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2008-06-07 9:18 PM

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Subject: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3

Hello,

I am starting to worry about nutrition for my first 70.3, i was wondering if any of you learned on your own or did you have to go to a nutritionist? Could you give me an example of your nutrition if you were to do a 70.3?

Thanks in advance

Maubueno



2008-06-08 6:27 AM
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Subject: RE: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3
When is your 70.3? Do you have some time to experiment? I think most of us work out our nutrition by trial and error....

I think the main key is to get a handle on how many calories you will need to take in. I went for about 200 - 250 calories per hour on the bike, and somewhat less on the run. I didn't really have any scientific method for figuring 200 - 250 calories per hour, but had seen that suggested as a good starting point. I tried it in my training, and it seemed to work well for me, so I stuck with it.

How you get your calories is really a matter of personal preference. Some people prefer to get them strictly in liquid form, others like to mix in some solids. For me, it took some experimentation to land on a mix that seemed to work well for me. I ended up carrying 2 bottles on the bike that held about 350 calories each (2 scoops Hammer Perpetuem, 1 scoop Cytomax). I also had water in an aerobottle. Since my liquid mix was pretty calorie dense, I followed sips of that with water from the aerobottle. I alternated that liquid mix with Clif Shot Bloks on the bike. On the run, I switched to gels and water, and occasionally took some of the sports drink offered on the course.

This mix of nutrition worked well for me, but it might not work well for you. Unfortunately, you really do have to do a little bit of trial and error here to figure out if something is going to work. I have found, for example, that gatorade and accelerade are not good sports drinks for me. I find gels to be a pain to deal with on the bike, so I sought out something that, for me, is easier to consume and gets me the calories I need.

Lots of folks like Infinit nutrition for longer distance events. Infinit allows you to customize your mix for stuff like calories, protein content, electrolyte content, etc. I've never tried it, but I know lots of folks swear by it (it is a bit pricey, though...)

You can find some good general information on nutritional requirements for endurance athletes on Hammer's web-site.

ETA: Looks like your half is in October - that should give you PLENTY of time to experiment and find somethig that works for you. Good luck!

Edited by jsnowash 2008-06-08 6:54 AM
2008-06-08 8:24 AM
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Here is an example of what I will be doing for my 70.3 in August. Like the previous poster said, its all about trial and error. What works for me, may not work for you.

T1: 1 Powergel with 1x caffeine = 110 calories

Bike: 1 Aerodrink with Infinit, 1 water bottle with Infinit, 2 Powergel = 820 calories
I finish my Aerodrink (20 ounces) in the first 45 minutes, then dump the contents of my water bottle (20 ounces) into my Aerodrink. I will then throw out the water bottle at the next aid station and grab a new water bottle with just water. I will dump that into my Aerodrink once I am finished with my second round of Infinit. I will then consume my 2 Powergels in the last 45 minutes or so of the race with water. I will try to get down a total of 60-70 ounces of water on the bike....this will greatly depend on the weather that day.

T2: Nothing

Run: I will run with a Fuel Belt with 4 water bottles. 3 water bottles will have Infinit (1/3 of a serving in each bottle). I will also use 3 Powergels with 1x caffeine. All this equals about 630 calories and gives me a total of about 24 ounces of fluid. I will grab more water from the aid stations if I need it.

I am a true believer in the Infinit. It is so easy to digest and tastes ok when its warm. I highly recommend it.
2008-06-08 2:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3
I did my first HIM last year in Macon, GA and I went in with almost no nutrition plan and suffered a little bit for it. I started out with enough hydration, but had planned on grabbing 2 water bottles at the 30 mile mark, but buzzed through the hand off and was only able to grab 1 bottle. I ran out of water until the 3rd hand off. I thought I'd be able to eat bits of a Clif bar during the bike course, but was unable to choke it down. During the run I had to stop and drink at every aid station. It was a very hot and hilly course and I went home with a splitting headache from dehydration and stress.
I did the same race again this year and took 15 minutes off my overall time with improvements in everything from the swim to the run. My nutrition plan was still hit or miss, but better than before. My bike time was 7:30 better than last year and I even stopped at the 30 mile hand off to make sure I got two bottles of water. I had Gatorade Endurnace, water, Endurolytes and Powerbar gels during the bike. I probably went a little too hard on the bike because both my lower quads cramped up about 1/4 mile into the run. I was able to walk them out and start running again, but again I stopped at every aid station and drank Heed, water and/or flat Coke and popped Endurolytes like they were popcorn. Even with the cramps I finished the run 2 minutes better than last year and I did not go home with a headache (just my wife)!
I hope to do a full IM next year so I definitely need to do a better job with my nutrition both before and during the race.
2008-06-08 3:48 PM
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2008-06-09 8:07 AM
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Subject: RE: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3

I am practicing the same right now for my 1st HIM in August.  It really is an individual thing though.  I have trying to eat and drink anything I can get my hands on to see what works and what doesn't.  Mostly to see what doesn't.  I'd rather know that now then during my race.  Here are some things that didn't work so far.....Anything dry like fig newtons, a peanut butter sandwich, or pretzels.  I just can't choke them down. 

I also found that I don't wait until I am hungry to eat either.  It is too late at that point.  So I keep on top of hydration and fuel as best as I can.

As everyone has said, try it in training first.  good luck! 



2008-06-09 12:01 PM
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I stole this from a pro's blog

800 mg per sodium/ per hour on the bike.   

.9 liter water per hour

I am planning a water bottle an hour, with 2 scoops of perpetuem (231 mg sodium) in each bottle ; at least two endurolytes an hour (80mg total) ; two Powerbar gels (400 mg total).  I am hoping to bike sub 2:40-ish, so I am figuring not much eating or drinking the first 20 minutes -- implement approx 711 mg sodium per hour nutrition plan for next hour two hours -- little to no nutrition last 20 minutes in preparation to run. 

I'm finding for me, less is usually more though.  Granted I've only done a whopping 1 Sprint and 2 Olympics.  The powerbar gels with caffeine seem to really do the trick though.  I handle caffeine very well and it helps me to maintain a steady effort when I fade, and they have 200 mg of sodium, so when I take too many (like I did during a 1/2 marathon in March) I can taste the salt build up in my mouth and I know I don't need another one for a good while.  Also, the powerbar gels are very liquidy and go down super easy.    

2008-06-09 12:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3

Sound advice particularly for 70.3 races which are usually overstocked w/ provisions.

Fuel Belts (as someone else mentioned) are over the top for 70.3 races (and most others

jsnowash - 2008-06-08 7:27 AM

On the run, I switched to gels and water, and occasionally took some of the sports drink offered on the course.

2008-06-10 3:52 AM
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Subject: RE: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3
did my first HIM last week and I went with this:

SWIM:
1x GU with caffeine 15 min before the race.

T1 haul A$$ no nutrition

BIKE:
1xGU at the start of the bike.
1x powerbar at the 1hr mark on the bike.
1xGU 2hr mark on bike and a small piece of powerbar.
1xGU at the end of the bike 2:55

T2 none

RUN:
H2O and Hammer Heed to drink when needed.
took two 1/2 bananas total one on each lap of a 2 lap course.
1 GU at the half way point with H2O

It worked well for me and just as a side note My stomch is not too problematic.
2008-06-10 5:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3
General rule I've been told is take in 1/2 the calories you burn on the bike, and 1/3 on the run.  For me, I keep that around 300-350 per hour on the bike, 200 on the run.  I use Infinit on the bike, GU and water with occasional sports drink on the run.  Sodium - that's going vary wildly.  Obviously in a 90 degree, 90% humidity race, you'll want more....cooler, drier temps less.   Carry salt tabs/endurolytes to add more. 
2008-06-10 5:40 AM
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If you have an ipod, I would strongly suggest that you get these pod casts. They are the best source of real and accurate information. They are all on iTunes:

Dave Scott "Endurance & Nutrition" series. There are 4. Even though they are from 2006, they are packed full of information about pre-, during, and post nutrition.

Tri Talk episode 55, 53, 49, 45

I would not take the advice of any one. Race nutrition is very individual. The only way to dial it in is to try different combos in workouts and races (other than your A race).

Good luck! 

 



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2008-06-10 7:52 AM
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Subject: RE: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3

I agree that nutrition/hydration/sodium consumption is highly individualized.

I am working on my IM nutrition and have 3 different plans as sometimes what our stomachs can handle and what tastes okay changes in a race.

A. Main plan Gatorade Endurance/Water and gel every 60', 50 calories every 20' and 40' with Lava Salt caps depending on weather.

B All liquid plan Gatorade Endurance/Water and gel every 40' minutes, Lava Salts depending on weather

C Plain water with  food every 15'  gels every 45', other ~50 cal opposite with Lava salt each time

By practicing the different options I can easily move from one plan to another if it doesn't work.

I have hydration goal, calorie goal and sodium goals I work towards and it is a bit complicated to do the math on the go so having it worked out ahead of time I know what I can do and how I tolerate it. 

2008-06-10 8:36 AM
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rollinbones - 2008-06-09 12:21 PM

Sound advice particularly for 70.3 races which are usually overstocked w/ provisions.

Fuel Belts (as someone else mentioned) are over the top for 70.3 races (and most others

jsnowash - 2008-06-08 7:27 AM

On the run, I switched to gels and water, and occasionally took some of the sports drink offered on the course.



I am assuming you are referring to my post about fuel belts. Curious as to why say they are over the top for a 70.3? They work great for me because it allows me to carry my Infinit with me. I don't know how anyone can say someone's nutrition during a race is right or wrong if it works for that person. I think the point of the original post was to get a general idea of what people use.
2008-06-10 10:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3
I had an interesting experience this weekend at Eagleman. I had planned and practiced everything (or so I thought) with solid food and Infinit. Part way through the bike I thought I was going to gag if I had any more sweet drink and my Infinit is mixed with less flavor. I knew I had to drink, but after an uncrustable, a cliff bar and shot blocks, it was just all too sweet.
I had Endurolytes and decided on ice water and saltines, pretzels, etc. on the run. Turns out I had too much salt and ended up going to the medical tent. Gotta figure out plan B.
Thanks.
2008-06-10 11:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3

IMO you don't need a nutritionist (unless you have a medical condition) and in general athletes over think this. Just practice during your training different sports drinks/water with gels/bars and see what works for you. IMO the simpler the better...

I posted this in another thread

Nutrition for race day: breakfast - 1 bagel, 1 ensure and around 24-32 oz of G-ade all 2-3 hrs before race. 15-20 min before race - red bull and 1 gel. During race: around 24-28 oz of G-ade and 1 gel per hour during the bike and a cup of G-ade/water and coke every aid station during the run (sometimes 1 gel at the beginning of the run and another one half way if heat/conditions are tough)

2008-06-10 12:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3

Great advice here!  I'm a liquid and gel gal.  I have to have a routine figured out before a race so I do it automatically during the race.

Before swim-1 hammer gel

T1-couple of swallows of Cytomax in extra bottle that gets left at transition

Bike-Begin with water in aero bottle and 1 regular bottle and Cytomax in 2 saddle mount bottles.  Sip water or Cytomax every 15 minutes.  1 hammer gel every 30 minutes.  I set my watch to beep every 15 minutes so I don't forget.

T2-maybe swallow some Cytomax

Run-Liquid at every aid station.  I don't carry more than 2 gels.

Nutrition is very personal.  You have plenty of time to figure out what works for you.  Have fun!



2008-06-12 8:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Learning my nutrition for a 70.3

Hey folks.  I agree with the majority of the previous postings here.  The summary is really as follows:

 -250-300 calories per hour is the standard average nutrition goal (liquid, solid or gel)

-Hydration is just as important, with an hourly goal of at least 16-20 oz per hour (incremental to whatever liquid nutrition is consumed)

-Personal preference rules!  Trial and error are vital in this arena.

 More particular details can be found here http://www.gotrimax.com/TriMaxRaceDayNutrition.htm

 Hope this helps...

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