

 

Did I say anything about speed?  Just trying to add some humor.  And it is called the dork disk....

2012-02-10 7:42 PM
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NeverEnough - 2012-02-10 8:19 PM So you wear the try shorts and top under the wetsuit....correct?  I noticed that some try tops have a pocket on the back of them.....I immediately thought that would suck if you were not wearing a wetsuit over it, as it would balloon up with water and cause drag.  Am I over thinking it?

 

Yes. wear them under the wetsuit.  The drag in the water on tri tops from the pockets isn't really that much either.  Most tri tops are very very form fitting and thus the pockets dont really catch water.

2012-02-10 7:43 PM
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GoodStash - 2012-02-10 10:13 AM I don't care what ya'll think...I'm keeping the bucket, dammit!! After all the stickers I've put on it to make it look like I'm not a newb, I can't just put it in a dark closet now. I guess anyone who is laughing at me behind my back better make sure that I'm not passing them on the course...Because when I do, who looks like the newb then???. Cool

What he SAID! My bro GoodStash showed me the way of the bucket at the JCC Firecracker last July. I've used it ever since.

2012-02-11 3:29 AM
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JBC - 2012-02-10 6:58 PM

gearboy - 2012-02-10 3:17 PM

JBC - 2012-02-10 4:45 PM Thanks for the helpful pictures)). Just one more question: do you leave your transition bag at transition or put it back in the car? Pictures seem to show transition bags at transition :-?

Keep the transition bag at the transition. 

Sorry for the newb question, but why do you keep the transition bag at transition? Do you put stuff (wetsuit, bike helmet) in it as you do transitions?

Seems like it's just one more thing to clutter up your spot.



You don't leave your bag at your spot unless it's an odd transition area. Almost all of them you'll see transition bags between the bike racks, just pile yours on, or along the edges of the transition area near the fence.




2012-02-11 8:41 AM
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i'm a no for the bucket. I can compress my tri bag down to pretty much flat and have it under my wheel hanging off of the ground (or close to it). I've had people put their bucket down for a "seat" right in front of my space when changing so they can conveniently reach over and get their stuff vs. placing it in front of their own space. I'm sorry, but in a race i'm not going to be polite and if you get hit by my bike/tire/pedal.. well not my issue.. also have had to knock them out of the way when re-racking my bike because they were carelessly replaced outside of their area and into mine.. sorry, again i'm in a hurry..

keep the stuff in your area to a min.. i fit everything i need on a towel that is no bigger than 12"x18".

good luck and you'll see what works for you and will then modify as time goes on.

2012-02-11 9:44 AM
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I use an old backpack. I keep thinking one of these days I'll splurge and buy a tri-specific pack but so far it's just your average large el cheapo daypack. I can hang stuff like the helmet off of it hand it has 3 compartments plus a smaller one in the front for keys, USAT card, etc.

I like the pack because I can't imagine how else I'd get the bike and all my stuff from parking to transition. Sometimes it's fairly far, and walking the bike while carrying a bucket seems like a lot of trouble. So much easier to ride the bike, plus then there is no chance of forgetting your helmet or shoes. Also it's a good idea to check out the bike to make sure everything is good prior to the race.

I'm not a very experienced triathlete but what I've learned is keep it as simple as possible.



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I am all about the bucket.  It gives me a place to sit while I put on my socks and sneakers.  I did not realize it made me look like a dork.  Oh well.
2012-02-11 9:52 AM
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Becca4277 - 2012-02-11 10:45 AM

I am all about the bucket.  It gives me a place to sit while I put on my socks and sneakers.  I did not realize it made me look like a dork.  Oh well.


I really don't care about the dork factor, after all we're wearing spandex in public.

What annoys the snot out of me is how much room you take up whilst sitting on your bucket. If you use it and stay within, ENTIRELY within, your own transition space I couldn't care less if you're using a bucket or not. That rarely happens. What happens is the person has the bucket beside the towel. Already the person's taking up twice the side to side space and is already well into the next transition area user's space. Now the legs have to go somewhere, the back somewhere else etc to put on the socks and shoes.

Again, if you do all this within the space of say 18" X 18" not one problem on this Earth. But seriously, take your bucket and transition stuff into your living room and check out how much room you're actually taking up.

Keep your transition space needs between the ends of your handlebars, no matter what you do, please.

2012-02-11 9:59 AM
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OK I need to ask. If you need to sit, why not sit on the grass in front of your bike?


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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-02-11 9:59 AM OK I need to ask. If you need to sit, why not sit on the grass in front of your bike?

I've been in parking lots for a number of transitions, so asphalt. Also had some gravel. So that might explain it some.

Now having said that, if you need the bucket to sit, then you very likely paced the last section too hard. Also need to work on putting on shoes.

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Left Brain - 2012-02-10 6:03 PM 

^^^ NO!

You ever checked to see how much you can actually get in a bucket?  It's a heck of alot less than you can get in one of the suitcases you all like to haul around.  My bucket takes up alot less room than a transition bag.  

Yours might very well be smaller, but many are rather large. I've been able to put my full transition bag in some. Some have even extended this to the giant Rubbermaid containers for garage or attic storage. I hope we can agree that is way too large.

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DanielG - 2012-02-11 3:29 AM
JBC - 2012-02-10 6:58 PM
gearboy - 2012-02-10 3:17 PM

JBC - 2012-02-10 4:45 PM Thanks for the helpful pictures)). Just one more question: do you leave your transition bag at transition or put it back in the car? Pictures seem to show transition bags at transition :-?

Keep the transition bag at the transition. 

Sorry for the newb question, but why do you keep the transition bag at transition? Do you put stuff (wetsuit, bike helmet) in it as you do transitions?

Seems like it's just one more thing to clutter up your spot.

You don't leave your bag at your spot unless it's an odd transition area. Almost all of them you'll see transition bags between the bike racks, just pile yours on, or along the edges of the transition area near the fence.

This is why I bring a laundry bag to carry stuff in.  Fold it a couple times and it becomes my towel to lay everything on.  No clutter at all.

BTW, I haven't seen it in this thread and it is worth mentioning.  If someone brings in a glass bottle to transition I'll personally snitch and get them DQed.  That and nudity are the only instant DQs that I'm aware of.  And, frankly, I'd rather see some old wrinkly naked person than skewer the bottom of my foot on broken glass.



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sand101 - 2012-02-11 10:19 AM 

BTW, I haven't seen it in this thread and it is worth mentioning.  If someone brings in a glass bottle to transition I'll personally snitch and get them DQed.  That and nudity are the only instant DQs that I'm aware of.  Frankly, I'd rather see some old wrinkly naked person than skewer the bottom of my foot on broken glass.

Er, how big is this glass bottle they're trying to change in?

But yes, I agree with you.



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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-02-11 7:59 AM OK I need to ask. If you need to sit, why not sit on the grass in front of your bike?

 

Not only have I never participated in a tri with a grassy transition, but I've never SEEN a tri with a grassy transition...Of course, I live in AZ where our "lawn" is all rock.



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dbrawders - 2012-02-11 8:41 AM

i'm not going to be polite and if you get hit by my bike/tire/pedal.. well not my issue.. also have had to knock them out of the way when re-racking my bike

HA!!! Laughing

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dbrawders - 2012-02-11 8:41 AM

i'm not going to be polite and if you get hit by my bike/tire/pedal.. well not my issue.. also have had to knock them out of the way when re-racking my bike

HA!!! Laughing

FYI, this is the buckets.. i'm not knocking people out of the way... yet.. :D

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dbrawders - 2012-02-11 12:04 PM
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dbrawders - 2012-02-11 8:41 AM

i'm not going to be polite and if you get hit by my bike/tire/pedal.. well not my issue.. also have had to knock them out of the way when re-racking my bike

HA!!! Laughing

FYI, this is the buckets.. i'm not knocking people out of the way... yet.. :D

 

That's good to know.....for a minute I thought you were one of those elusive triathlete ninjas who show up on the internet but can never be found at a race. Laughing

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I think the point here is that you want to be a neighborly triathlete.  At most tris I've done, there is barely enough space for everyone to fit their bikes on the rack.  Now imagine if everyone brought a bucket (or a big bag) or racked their bike by the handlebars.  There simply would not be enough room for everyone.

 

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